69 Charger 500 , on Nicks Garage

[Montreal Wing Car]

@aerolith
I think there will be undercoating also in the wheelwells

Ben

[tan top]

 looks like a strong 440           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrAqg42yrwo

[aerolith]

A very strong 440 indeed!

The link has stopped working, but I did view it before.

I seem to remember the stocker '1970 GTX' 440ci engine being built with similar a 'bottom end', 9th November 2020. (Kowalski build)

But the 'ported' iron heads and stock intake only made 390bhp, whereas.

This 'trickflow' headed beastie is over 140 bhp more with an AVS carb...(and 69 aircleaner)

Surely the heads can't be that much better with just an ali dual plane?




I think we are back to the FACT, that the stock 440ci intake and iron exhaust manifolds are POO!

This has been demonstrated MANY times by 'Nick' and others...

[aerolith]

This is 440ci engine is much better than I first thought!

This will be one fine 69 500...

Original owner and 52/3 years on, wow...

[aerolith]

Only one drawback I can see?

They should have done what Stealth did...

Make 'em look stock on the ''OUTSIDE''...

Shiny aluminum heads on a stockish car will look a bit odd methinks???

[aerolith]

All that is old is new again...

[aerolith]

Some will say ''you are going off track'' with this thread?

But I say ''if you are going on track, you deffo need these heads''...

[tan top]

A very strong 440 indeed!

The link has stopped working, but I did view it before.

I seem to remember the stocker '1970 GTX' 440ci engine being built with similar a 'bottom end', 9th November 2020. (Kowalski build)

But the 'ported' iron heads and stock intake only made 390bhp, whereas.

This 'trickflow' headed beastie is over 140 bhp more with an AVS carb...(and 69 aircleaner)

Surely the heads can't be that much better with just an ali dual plane?




I think we are back to the FACT, that the stock 440ci intake and iron exhaust manifolds are POO!

This has been demonstrated MANY times by 'Nick' and others...

fixed the link       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrAqg42yrwo

Only one drawback I can see?

They should have done what Stealth did...

Make 'em look stock on the ''OUTSIDE''...

Shiny aluminum heads on a stockish car will look a bit odd methinks???

yes agreed ,

thats one of the things i do / did not like with the  aftermarket alumimum heads ,  visual shape !!   440 source got it right with the  stealth heads !
i was weighing up getting a pair of aftermarket heads long before the stealth heads came out , & was thinking about  taking a die grinder & a da with 40 / 80 grit & smoothing out the sharp edges do a bit of exterior reshaping before painting! as they look to space age ! ok for a race car but .....  
maybe i'm crazy    

cant wait / looking forward to seeing more dyno results  & Nicks  tuning with this C500's original engine  

[tan top]

latest video from Nicks   

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mFkmJEf78c

[aerolith]

Many thanx Tank Top!

I see that Nick openly confesses his Kowalski build 440ci is only 400hp, compared to an easy 500hp plus with this build...

The 50 year old 'Holley 780cfm' is a strange choice for a new modern build?

Just bung a new modern Holley on there and junk that 50 year old rubbish...

It ran better with the 750AVS...



COOLIO...

[aerolith]

Herein lies the problem for us Brits.

I could spend a small fortune on the engine, trans, axle and other running gear and stuff...

What are the chances of me ever driving my Charger 500?

Too much traffic and too expensive for GAS!

[Fisher]

I Know Eugene, and have been helping him with this build to some degree. Eugene has a vision of what he wants his car to be and what his HP goals are. Yes He wants to keep the car as close to original as possible. He also told me a term i have not heard in years, this is a "Day Two Car" Day one you buy it, day Two you take it apart and modify it. Like every other hotrodder in the 60's, the idea was to have a fast daily driver that you could tolerate on a daily basis.

As for the carb, Nick used the thumper carb which is an extremely refined carb with adjustable air bleeds and polished venturies. They are close to $900.00 here in Canada. Eugene bought that 780 vacuum secondary carb new in 1971, and has had it ever since. It is an era correct carb for this application. It will work fine for what he needs, and will deliver more than enough CFM according to what the motor used for cfm on the dyno. The 780 can be used at the track, then swapped with the factory AVS carb for car shows and freeway driving?

A few simple bolt ons are not that big a deal for this car. Eugene has all the factory parts to make the car the way he bought it new in Sept 1968.

At the end of the day this is my friends car, and i will respect all his decisions in this build. He knows what he has and will not destroy the car in anyway. I am as excited as he is to see it finished.

[aerolith]

Well said Fisher!

I always thought that the Carter AVS was 'just an OK carb'...

But the dyno has shown it to be as good if not better than the 'old Holley'...

''DAY TWO'' is a great expression, but I would say ''YEAR TWO'' myself.

[Fisher]

After a 4 year build of my 71 Duster, i was very careful when i drove it as well. I would go out early mornings or after 10 pm when all the idiots were off the streets. Lots of "New Canadians" here who were used to driving in foreign countries, that should not have a licence. I have an empty garage right now, so just waiting for the right B Body to come along?

[69_500]

Well said Fisher!

I always thought that the Carter AVS was 'just an OK carb'...
But the dyno has shown it to be as good if not better than the 'old Holley'...

''DAY TWO'' is a great expression, but I would say ''YEAR TWO'' myself.
I do know a guy who bought a 70 Hemi Cuda, and raced it the same weekend he bought it 'NEW'.

I never bought a 'new car' myself, never had the money, but I just love 'old stuff' better.
'30 to 40% devaluation' just driving it off the forecourt always got me feeling a little sick...

Plenty of folks have (had) got cars they have raced and wrecked, bet they is feeling sorry now...

That is why I would never drive my Charger 500 'on the street' or a 'drag strip', too many idiots out there for my liking...

Why on earth have a 500 if your not ever going to drive it on the street? I gladly hoped in my HEMI 500 here in Indiana and drove all night down to Atlanta Georgia, and then over to Talladega for the reunion. Round trip was 1,610 miles on the road. If something happens to it, something happens to it, but I for one will always drive my cars. No reason to have them if I wasn't going to drive it.

[aerolith]

Well said 69_500!

You are indeed a 'Lucky Guy' to be able to drive a hemi car so far and so wantedly!

My London based Moparmate, can't drive his 'Jeep Cherokee' anymore its been banned, too polluting.

But he can drive his 1966 512cubic inch, Dodge 'when and where' he likes through the 20 MPH Zones lol...

''GO FIGURE''

[aerolith]

I could imagine doing that distance in a Charger...

YOU ARE A STAR 69_500

[aerolith]

Drive 'em whilst you can...

Greta Thunberg is coming for YOU/ME and everyone in a CAR/AEROPLANE/SHIP etc!!!

But not sailing ships or folks who don't drive their Charger_500's, I just cuddle mine...




Why have 'TWO PINS' when you can have 'FOUR'...

Even I draw the line @ 'painted bumpers'...

[69_500]

Drive 'em whilst you can...

Greta Thunberg is coming for YOU/ME and everyone in a CAR/AEROPLANE/SHIP etc!!!

But not sailing ships or folks who don't drive their Charger_500's, I just cuddle mine...




Why have 'TWO PINS' when you can have 'FOUR'...

Even I draw the line @ 'painted bumpers'...

The blue 500 in your last post is still owned by the original owner.

I know that your car isn't restored or running yet, I was making a rhetorical comment about why have these old cars if you don't intend to drive them. I will admit I LOVE looking at them. But they  are way more fun to drive than to just look at.

[tan top]

 new video of the C500   

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9Ovps2Td30

[Fisher]

I really like that Y2 Yellow paint.

[aerolith]

WoW, that's a lot of YELLOW!

Hope he is gonna put a VINYL roof on there lol...

[aerolith]

There was a famous UK 69 Charger called 'LFN 7', F8 green with SE leather interior!

It won lots of street races and even won a street car 'shoot-out' called 'GARY'S PICNIC'  at Santa Pod raceway.

Think she used to run 11 seconds in the Quarter which was very fast back in the 80's.
It was a New York State car and suffered from 'rust issues' and was kept on the street in the UK.

Anyways, she was restored in the late 80's by a friend of mine and then by me in the early 90's.
I drove her for a few years, but the rust 'came back' with a vengence!

So she went back to the restorer for another 'repaint' in 1994 and then back to New York State lol...

Non Aero 500 with a 70 rear trim...

Great car, but it cost me a small fortune to maintain and run...
Sadly don't have any pictures so I found this as a replacement (makes me laugh)

Non Aero 500 with vinyl and a 70 rear trim...

I always thought that the 70 Charger should NEVER have been a 500 model?

An historical name for the Coronet range and special on a 69_500...

[aerolith]

Eugene's 500 and Nick are gonna put the much underrated Aero's 'poor relation' back on the MAP!!!

This build is 'mind-blowing' already and its still only in paint...

Showtime will be famous for that 'standard of bodywork' indeed.

Keep up the good work everyone involved and such a shame its Nick's 'last hurrah' in restoland...

[hemi-hampton]

"Showtime will be famous for that 'standard of bodywork' indeed."

Not sure I agree with that.