Charger prices

[jefferson]

Jee is it just me. Or have charger prices just gone up again?
I cant find anything decent under 60 to 100k.
And now even 60 seems to be buying a car needing work

Wtf. 
Been checking ebay . Craiglist and fb.

[Homerr]

The more speculative types may be trying to get out of the market right now, and wanting top dollar.

[marshallfry01]

Man you aren't kidding on the prices. I've been looking for one and it's definitely not a buyers market right now. It's hard to fathom spending as much on a 50 year old car that you could buy a small home for.

[70B5Cuda]

Interesting. I would have expected actual sales prices to have come down a bit over the last 3 months. That may still be the case since we usually don't know what stuff has sold for.

[1968Fever]

If you notice most Chargers for sale are by dealers, which is why asking is high.  There are very few private owned cars for sale.  I have been looking at this market for years now and this is the worst time I have ever seen for buying.  The idea that Charger prices would be better deals right now is false for a number of reasons.

[jefferson]

I was looking all last night online.searching more so for drivers
Cheapest i could find was 50k for a 68 on craiglist.  Then went 60 to 70k and then over 100k.
30k isnt even getting anything decent anymore lol.
Yea seems a lot of chargers being sold thru dealers. 
Prices are steep as.
Spewing i missed the opportunity last year to buy a 69 driver in another state from me for 55k AUD. works out about 38 to 40k USD.
They seem almost double that now.

[Mike DC]

    
Economic conditions for the poor/middle Americans haven't really even hit bottom yet.  There may be more deals in several more months.  

The average owner of a classic Charger doesn't work at a low-level job.  But they may have family who are affected by the mess.  

[RiverRaider]

More buyers than sellers right now with the lack of car shows and swap meets, just less cars are on the market than normal.
There are a few deals here and there but most prices this spring/summer that I have seen are up. 

[Kern Dog]

Crazy stuff.
What would this be worth to a buyer?
1970 with fresh trunk floor. 383 is getting rebuilt. Interior is trashed, needs body and paint too. In 2 months this will be a running and driving complete car.
I plan to keep it but what would one have to pay to buy it? Is it a $15000 car ??

[Kern Dog]

Completely solid underbody, rust around rear window has been repaired.
As of now, I have $7000 in it including the purchase price. I'll need another $1500 to $2000 to get it running so I'm still under $10,000.

[70B5Cuda]

If it runs and drives I'd say $15-17k.

[Kern Dog]

That is bonkers.  I do believe it though, thanks.

[AKcharger]

Interesting. I would have expected actual sales prices to have come down a bit over the last 3 months. That may still be the case since we usually don't know what stuff has sold for.

Same here...but there's a big difference in asking and what's being sold

[stripedelete]

By the time it's over, we will have printed about $6 trillion.   In 3-5 years we are not going to know what anything is worth.   
Note:  This a macroeconomic observation (or maybe microeconomic - I didn't do well in either) not a political statement.

[RiverRaider]

If it runs and drives I'd say $15-17k.

I would agree $15-17 is about right.  I have seen two local cars go for 3500 and 5000 this spring that needed sliders and wheel bars to load them.
For you guys that are not in the rust belt wheel bars bolt to the lug studs or weld to the wheels to keep that car from pulling apart when being moved and
sliders are basically ski for the stuck wheels.

[chargermick]

Two months ago I saw a 69 with rust from front to rear and side to side for $13,000. I thought he was fishing for idiot. Maybe I was wrong?

[darbgnik]

If it runs and drives I'd say $15-17k.

Yup on the high side of that range. Especially with no primer on it, so you can see what you're buying.

[Kern Dog]

I'm not going to spray primer on it. Nope. I'm going to get it running and reliable and drive it ratty for awhile. When I feel like it, I'll jump in with both feet, pull the car apart and do the body and paint.

[Bad B-rad]

I have not been watching prices at all over last 4 years, but Hagerty told me, sight unseen, a running and driving road worthy, 1969 model year,Charger is valued at $45,000.
I understand that's their agreed value coverage, not what they selling for.
But that's what they valued mine at when I put insurance on in April.
Mine is just a regular 69 Charger.(#'s 383 4bbl, auto, PS/PB/A/C)
I thought mine was worth $25-30K.(not that I would sell it for that,LOL)
They also told me to have it revaluated, when I finish the work I am doing.
After reading these posts, I started to try and find some decent cars, and they do seem to be CRAZY.
Very glad I got mine when I did, LOL!!!

[ht4spd307]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Dodge-Charger-/383531522471?hash=item594c4299a7%3Ag%3Ay08AAOSw0Yxer2QK&nma=true&si=wcDdX752L4q4g0XkSxjl2EeZ4Ak%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Here's a cheap one

[70 sublime]

I have not been watching prices at all over last 4 years, but Hagerty told me, sight unseen, a running and driving road worthy, 1969 model year,Charger is valued at $45,000.
I understand that's their agreed value coverage, not what they selling for.
But that's what they valued mine at when I put insurance on in April.
Mine is just a regular 69 Charger.(#'s 383 4bbl, auto, PS/PB/A/C)
I thought mine was worth $25-30K.(not that I would sell it for that,LOL)
They also told me to have it revaluated, when I finish the work I am doing.
After reading these posts, I started to try and find some decent cars, and they do seem to be CRAZY.
Very glad I got mine when I did, LOL!!!

That is exactly what they told me after I started driving this spring
I only had $25000 on my car as I have a lot less than that invested in it but was thinking on bumping it up to $30 000
I got my letter from Hagerty saying mine should be worth $43500 so I bumped it up to that

I keep watching prices on stuff just to see if i ever sold it or lost it what it would cost to replace in the same shape and condition
I always get asked " Is it for sale ? " or " How much for your Charger ?"
Used to think $30 000 would be my answer but now think $40 000 for me to find another to get it this far along

[Bad B-rad]

Is that real???
That car sold for $25,000 BUCKS???
I am not trying to be funny, but are there even $20,000 worth of parts there?
I understand they do not make 1969 Chargers anymore, but seller said frame is in terrible shape.
Anyone who has restored or repaired cars before, will tell you, sometimes its not what you see, its the stuff you cant see, that will kill you.
Once you cut rusted panels off, VERY RARELY do you find gold hidden beneath. Most of the time rusted out panels are attached to rusted out metal behind that!!!!

[Bad B-rad]

70Sublime, so I guess we are lucky!!
My car has crash damage to driver 1/4(smashed in the early70's) but no rust.
They told be once I repair the 1/4, I must up the value.

I am blown away about that $25,000. sale of that car.

[Rolling_Thunder]

Crazy stuff.
What would this be worth to a buyer?
1970 with fresh trunk floor. 383 is getting rebuilt. Interior is trashed, needs body and paint too. In 2 months this will be a running and driving complete car.
I plan to keep it but what would one have to pay to buy it? Is it a $15000 car ??

I'd give you $15K for that -

Down here in socal projects run $15-30K

[70gtx440dana]

OMG....$25K for the Flordia rust bucket. That is insane.

[tan top]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Dodge-Charger-/383531522471?hash=item594c4299a7%3Ag%3Ay08AAOSw0Yxer2QK&nma=true&si=wcDdX752L4q4g0XkSxjl2EeZ4Ak%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Here's a cheap one

i'm pretty sure this charger has been advertised on ebay  a few times over the years ! even looks like the same spot ! seriously  has this car really sold this time for 25k ....         

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[smithenhiven]

Holy cow, if that ebay auction 69 actually went for $25k and was a legit sale, then that makes the 69 R/T I found less than a year ago for $4k that Cbrestorations bought look like a steal.  Hey Chris maybe that car wasnt such a bad deal after all, lol.

[Bad B-rad]

OMG....$25K for the Flordia rust bucket. That is insane.

OK so it's not just me.
Question I have is, because it was sold, someone thought it WAS worth that much.
I wonder if they plan on restoring it, or if it is to be parted out?
I noticed the 68 seats, but I don't see how parting it out could be profitable at that selling price.

[Bad B-rad]

OK I just found it has been relisted, and currently is at $3500.
I COULD NOT believe the $25,000 selling price that ebay claimed


https://www.ebay.com/itm/383550372408?ViewItem=&vxp=mtr&item=383550372408

[Mike DC]

  
2nd-gens are more popular in decent restorable condition than in finished condition.  It's no place to look for sense & reason.  

If a zombie virus killed the entire human race, aliens would land on earth and start bidding the 2nd-gen projects back up to stupid numbers.  

[tan top]

 
2nd-gens are more popular in decent restorable condition than in finished condition.  It's no place to look for sense & reason.  

If a zombie virus killed the entire human race, aliens would land on earth and start bidding the 2nd-gen projects back up to stupid numbers.  

haha  true !    ive given up trying to figure it out    crazy

[70B5Cuda]

OMG....$25K for the Flordia rust bucket. That is insane.

That $25K Florida auction is as fake as they come. That thing has been through ebay several times in the last year. The dead give away is the number of bids. The car isn't even a $7500 car. And I always keep a finger on the pulse of the market.

[Mopar Nut]

The seller is bidding on his own listing under a different user ID to up the bids.

[darbgnik]

OK I just found it has been relisted, and currently is at $3500.
I COULD NOT believe the $25,000 selling price that ebay claimed


https://www.ebay.com/itm/383550372408?ViewItem=&vxp=mtr&item=383550372408

If you took the window trim off, the whole car would fall into pieces.......

[Cooter]

While I get many who own classic cars can't even figure out, errr won't a wrench, for those of us who can, with AMD, one could theretically build a nice 2nd gen. charger off say a B-body from another make like Belvedere. all sheet metal. Hell, they're building them off Crown vics right now.

No reason to pay the asking prices because we could build them.

[Bad B-rad]

I bet a 2nd gen Charger body(like the new Mustang and Camero/Challenger bodies) is right around the corner.

I am not sure how I feel about that, but I have looked threw the AMD catalog many late nights, dreaming of building a car from all the parts they now make, like the Stephens Daytona, from chop/cut/rebuild.
With that AMD frame table, and the spot welder they have, looks like a very fun/expensive model kit

[RiverRaider]

one could theretically build a nice 2nd gen. charger off say a B-body from another make like Belvedere.

That is already being done. 

[Bad B-rad]

one could theretically build a nice 2nd gen. charger off say a B-body from another make like Belvedere.

That is already being done. 

I know this is NOT what u are referring to(about using a B-body to make a Charger) but it is kinda cool.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=n3u88rjegneg14k25p1o03qno2&action=dlattach;topic=128395.0;attach=273063;image


ALSO


http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=n3u88rjegneg14k25p1o03qno2&action=dlattach;topic=128395.0;attach=273068;image

[Mike DC]

The repro industry has never accepted that 68-70 Chargers are more popular than E-bodies.  I don't know why but they just won't get that through their heads.  We won't get a repro 68-70 body shell until they figure it out. 

[70B5Cuda]

The repro industry has never accepted that 68-70 Chargers are more popular than E-bodies.  I don't know why but they just won't get that through their heads.  We won't get a repro 68-70 body shell until they figure it out. 

This is true. I'm not sure why they haven't figured it out.

[jessejames]

Prices have been crazy for a long time! There is a near perfect 69 R/T on forbbodiesonly for 70K. There is also a 69 R/T on there with no documentation for 49k.

[twenty mike mike]

Jee is it just me. Or have charger prices just gone up again?
I cant find anything decent under 60 to 100k.
And now even 60 seems to be buying a car needing work

Wtf. 
Been checking ebay . Craiglist and fb.

60K? I'll take that.

[Bronzedodge]

The repro industry has never accepted that 68-70 Chargers are more popular than E-bodies.  I don't know why but they just won't get that through their heads.  We won't get a repro 68-70 body shell until they figure it out. 

Agreed.  Given the choice, between another Charger and an E body, I'd take the Charger. 

Unless it's a spec-to-me E body.  Which would actually be an AAR Cuda with aluminum W2 heads/a good 5 speed/4.30 and modern suspension.  And AC.   In orange.  And the #'s original parts in a crate.

[Challenger340]

Prices are definitely climbing,
IMO, lots to do with money chasing assets to try and hold relative value...... because with the amount of money being printed out of thin air ?  the current money itself will be worthless or greatly reduced in future purchasing power subject to NO 'premium' for holding over TIME (interest rate)

I mean look at the disconnect on stock valuations Versus earnings/debt levels, etc. ? And NO... it's NOT 'futures" potential as outlooks/PMI's etc., all suck balls !

Think of it this way for a moment.....
what is the point in holding "Money" or "CASH"...... when there is absolutely NO 'premium' for doing so Versus 'TIME" (interest rate)
You got it....
there is NO point holding the CASH because there is NO 'premium' for doing so.... meaning the Fiat Currency as a means of future exchange in valuation has LOST it's viability and is now functionally no more than a "COUPON" for immediate redemption before expiry of current buying power into the future.(reduced)

If you don't understand ?
figure it out !

Because the rich people have already figured it out and are buying 'assets' disproportional to'.... and far beyond it being 'a good time to buy'

[70 sublime]

This one just listed close to me

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/markham-york-region/1968-dodge-charger-r-t-mopar/1507768186

Selling for a friend from his collection. He is a paint and body man who built this car for himself a couple years ago but wants to get down to one car. He restored this true numbers matching 68 R/T himself. Car has new body and paint and not a spec of rust anywhere. It retains the original drive train which is a 440 4 gear with a Dana rear end and runs and sounds amazing. Chrome is new, both bumpers and some trim was replaced. All gauges work as they should and the original interior is in great shape no rips or tears. Would take to long to mention all the new parts that were put on the car. This is a beautiful car worthy of adding to any ones collection. The only thing that was changed was the colour. The odometer shows 64000 which is believed to be correct as the car was sitting for some time before the restoration. Car has fender tag as well as the build sheet. If asking price is met it will come with a complete new front grille and parts to convert to disk brakes as well as some odds and ends. Asking $115,000...NO OFFERS UNDER $100,000

I just had to ask what the original colour was before they painted it black
Reply I got back said it was burnt orange

[Mike DC]

This one just listed close to me

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/markham-york-region/1968-dodge-charger-r-t-mopar/1507768186

Selling for a friend from his collection. He is a paint and body man who built this car for himself a couple years ago but wants to get down to one car. He restored this true numbers matching 68 R/T himself. Car has new body and paint and not a spec of rust anywhere. It retains the original drive train which is a 440 4 gear with a Dana rear end and runs and sounds amazing. Chrome is new, both bumpers and some trim was replaced. All gauges work as they should and the original interior is in great shape no rips or tears. Would take to long to mention all the new parts that were put on the car. This is a beautiful car worthy of adding to any ones collection. The only thing that was changed was the colour. The odometer shows 64000 which is believed to be correct as the car was sitting for some time before the restoration. Car has fender tag as well as the build sheet. If asking price is met it will come with a complete new front grille and parts to convert to disk brakes as well as some odds and ends. Asking $115,000...NO OFFERS UNDER $100,000

I just had to ask what the original colour was before they painted it black
Reply I got back said it was burnt orange

He's asking $100k and it has yellowed gauge faces & coilover rear shocks.   

[tan top]

This one just listed close to me

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/markham-york-region/1968-dodge-charger-r-t-mopar/1507768186

Selling for a friend from his collection. He is a paint and body man who built this car for himself a couple years ago but wants to get down to one car. He restored this true numbers matching 68 R/T himself. Car has new body and paint and not a spec of rust anywhere. It retains the original drive train which is a 440 4 gear with a Dana rear end and runs and sounds amazing. Chrome is new, both bumpers and some trim was replaced. All gauges work as they should and the original interior is in great shape no rips or tears. Would take to long to mention all the new parts that were put on the car. This is a beautiful car worthy of adding to any ones collection. The only thing that was changed was the colour. The odometer shows 64000 which is believed to be correct as the car was sitting for some time before the restoration. Car has fender tag as well as the build sheet. If asking price is met it will come with a complete new front grille and parts to convert to disk brakes as well as some odds and ends. Asking $115,000...NO OFFERS UNDER $100,000

I just had to ask what the original colour was before they painted it black
Reply I got back said it was burnt orange

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[70 sublime]

Remember this is in Canadian money so what is that like $75000 US 

[Mike DC]

 
Okay.  $75k for a real '68 RT (and a real 4spd?) . . . that's getting better.

[Bad B-rad]

 
Okay.  $75k for a real '68 RT (and a real 4spd?) . . . that's getting better.

Car looks pretty nice.
So the coils on the shocks are because the leaf springs are sagging?
And why is the 440 MAGNUM turquoise, I thought they were orange in 68?
I am not being an ass, I am just asking, he has a nice car.

[Kern Dog]

There were turquoise 440s in the '68 Coronet R/T.
I thought that in some cases, engine color depended on it being A/C or not.

[jefferson]

As far as i know 440s were blue. Turqoise in 68
And orange in 69.
My 440 68 is turquoise.

[tan top]

 68 L code  440ci high performance -  375 HP   was / is  turquoise, with  or with out AC

69 L code  440ci high performance -  375 HP      was / is  orange,  with or with out AC

there was a 69  none high performance -  350 HP  - 440ci thats turquoise , with or with out AC - C body only

i think it was  the 68/69 383ci - 330hp was fitted in the road runner / superbee   that  was turquoise   when AC was ordered & a auto transmission , no AC in 68/69 a roadrunner/ superbee  & a four speed manual trans  got the  335 hp orange  383 !.  the 335 horse 383ci was not offered in a 68 / 69 charger !
i await to be corrected on any of the 383 info ! i keep forgetting the story on this 

[Homerr]

For 68/69/70 on Road Runner the 335hp 383 was the base engine, no 330hp option.

On 68/69/70 Charger the 330hp motor was the top 383, no 335hp option.  At least with auto/AC/330hp the 383 was turquoise, I had one.

[Mike DC]

Car looks pretty nice.
So the coils on the shocks are because the leaf springs are sagging?
And why is the 440 MAGNUM turquoise, I thought they were orange in 68?
I am not being an ass, I am just asking, he has a nice car.

Turquoise was right for '68 IIRC. And for '69s with air conditioning too.  

But the factory didn't normally let you combine AC with a 440/4spd.  The AC compressors couldn't take revving as hard as the motors.  People with 4spd cars were known to bust the compressors under warranty.  A few 440/4spd cars have been found with factory AC but not many.  


The shock coilovers are for boosting the rear spring rate.  Maybe for sagged springs, or maybe just to increase the rate of healthy springs.  But either way it's a not good to use them on a Mopar.  The rear shock crossmember (a unibody beam on the frame above the axle) was not really built strong enough to take spring loads.  Sometimes the crossmembers can end up bent/broken from using coilover shocks or air shocks.

[Bad B-rad]

Wow, I learned something NEW!!!!!!
I had always thought the MAGNUM 440 was orange.

Could have my confusion on engine color, be  MODEL year VS the ACTUAL  year?
I have always read 68 was first year for the ORANGE HP(Magnum/Roadrunner) B/RB engines.
SO was it that most of the engines for the 1968 model year cars were cast, in 67, and the High performance engines that were cast in 68 got painted orange?.
Or is it just a wrong statement to claim 68 is first year for the Orange paint?
 

I did a lot of searching, when I got my 69 Charger.
Most sites describe the "H" code 383 as the HP version.
But its the 4bbl, duel exhaust  330 horse power version, not the high performance Roadrunner/Magnum 335 horse power one.
As far as I could find, only four speed Chargers(68,69) came with the high performance orange color 383.
All others were Turquoise, and rated at 330 horse power.
I am not saying this is 100% facts, it is just what I have found when I was doing homework on the topic

Just as tantop wrote :
A Funny anomaly that I found was in 68/69 they said the 383 high performance 335 engine was reserved for Roadrunners and Super Bee only.
So all 383 equipped Roadrunners got the 383HP Roadrunner engine.(335 horse power) EXCEPT when you ordered an automatic Roadrunner with A/C. Then you got the turquoise 330horsepower version, but it STILL had the Roadrunner engine pie tin.(just not stamped HP on id pad)

I find that sort of funny.

It also adds to confusion that I think officially, the exhaust manifolds we call the HP manifolds, came on all(68+) 4bbl B/RB engines. So they are 4bbl exhaust manifolds not HP manifolds.
Making the others for single exhaust.

Once again I am not saying this is 100% facts, it is just what I have found when I was doing homework on the topic.