XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet

[6bblgt]

  terrible ad & lots wrong with the car  *****  but it is a 4-speed 4.10 DAYTONA  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Dodge-Daytona/203051814240

a former thread

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,42071.0.html

correct VIN stamped block?

FAKE B'cast sheet  

[birdsandbees]

Nice, but yah.... anyone got some paper and tea and a stamp set? Black nose jack in a 'Tona. Gorgeous car, no need to make shit up. Why the broadcast sheet backed up by a $300 invoice from LMC in Milton Ontario?

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[rob-dirt]

  Wow my car is 400563 that one is 2 car,s after Mine  And its a stick also and chance 400564 is out their ? mabey they made a couple in a row ?

[nascarxx29]

It  do seems like a pattern on groups of daytona vin and colors but random luck

[Aero426]

The seats look like they are ready to explode.

[odcics2]

The seats look like they are ready to explode.

[odcics2]

A buddy of mine has some original paperwork for this car.
He bought it wrecked in the mid 1970s.
Sold it to a guy in the Dakotas.
I'm trying to get him to join the forum and
post up the many pics he has of the car from
back in the day.

[taxspeaker]

Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?

[held1823]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxHnY5Kjg_o&feature=youtu.be

[taxspeaker]

Ebay listing removed and the website for Redline does not show it in inventory or as a sold car. The video (thanks Ernie) says several times all numbers matching.

[held1823]

it's there on the sold page, bob

https://www.redlinemusclecars.com/svdp/16425658/Used-1969-Dodge-Daytona-for-sale-in-Wilson-OK-73463

[6bblgt]

Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?

anyone have a 1969 HAMTRAMCK stamped engine or transmission with the open top "4"?

[mr. hemi]

Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?

anyone have a 1969 HAMTRAMCK stamped engine or transmission with the open top "4"?

Mine is on the lift right now, I will check.

[BS27ROB]

Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?

Bob

If you look at the picture of the trans VIN stamp, even though it's not a great picture, you can see the engine VIN has different 5s and 0s. They should be the same.

Sy

[Arnie Cunningham]

Did 69 model year cars get the full VIN and not just the last 8 characters?  Or was that not universal?

[6bblgt]

the 1969 model year started with full VINs being stamped on the engine & transmission, by late-January '69 that changed to last 8-digits ONLY

Charger 500s = full VIN
Daytona = last 8-digits of VIN

[johntpr]

Its sad that people get taken when cars are misrepresented.

[taxspeaker]

Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?

Bob

If you look at the picture of the trans VIN stamp, even though it's not a great picture, you can see the engine VIN has different 5s and 0s. They should be the same.

Sy

I see that now, thanks.  Man you guys are sharp-eyed! Even so, I think it is a magnificent color combo.

[Birdflu]

Since we're on the subject of bogus numbers...how can you guys tell the broadcast sheet is fake? Iv'e seen enough stamped engine blocks to know that it's not right, but apparently I don't have a keen eye when it comes to a bogus broadcast sheet. 

[6bblgt]

the font is all wrong
there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off   

[odcics2]

A back in the day photo...

[70 sublime]

A back in the day photo...

Call that a day 2 picture ?   

[RSI700VIPER]

I wonder how much of the original car still remains.  I would love to own an A4 4-speed Daytona but as others have posted, better to have stated original motor is lost than to fake it.   

[Birdflu]

A back in the day photo...

Call that a day 2 picture ?   

Could be day 1 if someone got squirrelly coming out of the factory! 

[Birdflu]

the font is all wrong
there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off   

Thanks for the info!

[odcics2]

A back in the day photo...

Call that a day 2 picture ?   

You can see some of the silver under the light blue, where the nose is bent.

Closer to day 2,500+   

[held1823]

the font is all wrong
there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off  

the seller's own photos show the date differences

G15 on the fender tag, but not on the most likely earlier report

[6bblgt]

I thought the tag looked off as well but didn't catch that the earlier decode was different

my above comment was in regard to the FAKE b'cast sheet 

[cdr]

the font is all wrong
there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off   

So all Daytona's have the vin door sticker like a 1970 model car has ?

[6bblgt]

the font is all wrong
there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off   

So all Daytona's have the vin door sticker like a 1970 model car has ?

the vast majority, YES - "ALL" seems to always find an exception

[cdr]

the font is all wrong
there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off   

So all Daytona's have the vin door sticker like a 1970 model car has ?

the vast majority, YES - "ALL" seems to always find an exception

Thank you,,

[Sgt Superbird]

I have a dumb question... I'm assuming Galen's report would have had a picture of the fender tag. (I'm assuming one was present, since he decoded it.) Why would someone ADD a code? Is it to show the tag is a repop? I guess I'm missing the logic.  

[70 sublime]

I had to look it up

G15   69-71   Tinted Windshield

[6bblgt]

Galen would decode anything you'd pay him to decode (picture/hand written/anything) & not mention problems/issues
             an evaluation was another service & additional $$

other than the VIN tag & apparent "9B400565" stamped 4-speed - nothing above authentically describes/details the Daytona (except maybe the ~35 year old picture)

[Sgt Superbird]

Yes, stupid me... That was only a fender tag decoding and not an eval/inspection report. 

[mr. hemi]

Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?

anyone have a 1969 HAMTRAMCK stamped engine or transmission with the open top "4"?

Mine is on the lift right now, I will check.

Checked my Hamtramck Charger R/T. 9B308847 the "4" is closed at the top. I have owned this since 1980 and known of it since 1976. So fairly confident the stamps are original.

[6bblgt]

A back in the day photo...

I asked one of the aero gurus about this car:

"A4 4-speed car w/black stripe.  Car was a real junk pile. Extremely rusty.  Was in Sioux Falls SD in the '70s"

[hemigeno]

So all Daytona's have the vin door sticker like a 1970 model car has ?

the vast majority, YES - "ALL" seems to always find an exception

I've found just the opposite... most Daytonas did not have a door tag originally, based on observing the pattern of unrestored cars.  Many restorers / owners add repop tags to cars which didn't have them, thinking they were removed at some point.  From what I've seen, the presence or absence of the door tag is not tied to the VIN either.

[odcics2]

A back in the day photo...

I asked one of the aero gurus about this car:

"A4 4-speed car w/black stripe.  Car was a real junk pile. Extremely rusty.  Was in Sioux Falls SD in the '70s"

Sioux Falls...  Jives with my buddy's remembrance of selling it to a "guy in the Dakotas" back in '76.