Thoughts on this black 69 charger

[marshallfry01]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Dodge-Charger/143627599534?hash=item2170df3eae:g:gDIAAOSw0sVe3~uZ

I've seen this car advertised on Facebook marketplace for awhile and now it's on eBay. It's exactly what I'd want in a Charger. (Running/driving, complete, very close to original...besides a few bolt on's, and pretty solid) Although I feel like it's priced slightly high at 30k, and a little over my budget at the moment, what would you think it's worth? I'm not trying to turn this into a what's it worth thread but I feel like if it could be had for 22-25 that would be closer to the realistic value since it does need work. Obviously the seller called it a project car so it's not like he's trying to pass it off as a finished car.

As far as the rust... could a good body man fix those lower quarter areas fairly easily? Or would it require new panels? Also, I noticed in both corners of the back glass it has some rusty looking areas creeping around the chrome trim. Can you look underneath the window in the trunk to see if it's rusted through? Or does the trim have to be removed?

Like I said it's slightly north of my budget right now without taking out a loan...and I really don't want to do that. I know it's a small block car but that's fine. A 69 charger is a 69 charger to me. I'm not a numbers guy. I like them to be restored to an original style but I couldn't care less if the numbers on the engine block and the dash match.

What are your thoughts?

[Kern Dog]

The rust that you can see is often just the beginning. That rear window can hide a lot of trouble. The taillight panel has rust too..

[70 sublime]

Offer the seller $25000 for it and see what he says

I think to own any Charger from the second generation if you do not think you paid a little too much for it you will never own one

Yes the back window will leak
Are you ever going to drive it in the rain ?
Mine leaks around back glass and have only been caught in the rain once since I started driving it last summer
Not the end of the world to get a little wet 

The bottom of the rear 1/4 s could be fixed but will depend what things look like a little higher up if it has ever been patched before
I hate trying to fix the part under the tail light as it curves all the wrong ways 

[marshallfry01]

Offer the seller $25000 for it and see what he says

I think to own any Charger from the second generation if you do not think you paid a little too much for it you will never own one

Yes the back window will leak
Are you ever going to drive it in the rain ?
Mine leaks around back glass and have only been caught in the rain once since I started driving it last summer
Not the end of the world to get a little wet 

The bottom of the rear 1/4 s could be fixed but will depend what things look like a little higher up if it has ever been patched before
I hate trying to fix the part under the tail light as it curves all the wrong ways 

I don't plan on driving it in the rain, but sometimes you can't predict pop up rain showers. Especially here in Arkansas. It'll definitely be taken on some road trips as well, so it won't be treated like a trailer queen. It'll be taken care of but I will still drive it like a car.

I've heard from a lot of people that the back glass is known to leak. I'm just scared this one is hiding rust all around the back glass. That could turn into thousands to get repaired. Good body work isn't cheap, and cheap body work isn't good. 

[marshallfry01]

The rust that you can see is often just the beginning. That rear window can hide a lot of trouble. The taillight panel has rust too..

Exactly. It worries me that their might be a lot more rust hiding. Especially if it's ever been repainted. The tail panel is silver so that shows someone has done some sort of paint work with it before.

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                       XP29F9B171926 

shame no fender tag picture

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[Kern Dog]

I don't see a lack of fender tag pictures as a problem with 318 cars.
It may be a decent driver despite the rust if the car is structurally sound.
Lately I have changed my opinion on how quick or fast a classic has to be to be a fun ride. New cars can be much faster while getting 3 to 4 times the mileage so an old car really only needs to be what a new cannot be. Simple, beautiful and reasonably fun to drive. No new car can compare to the classic styling these cars have. The vent windows, the chrome trim and bumpers, the rumble of the exhaust with no catalytic converters to dampen the cackle...

[Nacho-RT74]

Do you think really worths $25K?

I think 15-17K tops and being generous! Maybe I can be wrong? sure, but just from the distance that's my 2 cents.

AC car without AC system
Small Block
Column Shifter
Rust visible is just the visible. I predict Bondo. It is fact visible on the rusted section at driver side lower quarter. I think there are some waves visible along the middle body line
No original front seats
Ripped rear bench.
standard brakes ( no booster )

Fortunatelly dash and door panels seem to be really decent by now, but missed arm rest.

Editing: just read the guy have the original seats... maybe also have the AC parts ?

[marshallfry01]

Do you think really worths $25K?

I think 15-17K tops and being generous! Maybe I can be wrong? sure, but just from the distance that's my 2 cents.

AC car without AC system
Small Block
Column Shifter
Rust visible is just the visible. I predict Bondo. It is fact visible on the rusted section at driver side lower quarter. I think there are some waves visible along the middle body line
No original front seats
Ripped rear bench.


standard brakes ( no booster )

Fortunatelly dash and door panels seem to be really decent by now, but missed arm rest.

Editing: just read the guy have the original seats... maybe also have the AC parts ?

I'm not sure if he has the a/c parts. If he did, that would be a huge plus. It'll have to have a/c if I end up with it. Arkansas summers are unbearable. High humidity and temps in the upper 90's are not my favorite. I said earlier 22-25 is what I'd value it as. If I paid 25, I'd have to go over it really good and make sure it's not rusted around the rear window and make sure the quarters and valance isn't any worse than pictured. The more I think about it though, I feel like it's a 20k car. You've pointed a lot of things out. Small block, rust issues, transmission needs rebuilt, seats are ripped, etc. If this car was local I'd pay 20k right now. But it's 1,000 miles away from me. You have to factor in the cost getting it home too.

[ht4spd307]

If you like it buy drive it have fun with it  life's too short for regrets

[gtx6970]

Based on whats been advertised the past few years. I would think mid 20s would be a decent buy. Even then go over it and make sure the rust isnt in the frame rails as well.

[jefferson]

Mid 20s is good but with charger/classic car prices lately. 30 isn't at all unrealistic asking for that.
Shells are going for 11 to 15k alone
So imo mid 20 to 30 for that is fair

[VegasCharger]

Mid 20s is good but with charger/classic car prices lately. 30 isn't at all unrealistic asking for that.
Shells are going for 11 to 15k alone
So imo mid 20 to 30 for that is fair

If that sells for 30k then mine's worth 40k 

[jefferson]

Mid 20s is good but with charger/classic car prices lately. 30 isn't at all unrealistic asking for that.
Shells are going for 11 to 15k alone
So imo mid 20 to 30 for that is fair

If that sells for 30k then mine's worth 40k 

Maybe more haaha

[Ghoste]

Offer 25 and see what happens, its been for sale for a bit I think.

[Nacho-RT74]

Do you think really worths $25K?

I think 15-17K tops and being generous! Maybe I can be wrong? sure, but just from the distance that's my 2 cents.

AC car without AC system
Small Block
Column Shifter
Rust visible is just the visible. I predict Bondo. It is fact visible on the rusted section at driver side lower quarter. I think there are some waves visible along the middle body line
No original front seats
Ripped rear bench.


standard brakes ( no booster )

Fortunatelly dash and door panels seem to be really decent by now, but missed arm rest.

Editing: just read the guy have the original seats... maybe also have the AC parts ?

I’m not sure if he has the a/c parts. If he did, that would be a huge plus. It’ll have to have a/c if I end up with it. Arkansas summers are unbearable. High humidity and temps in the upper 90’s are not my favorite. I said earlier 22-25 is what I’d value it as. If I paid 25, I’d have to go over it really good and make sure it’s not rusted around the rear window and make sure the quarters and valance isn’t any worse than pictured. The more I think about it though, I feel like it’s a 20k car. You’ve pointed a lot of things out. Small block, rust issues, transmission needs rebuilt, seats are ripped, etc. If this car was local I’d pay 20k right now. But it’s 1,000 miles away from me. You have to factor in the cost getting it home too.

I still think $20K is too much.

I know the market changes with time but can't feel things have changed in last 2 or 3 years in really huge rates. I'm not a price rate expert, but just sharing my observations. I was able to see ( allways on line of course ) nice 2nd gens 383 auto console cars needing really NOTHING in $20-25K rate around 3 years ago ( I recall clearly a nice white 68 with black interior on ebay on 20K ). Of course things change a lot being R/Ts or maybe even nice optioned SEs. But plain janes? just with what the pics show, needing what is just is visible ? definitelly no.

But at each own.

[XH29N0G]

My guess is that the trunk and floor pans will have some small holes if blasted, but maybe not.  Probably could live with it. The other rust behind the wheels and Dutchman panel is shown.  I would check for other repairs and it would be nice to know if it had been repainted.  

I am sure you will find more if you buy it and the cost + cost of restoring will not add up to the final cost of the car.  But, I think the difference is that 20K and this car would be gone.  25K makes people pause, but seems like enough might jump.  30K is the askers price (maybe optimistic but if it works he is good), 22-25 is your buyers price.  

If it is what it is represented, I don't see much difference in that 5K-10, it is a 20-33% price difference from optimal to what he wants - something we might not worry about if we were dealing with prices in the 2500 to 3000 range.  If you do the typical thing (leave it to drive or fix up to what you want) you will probably have something worth some fraction less than you can sell it for, but you might enjoy it.  

If I were looking and were flush with money, I would make an offer.  But I would have an idea that it would be a project because I would want to tinker and fix up.  I would know I hadn't paid bottom dollar.
It sounds to me like we are doing the 3000, 2500 and 2000 dilemma from the 1970s. It is going to cost more than that to restore and repair it.  If it were restored and repaired it wouldn't command the restoration costs plus the asking price.  But I do not know how common that is.  

[CRW-FK5]

That fact that it's a TX9 car has to be adding some additional value to it, as well.

[70 sublime]

I just emailed the ebay seller a couple questions about the original front seats and what other bits they might have
Also asked if $25000 would buy it
I did not say I was offering $25K just asked if $25K would buy it

Will let you know what I get back

[Dano 1]

Given the rust that's visible and the faintness of the body lines I'm guessing that black paint is hiding some serious bondo/corrosion. The right side taillight also looks to be crooked which could mean a poorly repaired panel or previous collision damage. That being said basically any running/driving 2nd gen seems to be worth $30k these days, I'd be MUCH more comfortable at the $20k-$25k price point especially considering it's just a 318 car. Being complete and driveable gives a buyer a huge leg up on the restoration process, I'd drive it and enjoy it as-is without worrying about dents/dings/scratches while saving and preparing for the eventual restoration.

[Mike DC]

  
If something is "a $20k car but it will probably sell for $30k" then it's not a $20k car.  It's a $30k car.      
       

[70 sublime]

Well my question was answered and 25 will not buy it

New message from: billyquan (19)
OG seats need work but I have them along with other odds and ends like trim, heat and AC parts, a new glove box etc. No, I'm sorry, 25K is too low. 

Reply

Make an offer

[1968Fever]

I think the consideration of this car is mainly for anyone who wants a "real" black car proven by the fender tag.  If you don't care about that than I think you can get a car in the same condition in a less popular color for less money.  Think about how many times TX9 coded Chargers come up for sale?  

Here is the Craigslist ad.  The last picture has the fender tag for anyone interested...
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/santa-clarita-1969-dodge-charger/7138877743.html

[marshallfry01]

Well my question was answered and 25 will not buy it

New message from: billyquan (19)
OG seats need work but I have them along with other odds and ends like trim, heat and AC parts, a new glove box etc. No, I'm sorry, 25K is too low.  

Reply

Make an offer


I had my doubts that 25 would take it. He's dreaming if it'll sell more than 25. Hell I think he's dreaming if it sells more than 22. I looked at his personal Facebook profile page when I saw the car posted on there. I did some digging and apparently it used to be his grandpa's car or an uncles car. I can't really remember. It also had Washington plates on it when he first got it. Along with original wheels and hubcaps. I guess being from Washington is why it has rust issues. I'm just assuming, but I'm betting he inherited the car and is just looking for a huge payday.

[marshallfry01]

I think the consideration of this car is mainly for anyone who wants a "real" black car proven by the fender tag.  If you don't care about that than I think you can get a car in the same condition in a less popular color for less money.  Think about how many times TX9 coded Chargers come up for sale? 

Here is the Craigslist ad.  The last picture has the fender tag for anyone interested...
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/santa-clarita-1969-dodge-charger/7138877743.html

I think you're right. I don't care what color it originally was. Truth be told I'm looking for a car to make a General Lee out of anyway. That's why I want a basic XP charger.

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I think the consideration of this car is mainly for anyone who wants a "real" black car proven by the fender tag.  If you don't care about that than I think you can get a car in the same condition in a less popular color for less money.  Think about how many times TX9 coded Chargers come up for sale?  

Here is the Craigslist ad.  The last picture has the fender tag for anyone interested...
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/santa-clarita-1969-dodge-charger/7138877743.html

Good find on the fender tag ! thanks for posting !!   
  love studying this stuff ! 

dont see many original  all black  69 XP chargers  ! especially with out a vinyl top 

[Nacho-RT74]

It could be a black car but still a plain jane one! I Still think on the correct price for it  doesn't reach the 20k rate.

[70 sublime]

OK everyone that is saying this black car is not a good deal can you post a second gen Charger that is for sale right now at this very time for between $20 0000 and $25 0000 that the OP can buy that is a good deal ?

[XH29N0G]

Thing about a good deal with something that isn't common.  They get bought.  My two cents on the 25K inquiry and the response of his to make an offer. If 25K is what you are willing to go and you were asking as a way to make an offer politely, I would contact him again and say that was your polite way of making an offer. I would do this if you are serious about it and that is your price. Then it is up to him to wait for another because he thinks he will do better or to counteroffer.  It also allows him to respond that 25 is not what he wants, but would entertain another offer,  then you can decide whether you want to go higher, but it sounds like 25 is as high as you want to go.  If so, then he can think about it and come back to you later if you leave it standing.  I think we are going to be in for a dip in prices so my thinking on his part is that 25 is probably the best he is going to get. I have been told to expect furloughs if not layoffs in the next year. Trying to say that delicately so as not to shift the conversation.  But I also think about things like that when I make plans to spend. If that happens across the board, people aren't going to be feeling flush and a lower price would be lucky, or it will just sit.

[70 sublime]

I am not interested in buying this car as I already have a 69 and a 70 Charger to work on

Was just trying to settle the debate of would the seller take $25 K for it

Watching my local classifieds I have noticed a lot of stuff getting relisted with the heading REDUCED PRICE
Last summer that never happened the sellers always stuck to their price

Time will tell

[marshallfry01]

I'm just going to wait and look for another car. With the rust issues and him not coming off the price much, I don't think it's worth it.

[Mopar Nut]

Someone bought it, it's sold.