Old lights at night.

[73chgrSE]

This is what I used for less than $100. They are much better than stock. Easy install.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/5-3-4-Halogen-Semi-Sealed-Beam-Headlight-Conversion-Headlamp-60-55W-H4-Bulbs-/232524986465

Were they just plug in and go or did you change anything else?

[4cruzin]

c00nhunterjoe:  where might I find such a relay harness?  I know just enough to be dangerous and I don't want to wreck my original lightswitch.

This guys harness seems pretty good:
https://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/threads/plug-and-play-headlight-relay-kits.166762/

This family is making the harnesses and have good reviews from many members on multiple forums.  I'm considering buyer a few upgrades myself as my lights dim a lot at night when I let off the gas . . .

[lloyd3]

Certainly a lot cheaper, that is until you fry something.

[krops cars]

bakerhillpins I believe cooling units for headlights are projector style.

[lloyd3]

OK, dash question.  Those little brown-plastic bulb sockets that turn into the circuit-board of the dash generally break after being disturbed for the 1st time in 50-years. The little legs that hold them in generally snap off. Are those available somewhere?

[lloyd3]

Answered my own question...

https://www.ebay.com/i/223479280017?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=223479280017&targetid=596465894788&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9028763&poi=&campaignid=6470719577&mkgroupid=81597521270&rlsatarget=pla-596465894788&abcId=1140476&merchantid=8440134&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_absBRD1ARIsAO4_D3t2kn6atV3IOXXA4A_MgGa3GOzMLou-bQZ2exVr1lKjsD1X36dbk2IaAjZiEALw_wcB

[krops cars]

Cool. Didn't know what you were talking about. I have needed them years ago. Had to go through junk yards. Not no more.

[Kern Dog]

That ebay listing does show 4 lenses but does NOT verbally state that 4 are included for the price. Is that a single unit price? I don't recall those ever being that cheap for 4 headlights.

[alfaitalia]

Clearly says "Set of 4" in the text near the bottom of the listing.

[Back N Black]

This is what I used for less than $100. They are much better than stock. Easy install.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/5-3-4-Halogen-Semi-Sealed-Beam-Headlight-Conversion-Headlamp-60-55W-H4-Bulbs-/232524986465

Were they just plug in and go or did you change anything else?

Just plug and go.

[Kern Dog]

Clearly says "Set of 4" in the text near the bottom of the listing.

Well, yeah....IF you scroll down past all the other UNrelated bullshit. I thought it was just more ads for other stuff. Strange way to compose an ad.

[chapel40]

Leave your blinkers alone or you will have to modify them to blink

[myk]

Good luck with your modifications, but honestly I don't understand the need to install retina-melting lighting capacity into any car that's just driven on the street.  I've been driving my '69 with nothing more than a Painless re-wire, 130 amp 'alt and halogen sealed bulbs and I see just fine.  I absolutely HATE newer cars and their lighting systems designed to rival the brightest stars in the solar system.  It just isn't necessary IMO...

[BLK 68 R/T]

I'm contemplating these ones. I drive mine at night quite often so if they will light up deer or anything else I don't wanna hit, and do it 25 or 50 or 100 feet sooner, I'm all for it.

https://www.octanelighting.com/product/kit5-34-stock-h4-light-bulb-headlight-6k-6000k-whiteset-of-4-5-stock-h4-6000k-hid-2?gfid=p11714-c1892932

[Kern Dog]

Good luck with your modifications, but honestly I don't understand the need to install retina-melting lighting capacity into any car that's just driven on the street.  I've been driving my '69 with nothing more than a Painless re-wire, 130 amp 'alt and halogen sealed bulbs and I see just fine.  I absolutely HATE newer cars and their lighting systems designed to rival the brightest stars in the solar system.  It just isn't necessary IMO...

No offense Myk but if we are to drive these cars at night like we do our daily drivers, it really is a good idea to upgrade the lighting. Our 2015 Challenger R/T has HID headlights and they are fantastic without blinding oncoming motorists.  We upgrade to disc brakes and 3 point seat belts, good lighting is a good idea as well.
FABO and FBBO member "Crackedback" makes a plug and play harness  and people that have installed them report very impressive results even with the stock sealed beam lights. The Hella H4 55/60 are a nice upgrade  with the Crackedback kit.  No cutting and easily reversible.
As soon as I finish my A/C and interior wiring upgrades, the headlights are on the list of future changes.

[alfaitalia]

agreed....and by the way....there is only ONE star in the "Solar System"....our Sun!!

[Kern Dog]

??

Every star in the sky represents another "Sun"......Don't you guys over there remember that from Science class ? 

[alfaitalia]

None of which are in our Solar System though....apart from the Sun.

[Kern Dog]

None of which are in our Solar System though....apart from the Sun.

Ha...go back and reread....Myk wrote THE solar system, not OUR solar system. He could have been referring to any of them. 
It is a technicality but still.....  

[alfaitalia]

Hmmm......I think you new what he meant ....as there will usually only be one "Sun" in each of the other "planetary systems" anyway (rare binary suns excepted!). When he should have said Universe!! LOL.

[grizparker]

After a couple of days of digging and getting a minor in automotive lighting, here's where I'm at...I'm still not going to really drive my car much at night. My own abilities at night are probably not what they used to be, I'm still using factory drum brakes and... nighttime traffic can be very different than daytime traffic for a number of reasons (any you can probably guess most of them). I would, however, like to have the option to do so without being at a disadvantage because of inadequate lighting (certainly by modern standards). Clearly...halogen systems require much higher voltage and amperage than the systems being used in the 60s and 70s.  To venture there requires major modifications to the wiring and charging systems of these cars. Since I really don't want to change very much (or anything!) on my car, the halogens are out for me. The LED option is what I was hoping had been developed and....lo and behold, that does indeed seem to be the case. Vintage Car LEDs appears to have created a product with somebody like me in mind.  Haven't bought anything yet but I'm liking what I'm reading and hearing so-far.  The low-beams are a direct swap for the standard 5.75-inch sealed beams, the high-beams require a minor modification of the bucket to fit, but nothing that would affect re-using stock sealed-beams. There is, evidently, no need to alter the OEM wiring or charging systems to use their products (will work down to approximately 7 volts at the bucket).  I know of at least one car here that is running this system and he seems to have nothing but positive things to say about it.  This clearly isn't the cheap solution, you'd have something like $100/light to make the change from roughly 1700 Lumens per light to 4000 plus (the high-beams may be more). I'll likely go that route in the near future, certainly before next Spring gets here. Oops..I see krops cars has responded while I was writing this.  

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I just ordered a set of the VCm3's which are lower profile to squeeze in there.  I'll try to remember to post again after I get them installed.

[darbgnik]

Only thing to remember when you start down the light upgrade path:

I haven't seen an example, at least in this thread, of a set of lights that are brighter, yet don't blind oncoming motorists for our cars.....

When you put a bright LED light in a housing designed for, or based on, a halogen or incandescent bulb you are going to blind oncoming motorists. No problem if your chances of driving at night are negligible at best, but for the few guys that drive them, it may be a concern.

Modern lights that use HID or LED bulbs from the factory are designed to have a visible and necessary cut off. Typically a shown as a straight line where the light does not shine higher than 2" below the headlight height at 25 feet. The better the line, and with it positioned properly, the less glare oncoming motorists see. Most modern versions accomplish this with projector housings as opposed to reflectors...


Everything in this thread looks like it would be blinding to others, just an FYI. If you don't care, you don't care.....

[b5blue]

Well put. I agree, soon someone will figure out a cost effective LED replacement bulb for us and they will clean up in the market.

[KurtfromLaQuinta]

Good luck with your modifications, but honestly I don't understand the need to install retina-melting lighting capacity into any car that's just driven on the street.  I've been driving my '69 with nothing more than a Painless re-wire, 130 amp 'alt and halogen sealed bulbs and I see just fine.  I absolutely HATE newer cars and their lighting systems designed to rival the brightest stars in the solar system.  It just isn't necessary IMO...

I'm kinda with you on this.
On my truck I've fooled with the headlights since I bought it 45+ years ago.
Here's an update of where they stand now...
https://ramchargercentral.com/mopar-trucks/my-'74-power-wagon-i-ordered-from-dodge-on-873/msg3478794/#msg3478794

Of course these a 7" round headlights. I need to look for an equivalent when I get my Daytona clone going because I'm really happy with this system. 

[darbgnik]

Well put. I agree, soon someone will figure out a cost effective LED replacement bulb for us and they will clean up in the market.

I would think so. In the meantime, these lights in the first link look promising, albeit pricier than the eBay options that aren't real projectors. Pricing could be kept down by buying the LED bulbs elsewhere and not selecting halos. Would have to try them to check the cut off though....

https://www.stang-aholics.com/i-27186947-69-classic-mustang-5-75-round-chrome-projector-headlight-kit.html?ref=category:1232994

These seem to be the best choice I've found, but the price is each, so at $800 for the set, they'd better be great!

https://www.raneystruckparts.com/5-75-premium-grade-led-projector-headlights/


That being said, I've paid more per light for both the 7" round LED Rigid/Truck-Lite 27270C headlights in my H1, and 7" round JW Speaker Model 8700 Evolution J2 Series headlights in her Jeep Wrangler. But those see more night and highway than the Charger ever will.....