1971 wingcars for sale. Time to cash out?

[odcics2]

Saw this link on another site this morning. 

https://www.revmusclecars.com/vehicles

[Mytur Binsdirti]

The 64 dollar question is; how much are one man's vision of what never was really worth?   

[chargervert]

I guess the market will determine what the values of them are. They were built from the factory wind tunnel testing reports, not just something that someone thought up on their own.  This stuff was in the planning process, until Nascar pulled the plug on the aero cars.  The other two cars were also built from factory photos out of the styling studios.  As for the GTX convertible, it was a next generation take on my Charger convertible, so the market will be what someone is willing to pay, as is the green restomod, but resto mods are really strong right now. One thing I do know for sure is that Gary has a number for each car,and that is what it will take to buy them.  Gary and Pam, want to focus more on racing, and have a new land speed funny car project in the works. They also bought a new Hellcat Challenger Redeye widebody, and it's easier to maintain and insured a modern car that does everything the old school cars do plus. They are also selling their 96 Viper GTS too,and just sold the Buick GNX that they bought new in 87.

[odcics2]

As I posted on another site, the 1971 wing cars were inferior to the 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona.

The 1971 and later "A" pillar design is not as good as the 68 - 70 B Bodies.

With a nose putting more air over the car, that's more air being disturbed on the 71 and later cars.

Rear glass angle is also another sore spot on the '71 and later cars....

[chargervert]

I am seeing it more and more these days, people are selling off their old cars. Tony D just sold off a bunch, Todd Warner sold off a bunch of them too. The Wellborns sold off a few as well. I think Gary and Pam, enjoyed building them more than driving them, as far as the street cars go. I think they have decided that they get more use out of the purpose built racecars. I have sold off 10 project cars myself in the last two years, and I am getting a couple more of them ready to sell this year.  My issue is a bit different than those guys who are selling off their done show cars, I am realizing that I have too many projects and they probably won't get done in the amount of time that I have left.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

I am seeing it more and more these days, people are selling off their old cars. Tony D just sold off a bunch, Todd Warner sold off a bunch of them too. The Wellborns sold off a few as well.

The museum quality cars are being sold off, but it is very difficult to find high quality & correct correct #2 68-70 Chargers that one can actually drive a couple thousand miles per year and enjoy. 

[Ghoste]

I don't know about that.  The museum cars might be getting press but I have been seeing a lot of collections of everything coming to auction lately.  The trend I am noticing has been that someone gets some health scare so he unloads them all.

[Ghoste]

As I posted on another site, the 1971 wing cars were inferior to the 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona.

The 1971 and later "A" pillar design is not as good as the 68 - 70 B Bodies.

With a nose putting more air over the car, that's more air being disturbed on the 71 and later cars.

Rear glass angle is also another sore spot on the '71 and later cars....

Which is interesting because the 71 just "looks" so much more aerodynamic.

[DAY CLONA]

 The trend I am noticing has been that someone gets some health scare so he unloads them all.

or divorce  ....

[B54SPEED]

375K For the Charger

[Aero426]

I am seeing it more and more these days, people are selling off their old cars. Tony D just sold off a bunch, Todd Warner sold off a bunch of them too. The Wellborns sold off a few as well. I think Gary and Pam, enjoyed building them more than driving them, as far as the street cars go. I think they have decided that they get more use out of the purpose built racecars. I have sold off 10 project cars myself in the last two years, and I am getting a couple more of them ready to sell this year.  My issue is a bit different than those guys who are selling off their done show cars, I am realizing that I have too many projects and they probably won't get done in the amount of time that I have left.

I think it's a function of the market being about as good as it is going to get.   You're seeing some big collectors moving quietly towards the exits.   There's more to come.

   

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[Ghoste]

 The trend I am noticing has been that someone gets some health scare so he unloads them all.

or divorce  ....

Personally, I noticed the divorce ones more a few years back.  I still that with single car consignments but the collections seem to be coming more from health driven issues.  We always saw collections reach a point where guys would get out of them and then at the very next sale we would see them sitting in the front row with a bidder pass again.  Lately I see them staying out.  Could be just within our client base though.  An anomaly, not a rule.

[gtx6970]

The 64 dollar question is; how much are one man's vision of what never was really worth?   

I think these cars have a very VERY unique market , and Unique doesn't always equate back to big money.
Me personally think they are uglier than sin.     But that's just MY opinion .

[chargervert]

People thought the same thing about the 69 Daytona, the 70 Superbird, and 71 Hemi Cuda convertibles too,try to buy one now.

[odcics2]

People thought the same thing about the 69 Daytona, the 70 Superbird, and 71 Hemi Cuda convertibles too,try to buy one now.

I'm sure there are guys that have 10 average muscle cars in a collection that say they can't afford a real wing car...
But, sell off some of the collection and you'd have enough.   

[white]

Now is the time to buy that car that you have always wanted, a new generation is buying up all the cars and will be holding on to them for 20 plus years.

[odcics2]

These will be hot, especially for guys on the coast. 
Drop a hemi in it and GO!     

[chargervert]

Gary and Pam have proven that the areo package does work on the third generation B bodies at over 200 mph,with their race versions of the G SERIES wingcars.Gary says the street cars are very stable at over 140 plus mph. These cars run and drive as good as they look.

[odcics2]

Gary and Pam have proven that the areo package does work on the third generation B bodies at over 200 mph,with their race versions of the G SERIES wingcars.Gary says the street cars are very stable at over 140 plus mph. These cars run and drive as good as they look.

The #88 Engineering Daytona ran over 200 with a 575 HP Nascar spec engine. (1970 specs)

Any idea how much HP the engines in these aero cars put out?

[chargervert]

The street cars are around 525 or so. The racecar went 208 in the standing mile not on an oval track.no making laps to get up to speed.

[odcics2]

The street cars are around 525 or so. The racecar went 208 in the standing mile not on an oval track.no making laps to get up to speed.

And what HP did the racecar have?

[chargervert]

No one is questioning the provinance of the 88 car! I am saying that the same people who designed that car designed the third generation B body wingcars as well,and while the 69 Daytona was the best aero package the Superbird and the 3rd generation wingcars were very close in coefficient of drag,and I am sure had the program continued that the numbers would have been within spec. Gary researched the documents and picked the configuration that worked the best for each car,and made the 3/8 scale cars come to life in full scale form,in both street and race trim. No one else stepped up and did it. This is not a competition between the wing cars for some kind of supremacy award. He just picked up the ball where the engineers left off and made the rest of the story come to life in full scale. The people who did the wind tunnel testing of the 3rd generation 3/8 scale B body wingcars were able to be involved in the wind tunnel testing of the third generation full scale B body wingcars and were very happy to see their work come to full scale fruition. No one is rewriting the story here,rather it's more like filling in the final pieces of the areo cars story.

[odcics2]

No one is questioning the provinance of the 88 car! I am saying that the same people who designed that car designed the third generation B body wingcars as well,and while the 69 Daytona was the best aero package the Superbird and the 3rd generation wingcars were very close in coefficient of drag,and I am sure had the program continued that the numbers would have been within spec. Gary researched the documents and picked the configuration that worked the best for each car,and made the 3/8 scale cars come to life in full scale form,in both street and race trim. No one else stepped up and did it. This is not a competition between the wing cars for some kind of supremacy award. He just picked up the ball where the engineers left off and made the rest of the story come to life in full scale. The people who did the wind tunnel testing of the 3rd generation 3/8 scale B body wingcars were able to be involved in the wind tunnel testing of the third generation full scale B body wingcars and were very happy to see their work come to full scale fruition. No one is rewriting the story here,rather it's more like filling in the final pieces of the areo cars story.

Just asked a simple HP question... Sorry to ruffle your feathers.

The 69 Daytona was done before Gary Romberg got involved.
He did work on the race cars in 1970, helping to get the cooling better.
His baby was the still born 1971 wing car program. 
I always thought the 71 cars with the complete aero front end was cool.
The front end started to drop over the front wheels, instead of just adding a cone on production fenders.
The complete aero front end involved new fenders, hood, rad support, radiator, lower nose, bubbled rear glass into a short deck lid, etc.   
Couldn't do it because of cost. 

[chargervert]

I don't know what the 71 Charger racecars horsepower is in its current configuration, but the 71 Plymouth has a used RP5 engine in it,and by used,I mean it was raced in a cup car at nine grand for a whole race.

[djcarguy]

  Whats the name or info,on that land speed track or runway,they run on ?? seem to recall starts with a L an is northeast-ish USA ? have seen utube of the 3rd gen running ,but its been awhile.  cant the nascar engines be tuned for 750-850 HP ,iirc   I like these 3rd gens,an other old race cars,with wings..

[Mytur Binsdirti]

That would be Loring AF Base near Caribou Maine

[odcics2]

The "1971" Dodge Daytona race car HP was.... (drum roll, please)

"Powered by a 980 horsepower/ 860 ft.lbs torque Indy Hemi, the car ran 190 mph in its debut at Maxton, North Carolina. Beineke crew is using a Moser Engineering stamped 8 3/4″ rearend with Trutrac and 2.76 gears to spin the rear wheels."  

As mentioned before they did improve on that to run 208 mph.

[chargervert]

That run was the debut run of the car with the standard street type front spoiler,Pam has gone faster than the 208 in that car. We are hoping to see you repeat the 200 MPH lap in the 88 car for the 50th anniversary of Buddy Bakers legendary run sometime soon.

[odcics2]

That run was the debut run of the car with the standard street type front spoiler,Pam has gone faster than the 208 in that car. We are hoping to see you repeat the 200 MPH lap in the 88 car for the 50th anniversary of Buddy Bakers legendary run sometime soon.

Car is in paint now.