I guess it's easier to LOCK threads than deal with the PROBLEMs ?

[Challenger340]

Case in point the recent thread I started called "The World Leader"

It's purpose was NOT in any way 'political'....it was meant to draw attention to a simple FACT.... that statistically as the lockdowns come off, to stay safe because the USA is now the worst epicenter Globally for COVID infections, and that people should remember that, protect themselves and stay safe !

That's it... that's all.... and I clearly stated just THAT in my Thread.

Along comes some A-Hole(and I don't use the term lightly)....  and he turns my thread into a POLITICAL FARCE by posting up POLITICAL memes....
and,
instead of the moderators here DEALING with the "problem" Nit-Wit posting the Political Crap.... they LOCK the entire Thread

THAT simple act by the moderators here, in my opinion only, demonstartes not just an elevated political bias.... not just around the "political" statements being made by some.... but also as to WHO gets away with WHAT ?

IMO,
the 'thread' should NOT have nbeen locked... rather the numbskulls 'political' posts should have been erased ..... and the twit Banned !

It's NOT the "Threads" fault.... nor the valid intent within that ONE A-Hole can't participate properly ?

[John_Kunkel]

Along comes some A-Hole(and I don't use the term lightly)....  and he turns my thread into a POLITICAL FARCE by posting up POLITICAL memes....

Ya gotta realize that the individual(s) never had an original thought in their entire lives, all they can do is parrot the party line and the party line conflicts with the gist of your thread.

[timmycharger]

Case in point the recent thread I started called "The World Leader"

It's purpose was NOT in any way 'political'....it was meant to draw attention to a simple FACT.... that statistically as the lockdowns come off, to stay safe because the USA is now the worst epicenter Globally for COVID infections, and that people should remember that, protect themselves and stay safe !

That's it... that's all.... and I clearly stated just THAT in my Thread.

Along comes some A-Hole(and I don't use the term lightly)....  and he turns my thread into a POLITICAL FARCE by posting up POLITICAL memes....
and,
instead of the moderators here DEALING with the "problem" Nit-Wit posting the Political Crap.... they LOCK the entire Thread

THAT simple act by the moderators here, in my opinion only, demonstartes not just an elevated political bias.... not just around the "political" statements being made by some.... but also as to WHO gets away with WHAT ?

IMO,
the 'thread' should NOT have nbeen locked... rather the numbskulls 'political' posts should have been erased ..... and the twit Banned !

It's NOT the "Threads" fault.... nor the valid intent within that ONE A-Hole can't participate properly ?

What do you expect? Not sure if you noticed, but COVID 19 is a pretty polarizing topic these days and has been politicized already by the mainstream media.  Is this your 3rd or 4th thread on this topic?   

What's the old adage about the definition of insanity? Something about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Case in point the recent thread I started called "The World Leader"

It's purpose was NOT in any way 'political'....it was meant to draw attention to a simple FACT.... that statistically as the lockdowns come off, to stay safe because the USA is now the worst epicenter Globally for COVID infections, and that people should remember that, protect themselves and stay safe !

That's it... that's all.... and I clearly stated just THAT in my Thread.

Along comes some A-Hole(and I don't use the term lightly)....  and he turns my thread into a POLITICAL FARCE by posting up POLITICAL memes....
and,
instead of the moderators here DEALING with the "problem" Nit-Wit posting the Political Crap.... they LOCK the entire Thread

THAT simple act by the moderators here, in my opinion only, demonstartes not just an elevated political bias.... not just around the "political" statements being made by some.... but also as to WHO gets away with WHAT ?

IMO,
the 'thread' should NOT have nbeen locked... rather the numbskulls 'political' posts should have been erased ..... and the twit Banned !

It's NOT the "Threads" fault.... nor the valid intent within that ONE A-Hole can't participate properly ?

What do you expect? Not sure if you noticed, but COVID 19 is a pretty polarizing topic these days and has been politicized already by the mainstream media.  Is this your 3rd or 4th thread on this topic?   

What's the old adage about the definition of insanity? Something about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

[mel t]

 

[MoparMike68]

 

[Nacho-RT74]

Case in point the recent thread I started called "The World Leader"

It's purpose was NOT in any way 'political'....it was meant to draw attention to a simple FACT.... that statistically as the lockdowns come off, to stay safe because the USA is now the worst epicenter Globally for COVID infections, and that people should remember that, protect themselves and stay safe !

That's it... that's all.... and I clearly stated just THAT in my Thread.

Along comes some A-Hole(and I don't use the term lightly)....  and he turns my thread into a POLITICAL FARCE by posting up POLITICAL memes....
and,
instead of the moderators here DEALING with the "problem" Nit-Wit posting the Political Crap.... they LOCK the entire Thread

THAT simple act by the moderators here, in my opinion only, demonstartes not just an elevated political bias.... not just around the "political" statements being made by some.... but also as to WHO gets away with WHAT ?

IMO,
the 'thread' should NOT have nbeen locked... rather the numbskulls 'political' posts should have been erased ..... and the twit Banned !

It's NOT the "Threads" fault.... nor the valid intent within that ONE A-Hole can't participate properly ?

What do you expect? Not sure if you noticed, but COVID 19 is a pretty polarizing topic these days and has been politicized already by the mainstream media.  Is this your 3rd or 4th thread on this topic?   

What's the old adage about the definition of insanity? Something about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

actually it was his 1st thread as far I recall... on the rest he just posted, but didn't started those

[birdsandbees]

Maybe we should just get back to automotive posts and continue arguing on those about whom is right and whom is wrong... 

[firefighter3931]

THAT simple act by the moderators here, in my opinion only, demonstartes not just an elevated political bias.... not just around the "political" statements being made by some.... but also as to WHO gets away with WHAT ?

IMO,
the 'thread' should NOT have nbeen locked... rather the numbskulls 'political' posts should have been erased ..... and the twit Banned !

It's NOT the "Threads" fault.... nor the valid intent within that ONE A-Hole can't participate properly ?

Hey Bob,

Perhaps the "offender" was a bit over the line but removing the posts amounts to censorship. So rather than removing the thread locking it was the right choice before things got out of hand while still allowing free expression....whether or not we all agree with it or not ?

Look....i'm on the front lines of this mess ; Captain at the busiest station in our city and in the top four statistically in our Country. As such i'm responsible for my crew's safety and by extension their family's safety. Our Firehall does over 6000+ calls per year and the vast majority involve medical responses. Our district houses all of the homeless shelters in the city so our exposure is extreme. Overdoses, IV drug users, homeless people are "routine" calls we experience several times a shift. We go through NarCan like candy here. We're now having to employ full breathing apparatus (SCBA) while responding to all medical calls under the assumption that every patient is Covid positive. The lack of PPE (N95's) has necessitated this change ! Following each call there is a 20 minute decontamination process by our HazMat team. The Crew member(s) must remain "on-air" while this process progresses to completion....before we can go back into service.  

I hope this mess will be over soon..... like everyone else. My Job has been significantly complicated as a result of this medical pandemic. Lets stay together during the emergency. There will be lots of time to dissect the facts once we have control of things.

And yes I agree with the economy re-opening with safety measures in place. Any bankrupt country will no longer be able to provide financial/medical support to it's citizens without a revenue stream. It's basic economics.



Ron

[Kern Dog]

Thanks Ron.
You guys are the NEW heros , nobody denies that. 

[Mike DC]

        

Thanks Ron.
You guys are the NEW heros , nobody denies that.  2thumbs

[mel t]

 

[MoparMike68]

[/quote]


Hey Bob,

Perhaps the "offender" was a bit over the line but removing the posts amounts to censorship. So rather than removing the thread locking it was the right choice before things got out of hand while still allowing free expression....whether or not we all agree with it or not ?



And yes I agree with the economy re-opening with safety measures in place. Any bankrupt country will no longer be able to provide financial/medical support to it's citizens without a revenue stream. It's basic economics.




Well said,
I'm in NJ,Thanks Ron, Stay safe!  

[ACUDANUT]

Maybe we should just get back to automotive posts and continue arguing on those about whom is right and whom is wrong... 

X2

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Maybe we should just get back to automotive posts and continue arguing on those about whom is right and whom is wrong... 

But threads like this are a hell of a lot better than the dopey  "Comunicating with Martains game" or the depressing "DEPRESSION,BLUES,DARK IDEAS,,,,PLEASE ASK AND GET HELP,SOON,PLEASE"

[Mike DC]

         
Maybe Dodgecharger.com needs some kind of 'off-topic discussion' forum.  Some websites have them. 

[4cruzin]

This is a forum for "Chargers" and also may include just about anything Mopar / car related . . should stick to those topics IMO . . . 

[MoparMike68]

Things are about to stir up again   

[Nacho-RT74]

This is a forum for "Chargers" and also may include just about anything Mopar / car related . . should stick to those topics IMO . . .  

this:

       
Maybe Dodgecharger.com needs some kind of 'off-topic discussion' forum.  Some websites have them.  

where we actually are at THIS MOMENT!!!

[MoparMike68]

I'm assuming that was the point of the second comment. 

[Nacho-RT74]

just in case ( and not for Mike LOL )

[Nacho-RT74]

Thanks Ron.
You guys are the NEW heros , nobody denies that. 

so, if there is a hero, there is an emergency situation! right ?

LOL

( great job Ron, BTW )

[timmycharger]

actually it was his 1st thread as far I recall... on the rest he just posted, but didn't started those
[/quote]


Actually 4 but who's counting  



http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,137367.0.html

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,137529.0.html

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,137738.0.html

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,137748.0.html


Sorry, just being a wise ass here..  

[Nacho-RT74]

mmm I missed the two first LOL...

[Challenger340]

THAT simple act by the moderators here, in my opinion only, demonstartes not just an elevated political bias.... not just around the "political" statements being made by some.... but also as to WHO gets away with WHAT ?

IMO,
the 'thread' should NOT have nbeen locked... rather the numbskulls 'political' posts should have been erased ..... and the twit Banned !

It's NOT the "Threads" fault.... nor the valid intent within that ONE A-Hole can't participate properly ?

Hey Bob,

Perhaps the "offender" was a bit over the line but removing the posts amounts to censorship. So rather than removing the thread locking it was the right choice before things got out of hand while still allowing free expression....whether or not we all agree with it or not ?


Ron

A "Bit over the line" ?

By NOT deleting the post .... and BANNING the poster.... you have in effect granted that 'Offender' a very effective tool in exactly that... CENSORSHIP.... to get locked any thread that HE doesn't think agree's with HIS  'politics' ?
because...
the Offender now KNOWS full well that all he has to do is post up a BS Politic meme.... and get that thread LOCKED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If he doesn't agree that the USA is a 'hotspot' for COVID ?.... nor with anyone that posts a thread around personal safety ? then just don't Post right?

But NO.... you've now granted the child a "tool in the toolbox' to go "political' and get ANYTHING he doesn't agree with LOCKED !



IMO,
That's absolutely B*LLSH*T Ron

Ir someone show me where discussing personal 'safety' during a Pandemic is somehow "political" ??
or
are we also now denying that there is even a Global pandemic underway due to someone's Political beliefs ?

[Challenger340]

actually it was his 1st thread as far I recall... on the rest he just posted, but didn't started those

Actually 4 but who's counting  



http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,137367.0.html

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,137529.0.html

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,137738.0.html

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,137748.0.html


Sorry, just being a wise ass here..  
[/quote]

NONE of those are Political in any way..... they are "Off Topic discussion" about stuff other than Charger's ?

[timmycharger]

actually it was his 1st thread as far I recall... on the rest he just posted, but didn't started those

Actually 4 but who's counting  





http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,137367.0.html

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,137529.0.html

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,137738.0.html

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,137748.0.html


Sorry, just being a wise ass here..  

NONE of those are Political in any way..... they are "Off Topic discussion" about stuff other than Charger's ?
[/quote]


I respectfully disagree.  Right now in this climate, you couldn't find a more political topic to chat about.   Why not just post that the USA has the most gun related deaths in the world and see how that works out for you.. See the similarity? No? then sorry we will have to agree to disagree  

[John_Kunkel]

Hey Bob,

Perhaps the "offender" was a bit over the line

A bit over the line? Looked like a blatant red light to me.

The sticky at the head of this forum says "this is not a place to discuss politics" so I guess a meme with purely political content isn't considered "discussion". 

[Mopar Nut]

Case in point the recent thread I started called "The World Leader"

It's purpose was NOT in any way 'political'....it was meant to draw attention to a simple FACT.... that statistically as the lockdowns come off, to stay safe because the USA is now the worst epicenter Globally for COVID infections, and that people should remember that, protect themselves and stay safe !

Lets compare apples to apples, Spain is close to the size of Texas, both has comparable populations. Texas death toll from covid is less than 900, Spain has over 26,000. Spain should be washing their hands more.

Here's another, Calgary, Alberta has less than half the population of the state of Utah. Calgary, Alberta death toll from covid is up to 126 while Utah has 50. The people in Calgary, Alberta need to wash their hands and face too.

[c00nhunterjoe]

I wish i could figure out how to post cool memes on this site. I cant even get pictures to load right anymore....

[Mopar Nut]

I wish i could figure out how to post cool memes on this site. I cant even get pictures to load right anymore....

It's not too hard to post pictures, just make sure the picture size is less than 400 KB.

[Nacho-RT74]

Lets compare apples to apples, Spain is close to the size of Texas, both has comparable populations. Texas death toll from covid is less than 900, Spain has over 26,000. Spain should be washing their hands more.

Spain is a bit less of the half of Texas size, not the same size. BUT Is about density and style of life not the size of the territory. Also latin countries get more contact between ppl than anglo countries. Spain cities and towns/villages are closer one to the others also with more transportation resources ( car in Europe is not REALLY mandatory like in USA where is allmost a need ). Texas gets maybe 2 or 3 main and large cities while the population in Spain, even still with 4 or 5 main cities is more spreaded out and somehow more uniform along the country than Texas. Also Spain lives thanks to the tourism which pushes the person to person contact even more, while Texas no. So... as you say, is true, we need to compare apples with apples

[Mopar Nut]

Lets compare apples to apples, Spain is close to the size of Texas, both has comparable populations. Texas death toll from covid is less than 900, Spain has over 26,000. Spain should be washing their hands more.

Spain is a bit less of the half of Texas size, not the same size. BUT Is about density and style of life not the size of the territory. Also latin countries get more contact between ppl than anglo countries. Spain cities and towns/villages are closer one to the others also with more transportation resources ( car in Europe is not REALLY mandatory like in USA where is allmost a need ). Texas gets maybe 2 or 3 main and large cities while the population in Spain, even still with 4 or 5 main cities is more spreaded out and somehow more uniform along the country than Texas. Also Spain lives from tourism, while Texas no. So... as you say, is true, we need to compare apples with apples

So, you're saying 26,000 deaths in Spain is less than 884 deaths in Texas with comparable populations? Just because the U.S. is testing more doesn't make it the hot spot.

[Nacho-RT74]

I'm not saying that, just setting the differences to compare apples with apples. You can't compare Texas with Spain just by the number of ppl. There are MANY factors what makes differences on that comparision.

However we can talk about China againts USA, which could be somehow more fair. Size, population, somehow population density, somehow style of life ( no, I'm not talking about socialism, capitalism or whatever, but relationship and interaction between ppl )...

but, sorry, I don't want to discuss about this anymore.

P.S.: now compare NY and TX...

[Mopar Nut]

I'm not saying that, just setting the differences to compare apples with apples. You can't compare Texas with Spain just by the number of ppl. There are MANY factors what makes differences on that comparision.

However we can talk about China againts USA, which could be somehow more fair. Size, population, somehow population density, somehow style of life ( no, I'm not talking about socialism, capitalism or whatever, but relationship and interaction between ppl )...

but, sorry, I don't want to discuss about this anymore.

P.S.: now compare NY and TX...

That's my whole point, you can't compare a country that lies and steals other countries information with the U.S. So you want to compare New York state without New York City to the state of Texas. Because what you said " Is about density and style of life not the size of the territory". Of course New York City will have the highest population of coronavirus it's the most traveled to city in the world.

Anyway this wasn't directed toward you.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Looks like shutting people in wasn't such a good idea.



A 'shocking' two-thirds of patients recently hospitalized in NY had been staying home


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/shocking-two-thirds-patients-recently-hospitalized-ny-had-been-staying-n1201421

[XH29N0G]

Shocking indeed.

The breakdown in the article was

66%   classified as staying at own home
18%   nursing home
2%   homeless
2%   congregate
1%   jail
8%   other

Looks like jail, then homeless are the best odds. 3% missing (or maybe those were essential).  Might also be a rounding error.

I can't figure out the math.  Actually wonder what the percentage was staying at home vs essential and then a breakdown separately



Those driving muscle cars didn't even make it onto the list.

[alfaitalia]

Well it's impossible to catch it at home....so they have lied and been been out and not been careful....or have let someone else in and they have not been careful.

The UK has now topped 30,000 deaths now...making us the worst I Europe and second worst in the world...after the USA. ...nothing to be proud of I know.That's what we get for not locking down soon enough and having lots of people packed on a small island. You have about 5 times our populating but in about 38 times the space...so is bound to spread slower....but spread it will.

Makes me laugh people saying it's the democrats who want the lockdown to minimise Trump's chances of getting it. Our oposition party's are complaining we did not lock down soon enough and that we need to stay locked in for longer (I've not been to work and barely left the house since 24 March....but it's paying off at last)....but we have no elections due for at least 3 years....it's just what happens when you are the opposing party. At least they are "sort" of trying to work together for the good of the people. I really hope to be back at work by the end of May....might go mad otherwise.

[Kern Dog]

Thanks Ron.
You guys are the NEW heros , nobody denies that. 

so, if there is a hero, there is an emergency situation! right ?

LOL

( great job Ron, BTW )

How about this....
The Firefighters and EMTs only respond to calls, they don't create the problem....whether it is an overblown, exaggerated, media manipulated "crisis with a 95-98% survival rate or not.
They are there to help people, not to judge how they got themselves into a life threatening situation.
This is still a very partisan subject and it is very clear that the further you are to one side politically, the more likely you are to have strong opinions on the validity of the crisis and the way we are dealing with it.

[Kern Dog]

Along comes some A-Hole(and I don't use the term lightly)....  and he turns my thread into a POLITICAL FARCE by posting up POLITICAL memes....

Ya gotta realize that the individual(s) never had an original thought in their entire lives, all they can do is parrot the party line and the party line conflicts with the gist of your thread.

Original thought...
Listen up Lipshiz, I was a denier of this from the start. My words have been from the heart as I see things. Unlike SOME, I don't scare easily. I don't trust government blindly. I don't like being told what to do. I make my way and don't look to others to steer me through  or to make my important choices in life. People like me are what built America, not lazy fucks that wait for guidance , look to elected officials to tell me how to live and follow every bullshit rule, law and ordinance that they put forth. Capitalism and determination built this country. The opposition is trying to ruin that.
A new report has shown that 2/3 of the newest cases in New York are from people that STAYED HOME.
This virus rarely kills the strong. It kills the weak, people that were teetering on the edge already. I am not saying that they deserved to die but to put the world on pause for something that was going to happen anyway...was a foolish move. For those that swallow every story that the media puts out, one common report spoke of how the "social distancing" was meant to flatten the curve, not eliminate it. Read that again if you are too slow to have understood it the first time. In short, it means that the area within the curve is the same but the duration of the curve is longer. This was supposedly meant to reduce the chance of the hospitals being overwhelmed.  We have seen how hospitals are virtual ghost towns in 98% of the country.

Have you seen this?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/shocking-two-thirds-patients-recently-hospitalized-ny-had-been-staying-n1201421

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Looks like jail, then homeless are the best odds.

It's a good thing that authorities in some states let criminals out of jail and San Francisco is giving bums weed, drugs and alcohol to battle the corona-cooties. 3% combined are such horrible odds for those poor souls.    


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/us/coronavirus-jail-inmates-released.html

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/SF-providing-medications-alcohol-cannabis-to-15251350.php

[b5blue]

Along comes some A-Hole(and I don't use the term lightly)....  and he turns my thread into a POLITICAL FARCE by posting up POLITICAL memes....

Ya gotta realize that the individual(s) never had an original thought in their entire lives, all they can do is parrot the party line and the party line conflicts with the gist of your thread.

Original thought...
Listen up Lipshiz, I was a denier of this from the start. My words have been from the heart as I see things. Unlike SOME, I don't scare easily. I don't trust government blindly. I don't like being told what to do. I make my way and don't look to others to steer me through  or to make my important choices in life. People like me are what built America, not lazy fucks that wait for guidance , look to elected officials to tell me how to live and follow every bullshit rule, law and ordinance that they put forth. Capitalism and determination built this country. The opposition is trying to ruin that.
A new report has shown that 2/3 of the newest cases in New York are from people that STAYED HOME.
This virus rarely kills the strong. It kills the weak, people that were teetering on the edge already. I am not saying that they deserved to die but to put the world on pause for something that was going to happen anyway...was a foolish move. For those that swallow every story that the media puts out, one common report spoke of how the "social distancing" was meant to flatten the curve, not eliminate it. Read that again if you are too slow to have understood it the first time. In short, it means that the area within the curve is the same but the duration of the curve is longer. This was supposedly meant to reduce the chance of the hospitals being overwhelmed.  We have seen how hospitals are virtual ghost towns in 98% of the country.

Have you seen this?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/shocking-two-thirds-patients-recently-hospitalized-ny-had-been-staying-n1201421

yap yap yap yap

[Kern Dog]

Watch who you alienate. It could become a problem for you.

[ACUDANUT]

Watch who you alienate. It could become a problem for you.

Yep, I am done with Politics here.

[XH29N0G]

Thanks for the info.  I think I'll sign up for some of that weed.  





All, the 66% isn't the number we want. The key is in the denominator (no denominatrix jokes OK) Ba

We should be comparing compare x_{_sick_stayed_home}/x_{_stayed_home} with x_{_sick_essential}/x_{_essential}
but all we got was

x_{_sick_stayed_home}/total_{_sick} which is the % sick that stayed home = 66%

I'll tell you what, I really wouldn't be writing this stuff if (a) I had that weed and (b) I weren't going bat shit nuts at home.  

PS Those aliens are communicating with the martians.

[mel t]

Thanks, wanker.

[Mike DC]

(Assuming it's really that simple) . . . Why was the world economy subject to getting taken down by one person's prediction?

Why are govts unable to put the economy in neutral (temporarily) without causing all this ruckus in the first place?   

We've heard those stats for years:  "60% of Americans cannot handle a $400 emergency" etc.  Well, umm, here's that emergency.   

My point is, so much of the fallout from this was avoidable.  Our whole society/economy is not prepared to handle the slightest emergency. 



As for the quarantine -

This disease is such a different threat level depending on the circumstances.  In an under-staffed NYC nursing home it's the apocalypse.  In a small-town Texas high school it doesn't even exist.

We all knew this going in.  The difference was totally predicted 2 months ago.  But still, it's surprising how dramatic the difference has turned out to be.  This Covid is not behaving like a normal flu.  The scientists are flying by the seat of their pants here.  They've never had good reliable info on what's happening.   


I doubt the total death toll is very under-reported.  (Yeah, it's inaccurate.  But there are factors skewing it both ways.)   From there, the logical conclusion is that the quarantine has done a very good job of slowing down the outbreak.   That's the only way to square the known death toll with the known facts about the disease.   

But I agree the country is full of states/areas where they could let up the quarantine without killing a lot more people. 

Was it an over-reaction?  In some areas, probably.  In other areas not at all.


 
The economy will re-open soon because the corporate state is getting tired of waiting.  When the lockdown started they were given a nice big wad of taxpayer money to tide them over.  But that was over a month ago and they are getting impatient.  They call the shots in Washington. 

Some politicians are protesting the plans to reopen but that's mostly bullshit.  I doubt they would cross their big donors and take serious action against it.  They will act furious on TV news clips and then quietly fall in line behind closed doors. 

[Kern Dog]

Wow...I'm happy to report that I agree with you, Mike.
Glad to see that there is common ground to share. 

[mel t]

Agree, very well said.

[Mike DC]

Thanks.   


Sometimes we get all het-up about our differences.  But IMO we mostly agree on a lot of things in the big picture. 

[Nacho-RT74]

the over reaction about the lockdown/quarantine/virus is just like the over reaction after the 9/11. As I said and not just once, I have to pass same safety controls at a local airport in southamerica to make a local flight than traveling to USA, but the attacks were in USA, so, why I have to be on that position If I'm not going to USA ?. Well, is the same than this lockdown. You see how things change depending on the perpective and point of view ?

That's what I posted about think on the differences between Texas and NY ( state, not city ), like the comparision being made between Spain and Texas. But then compare USA and China. We are all on the same boat, but not everybody reachs the lifeboats ( think on the Titanic and who got saved, 1st class ppl, mostly )

That's the only I have being discussing since the begining. Everything changes depending on where you are and you have to be open minded to accept the rest of stages and situations around the world. You can't be selfish and need to be empathic.

The first reaction will be and must be STOP EVERYBODY.... then analize and react according to the different situation in the world, but is a need to stop first to make the analysis. And thats was late to many countries, including Spain, Italy, USA, UK... but why ? because even we knew the problem in China, we never thought the virus was to be spreaded so fast, even less after the MERS or SARS experiencies, which never got spreaded because the way viruses acts are diff. Around 2 weeks being pasive in your body untill get the simpthoms ( if you ever do ). That's what COVID-19 is, somehow like a troyan virus, something the MERS, SARS, EBOLA weren't when they appeared.

Even in China, the lockdown was balanced according to the cases. Not every city or region in China got the lockdown like it was on Wuhan region.

[Nacho-RT74]

Now, Europe is trying to get fast into the "back to normal" stage... what kind of normality ? If I'm gonna get a normality but with limits preffer to be in a full lockdown maybe one month more untill be sure will get a REAL normal stage. I don't want to be in a beach with ropes on wood poles around marking limits to where I must be, or maybe a turn ticket to get into the water. I don't want to drink a beer on a bar with a plastic screen in front of me... that's not normal!!! is a false normality.

You can't push the situation just because we need to open the shops with the risk of a second virus wave which could make longer the lockdown later. More bussines can get bankrupts in the way if by mistake we push this just trying to speed up the "normality" and a second wave floats on.

Damn, after all this sacrifice, preffer hold it couple of weeks or a month more and be in a normal stage for real.

today is the 75th Aniversary of the WWII end in Europe... If we survived to 5 years of destruction and Europe ( and the world ) raised up after that, we can hold this a bit more of 3 or 4 months being just rational and not passional by politics or economics reasons.


on a Car related comparision: You can't wax and buff out your paint and clear finish until gets dried and hardened. So just wait the process and time to wax and buff propperly.

[greycharger]

Watch who you alienate. It could become a problem for you.

Name calling, condescension, and threats are not appropriate. 

[John_Kunkel]

Along comes some A-Hole(and I don't use the term lightly)....  and he turns my thread into a POLITICAL FARCE by posting up POLITICAL memes....

Ya gotta realize that the individual(s) never had an original thought in their entire lives, all they can do is parrot the party line and the party line conflicts with the gist of your thread.

Original thought...
Listen up Lipshiz, I was a denier of this from the start. My words have been from the heart as I see things.

Funny how 100% of your words follow the party line 100%.

To prove your point, I suggest you spend more time in jammed public places with no mask, kiss everybody you meet, lick every door knob, shake every hand to show your resolve.

[mel t]

https://youtu.be/QcUAG6t5aN8
Very funny and all true.

[Kern Dog]

To prove your point, I suggest you spend more time in jammed public places with no mask, kiss everybody you meet, lick every door knob, shake every hand to show your resolve.

Nah, I don't hang out in gay bars as you are apt to do. I have no interest in man to man sex.
That is your thing, man....not mine.

[Kern Dog]

Funny how 100% of your words follow the party line 100%.

Party line or not, my opinions and actions make sense to me.

Americans.... We don't like being told what to do. We have a constitution that lays out our freedoms and limitations on government control. Anyone that takes the time to read the amendments would be pissed to see what these asshole politicians are doing to us. It is not legal to quarantine healthy people, are you aware of that?
I see idiots wearing masks while driving alone. I see jerkoffs wearing gloves all day...the same pair. None of this makes sense. The politicians and the CDC are clowns. The information is back and forth so often, its as if they are throwing darts at a wall in terms of decision making. This whole event truly shows that all governments are clueless and basically worthless to many of us  in a dire emergency...,YET another reason to NOT rely on them for anything unless you have no other choice. It is rarely the smart and productive that look to the government for help except when that same government bends you over by closing your small business but allows the BIG stores to remain open. You think a virus (REAL or imagined) knows the difference between Costco or Ma and Pa's corner store? IF it is real, it will get you anywhere.
This is very much a left VS right issue. Politico ran an article on how the left is far more likely to follow the governments suggestions to shelter in place and wear masks while the right is more resistant and unwilling to accept the mandates or restrictions. I agree with their findings.

[John_Kunkel]

Funny how 100% of your words follow the party line 100%.

Party line or not, my opinions and actions make sense to me.

I doubt it. More likely scenario is when you heard your man-god call the virus a Democratic hoax, you had your mind set and marching orders.

[Troy]

I locked it. I don't have the time these days to follow every idiotic post in real time. If I could trust adults to have grown up conversations there would be no need to declare politics off limits. However, since I can't, why don't you all help me out and just avoid riling up the children? Like it or not, this is a political topic.

Troy