Only the good die young...

[MoparMike68]

Seems only the good threads get locked and gutted of its content,some aren't even political in fact members lately
are holding back just to have a conversation. I can see if we're discussing straight politics,but current events
are being critiqued as having underlying political content,everything can be viewed as political if you let it.
Discussing current events is necessary and healthy and those of us that return are all guilty and happy to be
here so why all the censorship? 
People should be left to hash it out on their own 
For those of you that are sensitive to topics other then "communicating with Martins" should not participate.
Thoughts?

[Mopar Nut]

Seems only the good threads get locked and gutted of its content,some aren't even political in fact members lately
are holding back just to have a conversation. I can see if we're discussing straight politics,but current events
are being critiqued as having underlying political content,everything can be viewed as political if you let it.
Discussing current events is necessary and healthy and those of us that return are all guilty and happy to be
here so why all the censorship? 
People should be left to hash it out on their own 
For those of you that are sensitive to topics other then "communicating with Martins" should not participate.
Thoughts?

Just mentioning the "P" word makes this a "P" topic.

[MoparMike68]

Interesting take even though it's not, it is just by way of the word 
That's my point I think threads are shut down prematurely assuming the (P).
When in fact no matter what eventually if you look hard enough you'll find (P).
Even unintentional.

[Mike DC]

The pandemic is hard to separate from politics. 

It was easier 3 months ago before it had really hit.  Now we're mainly discussing how society reacts to it. 

[Troy]

I warned that I was going to do it. People ignored that. So now I'm blasting every one of them as promised. The posts I have removed recently have contained personal attacks against other members. Even if there's some "discussion" in the parts that got removed, too bad. People should learn to "discuss" without being a dick. I'm tired of wasting my time on this.

Troy

[Mike DC]

 
Just wanna say the effort is appreciated, Troy. 

Moderating is basically refereeing.  It's a pretty thankless job.   

 

[MoparMike68]

I warned that I was going to do it. People ignored that. So now I'm blasting every one of them as promised. The posts I have removed recently have contained personal attacks against other members. Even if there's some "discussion" in the parts that got removed, too bad. People should learn to "discuss" without being a dick. I'm tired of wasting my time on this.

Troy

Fair enough Troy, I can't argue with that, actually I could but that would be dumb 
This is the place to be for the hobby and thanks for that.

[MoparMike68]

The pandemic is hard to separate from politics. 

It was easier 3 months ago before it had really hit.  Now we're mainly discussing how society reacts to it. 

Your first point is correct, as for the second that's yesterday's news.

[Kern Dog]

It has been difficult for me to stand silent on the whole Covid issue. I didn't start out searching for a way to inject politics into the matter but I didn't shy away from that angle either. I noticed right away that those that took the more careful approach were usually very different in their thinking than I am.
The more that I think about it, I really want to and try to be a "Live and let live" guy. If YOU want to wear a mask, limit interactions with people, work from home, etc, that should be okay as long as you don't demand that everyone do the same. You do your thing, I'll do mine. No politics, just an opinion.

[MoparMike68]

It has been difficult for me to stand silent on the whole Covid issue. I didn't start out searching for a way to inject politics into the matter but I didn't shy away from that angle either. I noticed right away that those that took the more careful approach were usually very different in their thinking than I am.
The more that I think about it, I really want to and try to be a "Live and let live" guy. If YOU want to wear a mask, limit interactions with people, work from home, etc, that should be okay as long as you don't demand that everyone do the same. You do your thing, I'll do mine. No politics, just an opinion.

KD, If your quoting me from your I've been banned but Im back thread
I didn't mean anything by that statement I was joking, it's all good! 
I'm  just waiting to wake from this nightmare as you are
and enjoy my liberty and freedom again,
Now there's more drama just when we are starting to open back up  

[Kern Dog]

I don't know if I just subliminally wrote what someone else had done. Could be!
I still mean it.
In fact, no matter how offensive my words may be to some, I write what I believe unless I am purposely being silly. I am not a liar.

[MoparMike68]

I don't know if I just subliminally wrote what someone else had done. Could be!
I still mean it.
In fact, no matter how offensive my words may be to some, I write what I believe unless I am purposely being silly. I am not a liar.

[odcics2]

Original version, Live and Let Die, with movie snippets.   

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=live+and+let+die+1973&&view=detail&mid=E096F24586E52F9D03D7E096F24586E52F9D03D7&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dlive%2Band%2Blet%2Bdie%2B1973%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

[MoparMike68]

Original version, Live and Let Die, with movie snippets.   

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=live+and+let+die+1973&&view=detail&mid=E096F24586E52F9D03D7E096F24586E52F9D03D7&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dlive%2Band%2Blet%2Bdie%2B1973%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

I like the Guns N Roses version   

[odcics2]

Original version, Live and Let Die, with movie snippets.  

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=live+and+let+die+1973&&view=detail&mid=E096F24586E52F9D03D7E096F24586E52F9D03D7&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dlive%2Band%2Blet%2Bdie%2B1973%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

I like the Guns N Roses version  

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=live+and+let+die+1973&ru=%2fvideos%2fsearch%3fq%3dlive%2band%2blet%2bdie%2b1973%26FORM%3dHDRSC3&view=detail&mid=2FF4AC3278C1DA80287D2FF4AC3278C1DA80287D&&FORM=VDRVRV

Live 1976 version. One of the first times a laser was used.   Probably the best concert I ever remember attending!  lol!!!  

[odcics2]

Original version, Live and Let Die, with movie snippets.   

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=live+and+let+die+1973&&view=detail&mid=E096F24586E52F9D03D7E096F24586E52F9D03D7&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dlive%2Band%2Blet%2Bdie%2B1973%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

I like the Guns N Roses version   

Best part of the movie......

[Challenger340]

If YOU want to wear a mask, limit interactions with people, work from home, etc, that should be okay as long as you don't demand that everyone do the same. You do your thing, I'll do mine. No politics, just an opinion.

You do realize, 'opinions' typically formed through knowledge...that the NON-N95 rated 'masks' people are currently wearing are to protect others from their potentially infectious exhaled sputem... NOT to protect themselves ?

Because unless it is N95 rated... it has basically NO INHALATION protection ?

Just say'in....
wearing a NON-N95 mask, is very simply.... an act of showing RESPECT for the Health of others by limiting their own potentially infectious exhaled sputem in 'large droplets' at the source, but offers NO personal potentially infectious aerosol inhalation protection as NOT N95 rated.  Gravity/distance(2M) being the only protection against remainder potential aerosol transmission currently thought in too low ppm airborne for transmission.

Please research what I am posting here OK ?
Because your believing wearing a mask is a personal choice is just fine IMO, as long as you understand others are wearing the NON N95 masks trying to protect YOU, and show RESPECT for YOUR Health, while you may potentially be asymptomatic ?
and are showing NO RESPECT for the Health of others excercising your personal choice/opinion ?

Again here.... please....  please....  pretty PLEASE.....  research the science behind N95 and NON N95 Mask effectiveness regarding INHALATION and EXHALATION protections OK ?

I am saying that I believe.....  that for whatever reasons ? or failings in the Public Health domain ?
there may indeed be one heck of a TON of misinformation in the United States that is responsible for the USA now being the WORST INFECTED Country on the Planet and bearing the brunt of the "Global' Pandemic fatalities ?

Mask wearing being one of the common misconceptions so critical and being used in other Countries so effectively to prevent COVID spread ?
WHY mask wearing hasn't caught on or been mandated in the USA is still a mystery ?

[alfaitalia]

I has been in some places in the US hasn't it???....or so ive read on here and other places. With your current rampant rate of infection you have to do something......

[stripedelete]

The more that I think about it, I really want to and try to be a "Live and let live" guy. If YOU want to wear a mask, limit interactions with people, work from home, etc, that should be okay as long as you don't demand that everyone do the same. You do your thing, I'll do mine. No politics, just an opinion.

Uh?  I picture your head exploding "scanners" fashion......

[Kern Dog]

 

[John_Kunkel]

You do your thing, I'll do mine.

Great hippie philosophy but what about when "your thing" affects other people? Think Typhoid Mary.

[Nacho-RT74]

your rights ends when the rest of ppl rights begin

[stripedelete]

your rights ends when the rest of ppl rights begin

Bingo!  That's exactly what people can't get their heads around.

[Challenger340]

your rights ends when the rest of ppl rights begin

Bingo!  That's exactly what people can't get their heads around.

it's only "some" people ?    

Maybe people across all levels of IQ ? Intelligence ? and Smarts(or not)?.... could gravitate around a simpler theme..... Wear a Mask and help SAVE our Economy ?.....  
because, and imo here....
if the less than smart "personal freedom" diatribe continues ? this could very well lead into a Depression worse than the 1930's .... with China laughing all the way to the Bank !

Helluva way to show how FREE you were right ? .....  to then Starve in Poverty for being Free IDIOTS huh ?

Time to BAN me I guess eh ?

[stripedelete]

your rights ends when the rest of ppl rights begin

Bingo!  That's exactly what people can't get their heads around.

it's only "some" people ?    

Maybe people across all levels of IQ ? Intelligence ? and Smarts(or not)?.... could gravitate around a simpler theme..... Wear a Mask and help SAVE our Economy ?.....  
because, and imo here....
if the less than smart "personal freedom" diatribe continues ? this could very well lead into a Depression worse than the 1930's .... with China laughing all the way to the Bank !

Helluva way to show how FREE you were right ? .....  to then Starve in Poverty for being Free IDIOTS huh ?

Time to BAN me I guess eh ?

Not sure, but I think we're both on the same side of this issue.

[Kern Dog]

The "Head of infectious diseases" Dr Fauci clearly said in an interview I posted on FBBO and FABO that masks do not work. Now either he is an idiot or he had a momentary lapse of common sense and told the truth.

[Kern Dog]

Right here.

https://youtu.be/LScHAvufgfM

[Kern Dog]

your rights ends when the rest of ppl rights begin

No. Our bill of rights does not have provisions like that.

[alfaitalia]

The "Head of infectious diseases" Dr Fauci clearly said in an interview I posted on FBBO and FABO that masks do not work. Now either he is an idiot or he had a momentary lapse of common sense and told the truth.

To be fair he has spoken a huge amount of shit in the past...much of which had been quoted on here and FBBO. His views on masks and COVID19 are in the minority in the medical world now.

[Challenger340]

The "Head of Infectious Diseases" Dr Fauci clearly said in an interview I posted on FBBO and FABO that masks do not work. Now either he is an idiot or he had a momentary lapse of common sense and told the truth.

Right here.

https://youtu.be/LScHAvufgfM

That was from 2 MONTHS ago ? and opinions can change I guess ?

Because if we're recounting 2 Month old history looking for people to hold accountable as IDIOTS ?.... maybe we could revisit swallowing/injecting dis-infectants, Hydroxchlorofailure, things "miraculously" disappearing, and a whole host of really DUMB statements.


NONE of which makes any difference NOW with an exploding COVID Infection rate of now 57,000 new cases per day in the USA

Just DO whatever you can to save our economies OK ? and if that includes wearing a mask as best/latest health advice to slow this thing down then so be it.

[mel t]

Like this?
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is a viral respiratory illness caused by a coronavirus called SARS-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV). SARS was first reported in Asia in February 2003. The illness spread to more than two dozen countries in North America, South America, Europe, and Asia before the SARS global outbreak of 2003 was contained.

Since 2004, there have not been any known cases of SARS reported anywhere in the world. The content in this website was developed for the 2003 SARS epidemic. But some guidelines are still being used. Any new SARS updates will be posted on this website.

[mel t]

https://riordanclinic.org/what-we-do/ultraviolet-blood-irradiation/

[mel t]

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323591

[mel t]

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-news-president-trump-could-be-right-after-all-photodynamic-therapy-and-the-disinfectant-hypochlorous-acid-are-interesting-research-prospects

[Challenger340]

Like this?
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is a viral respiratory illness caused by a coronavirus called SARS-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV). SARS was first reported in Asia in February 2003. The illness spread to more than two dozen countries in North America, South America, Europe, and Asia before the SARS global outbreak of 2003 was contained.

Since 2004, there have not been any known cases of SARS reported anywhere in the world. The content in this website was developed for the 2003 SARS epidemic. But some guidelines are still being used. Any new SARS updates will be posted on this website.

Again here, my only point is that it doesn't matter who said what, when, where, or when in the PAST.... it makes no difference moving forward
because...
the problem is NOW with COVID 19 exploding in the USA .... and with 57,000 new cases daily being reported in the USA.... the American/North American economies depend upon us all doing everything and anything we can to slow the spread and keep our economies functioning ?
If that includes wearing a mask as best practise...... who cares.... just DO IT !  because every day COVID grows in North America = China wins at the expense of our std of living !

[Challenger340]

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-news-president-trump-could-be-right-after-all-photodynamic-therapy-and-the-disinfectant-hypochlorous-acid-are-interesting-research-prospects

Get a BRAIN you fucking moron.... that's REAL FAKE News by the Chinese you dipshit !   LOOK at the 'sources'

WTF is wrong with you idiots ? are only dimwits breeding ?

[mel t]

Funny how an idiot savant can go so far into someone's head.

Me thinks some folks here need to turn off the tellie.

[Challenger340]

Funny how an idiot savant can go so far into someone's head.

Me thinks some folks here need to turn off the tellie.

Sure be ice to have some adults in the room

[mel t]

Easy Bob.
Just some reading material for the masses. Don't get yourself all worked up.

[John_Kunkel]

Right here.

https://youtu.be/LScHAvufgfM

As stated many times here, it's easy to cherry-pick Youtube videos that support your preconceived notions but, to be fair, listen to the opinions of both sides before making up your mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaka1vqYFNs

I know it makes you look macho to defy the mainstream but it's your ass and others around that are at risk. Think Typhoid Mary.

[ACUDANUT]

I thought this about Billy Joel ?

[stripedelete]

I thought this about Billy Joel ?

Now that's funny!

[Kern Dog]

There is a sad amount of fear mongering going on.

[Kern Dog]

I know it makes you look macho to defy the mainstream but it's your ass and others around that are at risk. Think Typhoid Mary.

I am tougher than most and I feel great.
My point with the video was to show that nobody knows. What these idiots say is contradicted a week later.
Learn from history. If they were wrong before, they are possibly wrong again.
Even reports from the WHO claim that it is highly unlikely to transmit the disease from an asymptomatic  person. True or false?
More reports of positive cases? Uhhh, maybe more people have been tested, you think?
Fuck it. I'm not scared. I feel great. My wife feels great. My family feels great. I won't let this exaggerated "pandemic" scare me.
I was just at a 7-11 store and a man in his 90s was behind me with no mask. He was there buying a newspaper and 2 packs of smokes. I think that is great.

[greycharger]

It's a sad, needless waste as the people most threatened by this virus are the best resources on this site and in our lives. Sad also, are the ones at risk we don't yet know about. Will it be babies who suffer their whole lives? Nobody but God knows.
It's a big joke to the immature, and a threat to lifestyle for the selfish, but those in charge of Washington have failed to show people of all ages how it is a small discomfort and in peoples' self interest to follow certain behaviors the best they can, in spite of sacrifice, for a short time.
Today, the guy who occupies the office of President will hold a campaign party at Mt. Rushmore. "What can burn, it's rock, right?" was his quote. His party planners faced the same dilemma of fire and environmental catastrophes that ended fireworks at Mt Rushmore over a decade ago. Fires up there can last for months, burn tens of thousands of acres, and keep the air smoke filled for weeks at a time. Talk about stink and headaches...
In preparation they did a test burn, though they first sold it as a regular prescribed burn and denied to the Press that it was for a campaign rally. The burn worked fine because a strong summer rainstorm with 50 degree temps put it out that night. No fire danger here, we'll just have it rain.
Property owners in the area cannot drink their well water as the pure mountain streams and water tables were contaminated from the many years of fireworks debris. Nobody thought about it until someone got sick. Then they fixed it, peoples' health is more important than a light show and forest fires are expensive. I have to say, the fireworks were an impressive sight at that elevation with its dark, dark nights, and bright stars against the backdrop of Rushmore. The ultimate photo op location. The images will sell bigly on tee shirts and such. "Saw Trump at Rushmore and all I got was this lousy Tee Shirt... and...?
The Official, debated and resolved, decided and appealed, long standing positions of the US Forest Service, USDA, BLM, and EPA were reversed overnight, as if to someone's whim. The Rainbow Family should get that kind of service. Nobody, but nobody, cleans a campsite as well as them.
The party goers will be free to run without bothersome face masks and to group up for selfies. The event got the Governor's official okay, plus 400K of State tax dollars for the rally fireworks. The Partiers have freedom and they have Rights, but none of them can control how far the virus will travel should they get infected; some don't care.
They have their Rights, but what about the responsibility that comes with those Rights? Will they pay the medical costs of their victims, or is it just somebody's bad luck to encounter them? Maybe they will demand liability releases from every person they meet. They will care, when they, or someone they love, recovers only to find they now have diabetes for the rest of their shortened lives.  ...and that's just the start of potential adverse outcomes we've yet to discover.
People will be exposed over time anyway, but I don't want it to happen to anyone because of me. So in spite of my hours being cut and feelings of isolation, I will stay hunkered down, use the phone, and wear a mask in public when I must go out.
I wear my respirator at home too, it makes my house and dog smell much better.

[Kern Dog]

Wow. That was a reasonable post. Thank you.
You do your thing, man. If it brings you comfort, so be it. 

[mel t]

Wow, Greycharger,  WOW! you got it bad. Sorry about that.

[greycharger]

That is a long one. Sorry. Covid just took the life of a long time friend. His soulmate is alone in the World. There is just no purpose in his death, an utter waste.

[ACUDANUT]

That is a long one. Sorry. Covid just took the life of a long time friend. His soulmate is alone in the World. There is just no purpose in his death, an utter waste.

He had a Dude as a soul mate ? 

[mel t]

https://www.mlive.com/news/2020/07/hydroxychloroquine-is-effective-in-treating-covid-19-says-henry-ford-health-system-study.html

[Nacho-RT74]

They have their Rights, but what about the responsibility that comes with those Rights?

As I said previously, our own rights ends where the rest of ppl rights begin. That's part of the responsability

[odcics2]

Read today that Jimmie Johnson has it along with his wife. He's missing the Indy race tomorrow.
A bunch of Pence secret service guys got it and a couple of his aids.  
Trump Jr's girlfriend has it.

[John_Kunkel]

Read today that Jimmie Johnson has it along with his wife. He's missing the Indy race today.
A bunch of Pence secret service guys got it and a couple of his aids. 
Trump Jr's girlfriend has it.

That will fall on deaf ears.

[John_Kunkel]

I am tougher than most and I feel great.

Many in the grave said the same thing.

Learn from history.

You say that over and over again but you're ignorant of history. History has shown that it's quite possible and very likely for an asymptomatic person to transmit a virus, that's why I keep referring to Typhoid Mary. Your macho attitude is simply a danger to everybody around you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon

[greycharger]

That is a long one. Sorry. Covid just took the life of a long time friend. His soulmate is alone in the World. There is just no purpose in his death, an utter waste.

He had a Dude as a soul mate ? 

It is an uplifting story for older singles.  He and SHE were in their 30's when they met. They fell in love like teenagers and were married for over 30 years doing everything together. I never thought to ask about his sexual preferences.  

But I like the way you think, you're very progressive

[Old Moparz]

This is a pretty damn good thread with just as much, if not more, information than the tech section. 

It points out exactly which people to avoid at Carlisle. 

[mel t]

Is this guy a member here?
https://youtu.be/Em89_BaDdI0

[Kern Dog]

This is a pretty damn good thread with just as much, if not more, information than the tech section. 

It points out exactly which people to avoid at Carlisle. 

Staying away from healthy people has zero impact on your health. It also appears that being near someone WITH the virus but showing no symptoms may have no effect as well, according to the WHO.

[Nacho-RT74]

Masks ( true along with some other implememts ) have been the protection standard in every hospital in the world since ever before this, just right at the spot with all kind of diseases and viruses and keeps a bit protected at least to doctors, nurses and patientes, so, I don't think mask don't work at least partially

[Nacho-RT74]

I hate Masks... and walking around don't carry it because there is enough distance between ppl, but as soon I get into a bus or a shop, I put it on.

[mel t]

Finally; A reasonable response. I do the same.
I don't ride in busses — but I get it.

[Nacho-RT74]

is about social conscience and respect for the others. I was not agreed about the unlock... yet... it should had been be larger, couple of weeks or a month more to make a safer and durable the unlock and make worth all the effort, but what is done is done and we won't be able to regret it now... now this will get looonger and worst to the echonomy in the med and long shot when this refloats back

[odcics2]

Interesting turn of events.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mexico-closes-border-in-arizona-as-coronavirus-cases-in-both-countries-surge/ar-BB16jcfx?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ieslice

[greycharger]

There are ways to feed the economy while social distancing. Not that it would have a large effect, but make work for unemployed like planting and caring for fruit trees and berries in right of ways throughout towns. It's work for people now, food for decades. Tax credit payouts encourage consuming, but purposeful work creates or preserves things to be used into the future.

We can look at what was tried in the Great Depression and bring the ideas into this century. There are 90 year old WPA city parks with rock work and structures that are still solid and standing. WPA and CCC stock ponds in the Badlands are used extensively by cattle and migrating waterfowl. All success stories that have been used for generations and many more to come.

[MoparMike68]

 

[MoparMike68]

Interesting turn of events.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mexico-closes-border-in-arizona-as-coronavirus-cases-in-both-countries-surge/ar-BB16jcfx?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ieslice

Even more Interesting...
Coronavirus Daily Deaths Are Down 92.4% COVID Deaths Have Now Declined For 10 Straight Weeks 

https://outkick.com/coronavirus-daily-deaths-down-92-4-from-peak-have-declined-ten-straight-weeks/

[Mike DC]

Even more Interesting...
Coronavirus Daily Deaths Are Down 92.4% COVID Deaths Have Now Declined For 10 Straight Weeks  yesnod

https://outkick.com/coronavirus-daily-deaths-down-92-4-from-peak-have-declined-ten-straight-weeks/

That article referred to Florida as having "some of the best public data out there."  

Florida has literally been blocking their medical examiners from releasing Covid data.  Deaths have lagged from the data until days/weeks after they happened, deaths have been cut from the figures because they were not officially state residents, etc.  There is a clear effort to sandbag the figures. 
   

[John_Kunkel]

It also appears that being near someone WITH the virus but showing no symptoms may have no effect as well, according to the WHO.

Do you understand the significance of the word "may"?

[Birdflu]

It also appears that being near someone WITH the virus but showing no symptoms may have no effect as well, according to the WHO.

Do you understand the significance of the word "may"?

I "may" die tomorrow, but for the sake of argument, I'm going to live like it's NOT going to happen...

[MoparMike68]

Let's say if that was true about Florida which is highly unlikely being were not China but ok,
Nationwide Mike only 254 people have died on July 4 compared to the peak in April of 2,749
The Governor's sending infected patients back to Nursing homes played a huge roll in inflating the numbers.
Unfortunately one of those Governors represent my State NJ and NewYork,Pennsylvania are my neighbors.
If Florida blocked Medical Examiners from collecting data then many other states would have to follow suit for that logic to work
because it's National, cases would be added when they arrived to their respective states.

[Troy]

I warned that I was going to do it. People ignored that. So now I'm blasting every one of them as promised. The posts I have removed recently have contained personal attacks against other members. Even if there's some "discussion" in the parts that got removed, too bad. People should learn to "discuss" without being a dick. I'm tired of wasting my time on this.

Troy

Some people.........

Troy