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Does you still have a fender tag or build sheet for your Charger ?

Started by 70 sublime, August 04, 2020, 06:47:50 PM

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Do you still have a fender tag or build sheet for your Charger ?

Still have the original fender tag
Still have original build sheet
Still have original fender tag and build sheet
Have nothing but the VIN on the dash

70 sublime

There was a thread a little while ago about post your build date for your 69 Charger
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,138337.0.html

I would have thought there would have been more replies

Then I got to thinking I wonder how many truly know very much about the original parts of their cars and if they had a fender tag or build sheet to go by

So lets find out  :2thumbs:
next project 70 Charger FJ5 green

darbgnik

Still have the build sheet, not that it matters on this formerly 318 car.....
Brad

1970 Charger 500. Born a 318, AC, console auto, now 440/727
Build thread:  http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,127291.0.html

cdr

LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

70sixpkrt

I have the original fender tag, original motor, original 18 spline trans, original Dana 60 rear end but found another cars broadcast sheet under my back seat.


440-6pk, 4-speed, Dana 60 with 3:54  
13.01 @107.93 (street tires spinning all the way down)

70 sublime

No it does not really matter but it does add a little to the fun
I only have a fender tag on my 69 and nothing for my 70 project ( vin says it was just a 318 car )
Kind of nice to be able to think when your car's birthday might have been  :2thumbs:
Mine is coming up on the 7th this month
next project 70 Charger FJ5 green

cdr

LINK TO MY STORY http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/11/16/ride-shares-charlie-keel-battles-cancer-ms-to-build-brilliant-1968-dodge-charger/  
                                                                                           
68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
Charger55 by Charlie Keel, on Flickr

INTMD8

Mine was originally a 440. Have the original engine but no tag
69 Charger. 438ci Gen2 hemi. Flex fuel. Holley HP efi. 595rwhp 475rwtq

HANDM

Mine was a 69 SE, light gold poly, tan top and interior, no tag or sheet, had the leather seats, woodgrain dash, no power windows, AC, console. The car had already had crappy body work and paint, top removed, holes filled and a wasted interior, the tan door pads were the only thing saveable. 

I had a wrecked triple black that had a perfect interior so I swapped it in and drove it for a while.
I didn't realize it was an SE till 20 years after I bought it and for lack of a better word "restored" it, did some research and found the telltale lack of "charger" roof emblem holes but the two small SE ones instead.

So basically it's now just a regular old 69 383-2 Charger  ::)

duckmanreno

I have the fender tag but never found the build sheet.

Pretty decent 383 4 speed AC car. Bought it in 1983.
22 Ford F-150 5.0 super cab FX4 hunting rig and tow vehicle
92 Toyota Tercel.  Commute Car
69 Charger 383 4 speed project car.
73 Boston Whaler Montauk

A bad day hunting beats a good day at work!

Just 6T9 CHGR

Chris' '69 Charger R/T


fastmark

I have the original tag, sheet, matching motor and trans for my 70 RT car. The back seat had probably never been out. A sheet for a 383 four barrel Charger was in the bottom cushion and in the upper hanging  by one corner. But I bought my car from the original owners Son.  It was parked in the same garage all it's life.

kent

So Mark, do you still have the 383 build sheet? Curious minds want to know.

While I'm here I might as well add I have a different build sheet for my car and the original owner misplaced the tags. Story of my life. :brickwall:
Kent

Back N Black


timmycharger

Yep, still have the original fender tag and some pieces of my build sheet.   Nothing special from the factory so not worried about it. F3 triple green 318 auto ..

Dano 1

Fender tag and build sheet for me, my car isn't exactly 'special' but I love having all the documentation.

1969 Charger 383 2bbl, R4 red, White hat special project

70 sublime

Quote from: Dano 1 on August 05, 2020, 01:47:13 PM
Fender tag and build sheet for me, my car isn't exactly 'special' but I love having all the documentation.



Did you have a good look at your build sheet ?

I had one stuck in my back seat also but when I took it out the VIN was off by one number and it was for the car before mine
Same colours and same motor
next project 70 Charger FJ5 green

smithenhiven

Both of my 70s have the fender tag, neither have a sheet; I'm holding out hope that the sheet(s) might surface one day.

Dano 1

Quote from: 70 sublime on August 05, 2020, 02:46:58 PM
Quote from: Dano 1 on August 05, 2020, 01:47:13 PM
Fender tag and build sheet for me, my car isn't exactly 'special' but I love having all the documentation.



Did you have a good look at your build sheet ?

I had one stuck in my back seat also but when I took it out the VIN was off by one number and it was for the car before mine
Same colours and same motor

Yep I pulled out the build sheet and the sequence number matches the fender tag, dash vin and core support/trunk lip numbers  :coolgleamA:
1969 Charger 383 2bbl, R4 red, White hat special project

kevink

I have the build sheet, original bill of sale, fender tag, the motor matches, the trans matches as well as all the body stamping. I would hope this increases the value for someone looking for exactly that.

70 sublime

A little surprised at the results so far
I would have figured with 50 year old cars that about only half would still have their factory statistics some how
But by the way it is looking right now 90% still know how their cars looked originally and only 10% have lost their info along the way
24 out of 27 know
3 out of 27 have nothing
next project 70 Charger FJ5 green

Kern Dog

When I bought my first Charger in March 2000, the seller gave me a file folder with 2 broadcast sheets in it. I didn't look too close. Just a few weeks ago I took them out and saw that they were NOT for my car...and they were for 2 different cars! They were built identically though, as if they were fleet cars or for a rental company. One had a VIN a few digits off from mine.

tan top

Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

Challenger340

Yes, we were lucky enough that our '69 R/T SE has both the Fender Tag and 'pristine' condition Broadcast Sheet looks like it just came off the printer, no rips, no tears, no fading.  
The rear seat had never been removed.... ever, and I can feel by hand what I believe another/2nd Broadcast Sheet taped above the Glovebox but just left it there. Yes, numbers matching throughout, UN-restored, UN-rebuilt, all body stampings and most all parts are still original as well(new Mufflers/Brakes/Hoses etc)

Between the two, documents the Charger exactly the same as when new, nothing altered or changed..... which we already knew anyways from historical/chronological work orders/invoices going back many decades, etc.,  but makes everything provable 'as is' same-same to this day.

Put a photocopy back under the rear seat, and documented the original


Only wimps wear Bowties !

Challenger340

Quote from: 70 sublime on August 05, 2020, 10:28:05 PM
A little surprised at the results so far
I would have figured with 50 year old cars that about only half would still have their factory statistics some how
But by the way it is looking right now 90% still know how their cars looked originally and only 10% have lost their info along the way
24 out of 27 know
3 out of 27 have nothing

I think maybe a disproportional number that still have the stuff/equity in the thread are responding..... whereas those that do not ? are merely moving on disinterested because they don't ?

Not scientific.... but the overwhelming majority I know of 'personally' do NOT have B-Sheets and only about 50-60% with original Fender Tags in varying conditions.
Only wimps wear Bowties !

Challenger340

Quote from: kevink on August 05, 2020, 03:57:32 PM
I have the build sheet, original bill of sale, fender tag, the motor matches, the trans matches as well as all the body stamping. I would hope this increases the value for someone looking for exactly that.

Yes it does and will when the time comes.... if that time ever does come ?  
just say'in here....
Very hard to part with these Cars when they are in fine condition and can be enjoyed ? and WTF is the point in putting money in the Bank at DONUT interest rates ?
Only wimps wear Bowties !

qwick68

I have the fender tag, build sheet and original title, as well as the original spare and keys.
68 Charger LL-1 Turquoise

RiverRaider

No build sheet, back seat was changed when interior went to black before I owned it.  Still has fender tag. U code, super track pack car.
My first Charger was a Stock Car.

MoparMike68

Quote from: Challenger340 on August 06, 2020, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: kevink on August 05, 2020, 03:57:32 PM
I have the build sheet, original bill of sale, fender tag, the motor matches, the trans matches as well as all the body stamping. I would hope this increases the value for someone looking for exactly that.

Yes it does and will when the time comes.... if that time ever does come ?  
just say'in here....
Very hard to part with these Cars when they are in fine condition and can be enjoyed ? and WTF is the point in putting money in the Bank at DONUT interest rates ?
I like donuts 🍩  :drool5:

boys3rt

Still have original fender tag, Build sheet and window sticker from original owner. Sadly numbers matching engine and auto transmission was removed to be put into a lighter car for racing. Gave up looking.

Chargerguy74

Quote from: Challenger340 on August 06, 2020, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: kevink on August 05, 2020, 03:57:32 PM
I have the build sheet, original bill of sale, fender tag, the motor matches, the trans matches as well as all the body stamping. I would hope this increases the value for someone looking for exactly that.

Yes it does and will when the time comes.... if that time ever does come ?  
just say'in here....
Very hard to part with these Cars when they are in fine condition and can be enjoyed ? and WTF is the point in putting money in the Bank at DONUT interest rates ?

There is no point. Not when the interest rates are lower than inflation. You're just sitting there losing purchasing power.

And on the topic. All of my cars have the fender tags. Not all of them have build sheets. Some have 2 sheets, some have one, one has a partial, and the rest have none.
WANTED: NOS or excellent condition 72-74 4 speed shifter boot for bench or centre armrest car, part number 3467755. It's a rubber boot that looks like it's sewn up leather.

WANTED: My original 440 blocks. Serial # 2A188182 and 3A100002

fastmark

Quote from: kent on August 05, 2020, 11:23:19 AM
So Mark, do you still have the 383 build sheet? Curious minds want to know.

While I'm here I might as well add I have a different build sheet for my car and the original owner misplaced the tags. Story of my life. :brickwall:

Sorry for the late reply. I don't get on here much. Yes, I still have the sheet. I think I gave the number to the 70 charger registry. It is XP29N0G208777. It's F4 green with F8 green interior. Actually, I should post the other sheets I have. You never know who's looking. I have XP29L0G155464. I have one more but the vin number did not survive the coil on the seat. It an XH29G0G2????? I have the build date and von. It's 703 and 038101. It's a fy4 with black interior. 

fastmark

I guess I could include several more cars that I have had in my possession. One is actually still mine but sold.  It's a 69 RT. I removed two build sheets from it. One in the back seat and one under the front carpet. It's matching motor and also has the fender tag. I owned a  69 b7 blue one. It had a sheet and a tag. I owned a 68 RT. It has a tag and sheet and matching transmission (4 speed). My bud has a green 68 RT 4 speed that has a tag but the sheet in the back seat  was from a 318 car. I think I have only owned three cars in my lifetime of buying that were missing a fender tag. Unfortunately, they were real good cars. A 65 hemi car, a 69 hemi RR and a 70 AAR.

davidcam69

I have two build sheets. The were taped to the inside of glove box. My Dad ordered this car new.

Both sheets are exactly the same except the sequence number and vehicle order number. What's

that about? I think I use to know but have forgotten.

Kern Dog

I have 2 build sheets for other 1970 Chargers that came in a folder with my car.
If you are missing yours for a 1970 Charger, send me a PM. There will be no charge if I have it. I think it is a cool thing to reunite a person with their sheet.

moparstuart

Fender Tag ,  Broadcast sheet  ,  Original Owners manual  ,  Warranty Card  ,  Dealers Name , Original Owners Name , Certicard  , Just about Everything but the Paperwork and the Window sticker  .    Who else has other documentation goodies ?
GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE

Bob T

Yeah, really lucked in on my recent 74 Charger purchase, still has the build sheet - all pretty much there, a bit tattered and just pasted to an A4 sheet along with the original owner's sale docket and service warranty book, and the build tag still screwed in place too.
Was parked up for 30 years from 1979 so most of everything is still original too.
Old Dog, Old Tricks.

BSB67

For my 67 440 car, I have what I would call everything.  Fender tag, build sheet, certicard,window sticker and just about everything else mentioned.  I have all of the original parts with a couple of minor exceptions.  The car has not been restored, so, while it sure shows it age and is far from perfect, it is a nice example of originality, and people seem to be interested in that.

Obviously, the original drivetrain is in storage.


500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

BSB67

Quote from: Challenger340 on August 06, 2020, 10:49:43 AM
Quote from: 70 sublime on August 05, 2020, 10:28:05 PM
A little surprised at the results so far
I would have figured with 50 year old cars that about only half would still have their factory statistics some how
But by the way it is looking right now 90% still know how their cars looked originally and only 10% have lost their info along the way
24 out of 27 know
3 out of 27 have nothing

I think maybe a disproportional number that still have the stuff/equity in the thread are responding..... whereas those that do not ? are merely moving on disinterested because they don't ?

Not scientific.... but the overwhelming majority I know of 'personally' do NOT have B-Sheets and only about 50-60% with original Fender Tags in varying conditions.

This is what I think as well.  This is a fun thread and glad you put it up, but would not consider it a correct statistical reflection of what is actually out there.

500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

BSB67

Having the correct build sheet in a car seems like a 50/50 deal. 

Does anyone know the exact path that the build sheet took relative to the car during assembly?  It would seem that either the "build sheet" in the final car is not really what follows the car down the assy line, or that the car and build sheet must get seperated and re-united at final assembly.  The non-matching build sheet in my GTS is a few days offest from the actual build date.

500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

oldgold69

I found my build sheet attached to the back of the glove box liner.  Any one else?  Also all the dealer paper work.

69_500

I have original fender tag, window sticker, broadcast sheet, engine, and trans for my 69 Hemi Charger 500.


no "build sheets" for these cars. Its a broadcast sheet,

BSB67

Quote from: 69_500 on August 27, 2020, 04:43:19 PM
I have original fender tag, window sticker, broadcast sheet, engine, and trans for my 69 Hemi Charger 500.


no "build sheets" for these cars. Its a broadcast sheet,

All of the manufacturers had their own name for what is generically and generally called the buildsheet

500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

DAY CLONA

Quote from: BSB67 on August 27, 2020, 09:35:51 AM
Having the correct build sheet in a car seems like a 50/50 deal.  

Does anyone know the exact path that the build sheet took relative to the car during assembly?  It would seem that either the "build sheet" in the final car is not really what follows the car down the assy line, or that the car and build sheet must get seperated and re-united at final assembly.  The non-matching build sheet in my GTS is a few days offest from the actual build date.


Several buildsheets of various layouts were created and attached to the vehicle as well as distributed to the various points along the assy line, the most common sheet find for most are the rear seat sheets and sometimes front seat, as well as a host of various other areas of the vehicle... the rear seat sheet is basically production line trash as are all the other buildsheets found in a vehicle, the trim shop had only several minutes to select the frames, mat'l type/style of cover, then build/upholster the seat(s) after "scanning" the buildsheet that was sequenced for the chassis on the line, so that the upholsters were not swimming/working in a sea of discarded paper, it was easier to just throw the now useless sheet under the upholstery, the seats were now racked for the line workers for the upcoming batch of vehicles, they were positioned on the rack so they could be applied in the order that the vehicles were sequenced on the line, if a set of seats were racked wrong in picking/placing order by the trim shop for delivery to the line, that's how your vehicle would end up with a prior/later vehicle sequenced non matching buildsheet....


Mike

Kern Dog

I'll bet that I am NOT the only one that noticed that you stated BUILDSHEET numerous times....probably to annoy that other guy !

68RT440

We have the fender tag but no build sheet for our '68 R/T. It's got the matching numbers engine with a replaced 727 from a '69 New Yorker and the original 8 3/4 rear end. Black car, green vinyl top, green interior and white bumblebee stripe.
1968 Charger R/T, matching numbers 440/727, black with green top and interior, currently getting restored by me

70 sublime

Quote from: 68RT440 on August 28, 2020, 08:29:22 AM
We have the fender tag but no build sheet for our '68 R/T. It's got the matching numbers engine with a replaced 727 from a '69 New Yorker and the original 8 3/4 rear end. Black car, green vinyl top, green interior and white bumblebee stripe.

Do you have a picture to share of your car ?
next project 70 Charger FJ5 green

BSB67

Quote from: DAY CLONA on August 28, 2020, 01:48:12 AM
Quote from: BSB67 on August 27, 2020, 09:35:51 AM
Having the correct build sheet in a car seems like a 50/50 deal.  

Does anyone know the exact path that the build sheet took relative to the car during assembly?  It would seem that either the "build sheet" in the final car is not really what follows the car down the assy line, or that the car and build sheet must get seperated and re-united at final assembly.  The non-matching build sheet in my GTS is a few days offest from the actual build date.


Several buildsheets of various layouts were created and attached to the vehicle as well as distributed to the various points along the assy line, the most common sheet find for most are the rear seat sheets and sometimes front seat, as well as a host of various other areas of the vehicle... the rear seat sheet is basically production line trash as are all the other buildsheets found in a vehicle, the trim shop had only several minutes to select the frames, mat'l type/style of cover, then build/upholster the seat(s) after "scanning" the buildsheet that was sequenced for the chassis on the line, so that the upholsters were not swimming/working in a sea of discarded paper, it was easier to just throw the now useless sheet under the upholstery, the seats were now racked for the line workers for the upcoming batch of vehicles, they were positioned on the rack so they could be applied in the order that the vehicles were sequenced on the line, if a set of seats were racked wrong in picking/placing order by the trim shop for delivery to the line, that's how your vehicle would end up with a prior/later vehicle sequenced non matching buildsheet....


Mike

Now that you say it, it is obvious, if I understand correctly. 

The guy that is building/upholstering the seat puts his build sheet in the seat.  The guy assemblying the car looks at his build sheet and says I need black seats for this one, and grabs the next black seat off the rack.  Just knowing that, makes it clear that it would be easy to get the sequencing screwed up.  In fact, getting the sequencing right probably required thinking and extra work by someone.

Thanks


500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

BSB67

Quote from: Kern Dog on August 28, 2020, 02:47:20 AM
I'll bet that I am NOT the only one that noticed that you stated BUILDSHEET numerous times....

It did make me chuckle a little

500" NA, Eddy head, pump gas, exhaust manifold with 2 1/2 exhaust with tailpipes
4150 lbs with driver, 3.23 gear, stock converter
11.68 @ 120.2 mph

Mopar Nut

"Dear God, my prayer for 2024 is a fat bank account and a thin body. Please don't mix these up like you did the last ten years."

68RT440

Quote from: 70 sublime on August 28, 2020, 08:44:38 AM
Quote from: 68RT440 on August 28, 2020, 08:29:22 AM
We have the fender tag but no build sheet for our '68 R/T. It's got the matching numbers engine with a replaced 727 from a '69 New Yorker and the original 8 3/4 rear end. Black car, green vinyl top, green interior and white bumblebee stripe.

Do you have a picture to share of your car ?

None of it in the original combination. The son of the original owner dyed the top black and changed the rear stripe once the car became his. Car is now a bare shell that I'm about to start bodywork on. I'm going back to the original color combination as I think it's pretty unique.
1968 Charger R/T, matching numbers 440/727, black with green top and interior, currently getting restored by me

70 sublime

Quote from: 68RT440 on August 28, 2020, 09:29:02 PM
Quote from: 70 sublime on August 28, 2020, 08:44:38 AM
Quote from: 68RT440 on August 28, 2020, 08:29:22 AM
We have the fender tag but no build sheet for our '68 R/T. It's got the matching numbers engine with a replaced 727 from a '69 New Yorker and the original 8 3/4 rear end. Black car, green vinyl top, green interior and white bumblebee stripe.

Do you have a picture to share of your car ?

None of it in the original combination. The son of the original owner dyed the top black and changed the rear stripe once the car became his. Car is now a bare shell that I'm about to start bodywork on. I'm going back to the original color combination as I think it's pretty unique.

That is why I wanted to see a picture as thought it was different than normally see  :2thumbs:
next project 70 Charger FJ5 green

bakerhillpins

Was fortunate enough to have both with my car.

Quote from: Challenger340 on August 06, 2020, 10:49:43 AM
I think maybe a disproportional number that still have the stuff/equity in the thread are responding..... whereas those that do not ? are merely moving on disinterested because they don't ?

I'd have to agree with you. I think in some way's it's become less about being able to know something about the car and a cool piece of history and it's sorta club/clique-ish because is primarily perceived as a way to increase value of a car.  I have a hand in that since I'm willing to pay more for that type of documentation.
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cp-chargr/6

2 broadcast sheets (given to me by prev owner) and the fender tag (in the car), all match. Remarkable, as the guy/s putting the interior had to hide a bottle of whiskey in the passenger's side rear quarter, under the rear window, and cover it with the interior panel!  :lol: :lol: (Mopar's Collector Guide, Sep 2008, pp 150-154). Restored to the broadcast sheet indications, and still +95% original...

Here's the fender tag, a lot of empty real state, not a lot of options  :lol:. You might see something unusual on it, but then if you check my username...

Kern Dog


Puzbie

I have the original fender tag, build sheet, Hand written sales document (original owners name removed), numbers matching engine, trans, and body numbers.

Original B3 SE 383 with Factory Cruise, Rear Defrost, and Towing Package as some of the rarer options...