Thoughts on this 1970 R/T Survivor

[kevink]

What are your thought on this 1970 R/T Survivor? How do you think she looks with the Red and White combo?

[kevink]

A few more pictures

[John Milner]

I like it.  The red and white look sharp together.  70's are a great looking car.

[kevink]

What are these car selling for currently? I know the asking price are high but what are they actually selling for?

[70gtx440dana]

What are your thought on this 1970 R/T Survivor? How do you think she looks with the Red and White combo?

Love it!

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Nice looking car. How about some details.

[6pkrtse]

I like it. Never a big fan of the longitudinal stripes but it works on this car and with the white top breaks up all that red nicely.

[DAY CLONA]

Nice color combo... much more pleasing than green (f8)brown or gold...

[70 sublime]

Any toys on it ?
4 speed
Air conditioning
6 pack ??

There is a nice blue 70 R/T up here ( Canada ) that has been restored and asking $70 000 that does not seem to be selling very fast

How much is the red car worth ?
Depends why it is for sale  

If you went and knocked on his house door and asked how much will you take vs is it sitting at the end of the drive way with a for sale sign on it

If it is all original and nice shape he could ask $75 K and wait till someone comes along
OR
Need the cash as want a different toy or pay some bills might take $50 K if you were standing there with the money

A lot will also depend on how the owner got the car themselves
Did they get it from a family member that passed away or remember paying big bucks for it 2 years ago just because they had to have it

My 

[chargervert]

That is a pretty car! Sweet!

[69bronzeT5]

Love it 

[myk]

Nice car.  I'd lose the stripes and the body colored tail panel but that's it....

[darbgnik]

I like it. Never a big fan of the longitudinal stripes but it works on this car and with the white top breaks up all that red nicely.

That would be the downside of buying an actual nice survivor, they're only new once.....

Even something as simple as removing the longitudinal stripes, if you didn't care for them. I'd be conflicted about it. 

[Hard Charger]

Like it.
stripes and all. I'm done with perfect cars.

....for the right price

[F8-4life]

I like the combo and strip. Defiantly a stand out color for 1970.

[gtx6970]

Worth depends  A LOT on the  details , need more info.

I know of a couple 1970 Charger RT sales recently, neither was cheap

[kevink]

It is a Automatic with A/C. The transmission was replaced in 1976. So, not sure that it still qualifies as a survivor? Everything else is as it was when it rolled off the showroom floor.

[kevink]

Here is the bad! Only rust I have found. Both sides on rear valance and behind drivers wheel. Cars is showing 14,426 miles. Never a rebuild.

[1970Moparmann]

I REALLY miss my Plumb Crazy 70 RT...   I had a F8 Green on green on green that had the longitude stripes on it.   Looks better on red in my opinion.

[VegasCharger]

Nice

Looks like your last pic is upside down.

Fixed it for you.

[70 sublime]

Did the owner give you any idea on a price they were looking for to get out of it ?

[kevink]

$40k to $45k is where they want to be

[myk]

Here is the bad! Only rust I have found. Both sides on rear valance and behind drivers wheel. Cars is showing 14,426 miles. Never a rebuild.

14K miles?  Wow...

[Mytur Binsdirti]

$40k to $45k is where they want to be

"$40k to $45k is where they want to be" means they'll take 40K. If I were you I'd wave 37K cash in their face and have anther 3 grand with you if they don't budge on the 40K number.

[kevink]

I am thinking it's 114,000 miles

[1970Moparmann]

I am thinking it's 114,000 miles

Most likely.  I would get that question asked first.   If it is 14k, I would go there with $45k.

[kevink]

It is 114,000. What does this do to the price?

[1970Moparmann]

If it was 14k, much more desirable for the purist.  Since it is 114k, still a really nice car, but has had parts changed out over the years.  Two different cases for sure.   Based on what prices have been, the owner isn't out of line with the asking price.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Actually, the odometer reads 11,408.3.

[chargervert]

I believe that 90% original paint is what is needed to be considered a true survivor,so if it were my car,I would swap out the rear valence,and touch up the quarter at the wheel lip. I would hang the original valence on the garage wall.

[Nacho-RT74]

Actually, the odometer reads 11,408.3.

I'm wondering now if ppl really knows how to read their clusters now



if that's with the odometer, I can't imagine the ammeter deal!!!! then everything gets burnt and is ammeter fault!

sorry guys, but I think you need to pay more attention!

[Nacho-RT74]

Oh and about the car! GREEEEEEAT! aparently easy to fresh it up. Of course will find more trying to fix that area ( like the trunk extensions ), but seems to be fairly easy.

I dunno if I like the 70 pinstripe, but sure I would keep it on a car like this. But the red tailpanel ?.... I think would black it out! can't decide... sure... if was me LOL. Were 70s optioned for a blacked out  tail panel? or just the blackout trim made the job ?

[chargervert]

All 70 Charger R / Ts have body colored tailpanels. The rear finish panel is the blackout on 70 Chargers. 68 Chargers are also body color around the tailpanel blackout treatment, only 69 Chargers have the whole tailpanel blacked out. XH code 70 Chargers the whole tailpanel is body color.

[XH29N0G]

are the wheels 15 x 7?  Car looks nice

[Kern Dog]

All 70 Charger R / Ts have body colored tailpanels. The rear finish panel is the blackout on 70 Chargers. 68 Chargers are also body color around the tailpanel blackout treatment, only 69 Chargers have the whole tailpanel blacked out. XH code 70 Chargers the whole tailpanel is body color.

Like this :

[6bblgt]

I am thinking it's 114,000 miles

(111,400 miles)

any pics of a mint original POLYGLAS & wheel in the trunk? what's the engine compartment look like?

[VegasCharger]

Okay going by the odometer pic in reply #26 which reads 11,408.3 The 6th digit with a white background and a black number (in this case a three) represents a tenth of a mile. So it's a five digit odometer not 6. So this car either has the following miles:

11,408.3
111,408.3
211,408.3
311,408.3
etc.

[70 sublime]

Did the owner ever say how long they have owned the car ?

Take a look at the rubber section of the carpet by the driver's feet
See if there is a dent worn in where your heel sits when your foot is on the gas pedal or if the corner is worn off the brake pedal rubber
That will help tell you how far it has been driven also

[Wakko]

There are other indicators as to if the car has 11k or 111k.  General wear on surfaces like the steering wheel, brake/accelerator pads, seat, etc.  How's the steering?  Should be tight without giant globs of good all over the fittings and boots.  If you REALLY want to go for the gusto, and for 45k I would, take a look inside the motor.  Easy to do with a lighted scope and check the cylinder walls for cross hatch.  The car is definitely clean, and the rust wouldn't scare me away. 

[XH29N0G]

I also think the odometer has rolled over. No specific proof.  It wouldn't stop me.  I asked about the wheels because the pictures look like 15 x 8 on the rear, unless I a missing something with the trim rings and depth from the photos.  If it is being sold as a really low mile car, i would look much more closely because you don't know what you will find  I would also suspect that every bit of documentation would also be present because people don't usually keep mileage that low for that long without keeping those.  I also would be suspicious of the rust, which is another thing people would look out for.  I still think it is a nice car.

[Wakko]

I think you're right...those back wheels look pretty fat.

[Nacho-RT74]

All 70 Charger R / Ts have body colored tailpanels. The rear finish panel is the blackout on 70 Chargers. 68 Chargers are also body color around the tailpanel blackout treatment, only 69 Chargers have the whole tailpanel blacked out. XH code 70 Chargers the whole tailpanel is body color.

ok...  so 68s and 70s got a trim panel making the black out and 69s got a painted black tail panel and with molding around ( aside the bumper on bottom ).

nice!

[Nacho-RT74]

I wouldn't stop on what odometer says... being 11K 111K or even 211K, is still a low miles for a 50+ years car on those nice conditions.

[70B5Cuda]

Good looking car! Id say its worth 40-45K all day. My R6 69 survivor was in very similar condition (but was 383-2bbl) and I turned down multiple offers of $40K.

[chargervert]

Survivor Chargers are few and far between. I had the chance to buy a similar B5 and black 70 Charger R/T SE with 32k original miles years ago,I have always regretted not buying that car. I do believe they command a premium price wise,and this car is priced fairly.

[cdr]

All 70 Charger R / Ts have body colored tailpanels. The rear finish panel is the blackout on 70 Chargers. 68 Chargers are also body color around the tailpanel blackout treatment, only 69 Chargers have the whole tailpanel blacked out. XH code 70 Chargers the whole tailpanel is body color.

ok...  so 68s and 70s got a trim panel making the black out and 69s got a painted black tail panel and with molding around ( aside the bumper on bottom ).

nice!

68, 69 had painted tail panel

[ACUDANUT]

111 K car all day long

[odcics2]

Actually, the odometer reads 11,408.3.

this.

[Wakko]

111 K car all day long

That much money?

[chargervert]

All 70 Charger R / Ts have body colored tailpanels. The rear finish panel is the blackout on 70 Chargers. 68 Chargers are also body color around the tailpanel blackout treatment, only 69 Chargers have the whole tailpanel blacked out. XH code 70 Chargers the whole tailpanel is body color.

ok...  so 68s and 70s got a trim panel making the black out and 69s got a painted black tail panel and with molding around ( aside the bumper on bottom ).

nice!

68, 69 had painted tail panel

As I stated 68 Chargers were body color outside of the blackout area. 69 Chargers were the only ones where the whole tailpanel was blacked out.70 Chargers were all painted body color, and the finish panel had the blackout on it.XH code 70 Chargers had no finish panel on them,they were painted body color, and used the same Charger emblem script with the arrow, and used the same chrome trim around the taillight lenses as 69 Chargers did. Even though the taillights will interchange, and look almost the same,the 70 Charger taillights have a reflector in the lense,and 69 Chargers have a flat silver accent stripe painted on the lenses that 70 Chargers do not have.

[cdr]

All 70 Charger R / Ts have body colored tailpanels. The rear finish panel is the blackout on 70 Chargers. 68 Chargers are also body color around the tailpanel blackout treatment, only 69 Chargers have the whole tailpanel blacked out. XH code 70 Chargers the whole tailpanel is body color.

ok...  so 68s and 70s got a trim panel making the black out and 69s got a painted black tail panel and with molding around ( aside the bumper on bottom ).

nice!

68, 69 had painted tail panel

As I stated 68 Chargers were body color outside of the blackout area. 69 Chargers were the only ones where the whole tailpanel was blacked out.70 Chargers were all painted body color, and the finish panel had the blackout on it.XH code 70 Chargers had no finish panel on them,they were painted body color, and used the same Charger emblem script with the arrow, and used the same chrome trim around as 69 Chargers did. E en though the taillights will interchange, and look almost the same,the 70 Charger taillights have a reflector in the lense,and 69 Chargers have a flat silver accent stripe painted on the lenses that 70 Chargers do not have.

I was not arguing with you Chargervert

[Kern Dog]

All 70 Charger R / Ts have body colored tailpanels. The rear finish panel is the blackout on 70 Chargers. 68 Chargers are also body color around the tailpanel blackout treatment, only 69 Chargers have the whole tailpanel blacked out. XH code 70 Chargers the whole tailpanel is body color.

ok...  so 68s and 70s got a trim panel making the black out and 69s got a painted black tail panel and with molding around ( aside the bumper on bottom ).

nice!

The entire body is painted one color. The "blackout" is done to this aluminum panel:

[1970Moparmann]

Survivor Chargers are few and far between. I had the chance to buy a similar B5 and black 70 Charger R/T SE with 32k original miles years ago,I have always regretted not buying that car. I do believe they command a premium price wise,and this car is priced fairly.

[Nacho-RT74]

All 70 Charger R / Ts have body colored tailpanels. The rear finish panel is the blackout on 70 Chargers. 68 Chargers are also body color around the tailpanel blackout treatment, only 69 Chargers have the whole tailpanel blacked out. XH code 70 Chargers the whole tailpanel is body color.

ok...  so 68s and 70s got a trim panel making the black out and 69s got a painted black tail panel and with molding around ( aside the bumper on bottom ).

nice!

The entire body is painted one color. The "blackout" is done to this aluminum panel:

yeap, I got it

[Nacho-RT74]

All 70 Charger R / Ts have body colored tailpanels. The rear finish panel is the blackout on 70 Chargers. 68 Chargers are also body color around the tailpanel blackout treatment, only 69 Chargers have the whole tailpanel blacked out. XH code 70 Chargers the whole tailpanel is body color.

ok...  so 68s and 70s got a trim panel making the black out and 69s got a painted black tail panel and with molding around ( aside the bumper on bottom ).

nice!

68, 69 had painted tail panel

As I stated 68 Chargers were body color outside of the blackout area. 69 Chargers were the only ones where the whole tailpanel was blacked out.70 Chargers were all painted body color, and the finish panel had the blackout on it.XH code 70 Chargers had no finish panel on them,they were painted body color, and used the same Charger emblem script with the arrow, and used the same chrome trim around as 69 Chargers did. E en though the taillights will interchange, and look almost the same,the 70 Charger taillights have a reflector in the lense,and 69 Chargers have a flat silver accent stripe painted on the lenses that 70 Chargers do not have.

I was not arguing with you Chargervert

I got what you meant... the blackout is on 68s painted like 69s, just with more trim around to separate the color section from the blackout section on tail panel itself. Thanks!

I thought initially 68s got a panel like 70s but larger.

[ACUDANUT]

111 K car all day long

That much money?

Miles

[Wakko]

Miles

I was kidding.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Black tail panels matter.

[ACUDANUT]

Black tail panels matter.

LOL

[Wakko]

Did you buy it?

[MoparMike68]

I like it. Never a big fan of the longitudinal stripes but it works on this car and with the white top breaks up all that red nicely.

That would be the downside of buying an actual nice survivor, they're only new once.....

Even something as simple as removing the longitudinal stripes, if you didn't care for them. I'd be conflicted about it. 

Very well said i like to pick my options Btw your car rocks!

[kevink]

I actually passed on the car. What was supposed to be an Arizona car turned out to have been bought in Texas but had a Minnesota title. Rust was a little more than I expected. Nice car still but he was stuck at $45k I offered $40k.

[MoparMike68]

I actually passed on the car. What was supposed to be an Arizona car turned out to have been bought in Texas but had a Minnesota title. Rust was a little more than I expected. Nice car still but he was stuck at $45k I offered $40k.

You would be surprised how many people think their car is rust free I did until it was blasted
Then I was like holy sh*t! 

[captaindodge]

Nice car.  I'd lose the stripes and the body colored tail panel but that's it....

Yes I think the longitudinal strip looks lost and too thin. I would like to see it with a Batmobile style side stripe. (red on black) 

[XH29N0G]

I actually passed on the car. What was supposed to be an Arizona car turned out to have been bought in Texas but had a Minnesota title. Rust was a little more than I expected. Nice car still but he was stuck at $45k I offered $40k.

You would be surprised how many people think their car is rust free I did until it was blasted
Then I was like holy sh*t! 

That what I was told, was rust free until it was blasted, then floor pans looked like swiss cheese. 

Never could figure out why the blasting would cause all that rust.