Will Electric Cars Outsell Internal Combustion

[odcics2]

So conversely, are you saying that Crazy Conservatives are for a bad environment? 

What determines that my political party is crazy?
I am for traditional American values like gasoline burning cars, red meat, freedom from oppressive regulations, mandates and throat-choking Government. I don't like the "Progressive" movement where TV shows have to include every freak and minority member, all social programs favor the lazy over the people that play by the rules and work, illegal border crossers get welcomed instead of deported....
The green movement is embraced by the left, not the right. The left shows far more interest in electric cars than the right does. American manufacturing went overseas for many reasons, one of which was oppressive environmental regulations that do not exist elsewhere.
I am not against clean air and water. I am against rules that chase away business while having zero impact on the environment.
Globalists and leftists have become one. They would rather have America's living standard lowered to match the rest of the world than to allow us to continue to lead the way.
No thanks....I'll stay with my party despite their faults.

[cdr]

Now THIS is truth ^^^^^^^
BOTH sides are BATSHIT CRAZY

[odcics2]

Now THIS is truth ^^^^^^^
BOTH sides are BATSHIT CRAZY

[Kern Dog]

Saying the climate change is not affected by us to any degree with the evidence so overpowering is clearly ridiculous.... I too did not want to believe it......but I cant deny it now.

Saying that we as humans can influence the climate is akin to saying that the fleas on a dog can make the dog change direction.
Follow the money. For every bit of evidence that "we are affecting the planet", there is an equal amount of rebuttal that we cannot.

[alfaitalia]

Utter rubbish.....honestly.....just look at what you are saying....and do a bit of reading. I usually have respect for what you say (both on cars and other subjects)....but this is saying what you want to believe (what we would all rather believe to be honest)..rather than looking at the facts. By the way my Charger will do 50 to the gallon when its done.....I believe that so it must be true!....and you have to believe me and I have absolutely no evidence to back it up. Stupid....but not dissimilar!

This is interesting....although its all lies of course to keep us subservient and under the power of "the man"!!!....read through all the blue links under the word "FACTS".

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

.....by the way....maybe not one flea..... but about 7 billion fleas on that same dog would definitely have an affect!!! ...and there's your problem. Stopping any couple having more than 2 kids would be a massive step in the right direction IMO.

[Kern Dog]

Wow. A government study wants us to change so they can have more control.
Yeah....Sure makes sense to me...

[Kern Dog]

Check this out:

[JB400]

Check this out:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fee.org/articles/the-epic-failure-of-the-government-gas-can//amp

[odcics2]

Check out the out of control government spending!!   

[green69rt]

Check out the out of control government spending!!  

I would gripe about the Democrats but the Republicans (so-called conservatives) are as bad or worse.

[b5blue]

Check out the out of control government spending!!   

I would gripe about the Democrats but the Republicans (so-called conservatives) as as bad or worse.

I gotta laugh or I'd cry! 

[Ghoste]

For sure either one would pass laws controlling what you drive if they thought it would buy them power.  I wonder how long after widespread electric car useage before lithium mines become a poster cause for the greens?

[Aero426]

For sure either one would pass laws controlling what you drive if they thought it would buy them power.  I wonder how long after widespread electric car useage before lithium mines become a poster cause for the greens?

This certainly could be the next hue and cry from the green movement.     Even Salon which is not exactly known for as a bastion of conservative viewpoints published this piece recently.

https://www.salon.com/2019/06/17/lithium-mining-for-green-electric-cars-is-leaving-a-stain-on-the-planet/

[odcics2]

For sure either one would pass laws controlling what you drive if they thought it would buy them power.  I wonder how long after widespread electric car useage before lithium mines become a poster cause for the greens?

At some point, we'll poison ourselves and be extinct.  (a few more centuries perhaps?)

The planet will go on, not to worry!!   

Be interesting to see who, or what, rises up to replace us! 

[alfaitalia]

Rats, cockroaches and spiders seem to be immune to virtually everything....so perhaps ones of them.

[Ponch ®]

Check out the out of control government spending!!   

I would gripe about the Democrats but the Republicans (so-called conservatives) as as bad or worse.

I gotta laugh or I'd cry! 

they both want to control what you do and say, just in different ways.

[Troy]

I posted this in Facebook recently but it's relevant for several reasons. Even though the government has mandated stricter emissions, consumers aren't rushing to adopt EVs. Car manufacturers don't want to make what people don't buy. The have also decided that hybrids just aren't a solution (it's average emissions so each EV has a bigger impact overall). It's going to be rather messy.

The push for electrification in Europe means selling mass-market vehicles there will be unprofitable "for a decade or two," John Murphy, an auto analyst for Bank of America Merrill Lynch, said during a presentation this month in Detroit.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-26/europe-s-tough-new-emissions-rules-come-with-39-billion-threat?fbclid=IwAR2LOk9fOS7AL42rDVcyqZxJZcmNZgWpdvGyeo4JzfpFCQq_pWP7KYIIb5k

One politician here in the US has proposed a plan to remove 63 million "old" cars from the roads over 10 years. Let me ask: who has the capacity to produce enough "clean" vehicles to replace them? What would 63 million EVs do to the electrical grid? Luckily, here we could at least still use hybrids (we need them for the range that EVs lack).

I'm wondering... why isn't there an "upgrade" path? Is it so difficult to retrofit a vehicle with electric? Many countries have offered incentives to convert a vehicle to CNG (possibly hydrogen?). The waste seems staggering to me. I saw an article about NASA taking delivery of the "first electric powered plane" - but I know some short tour operators have converted their planes to all electric years ago. When you're flying local in good weather you don't need the range/reserve that you'd need for cross country flying.

Troy

[Mike DC]

  
Retrofitting electrics -

It's pretty difficult to update any vehicle in any way on a large scale.  I don't see EV retrofits ever becoming very common for cost/benefit reasons.  When the whole drivetrain changes shape it just makes more sense to let the vehicle fleet cycle over.  It only takes 10-15 years for the majority to be replaced.       



Removing 63 million 'old' gasoline vehicles from the roads -

50 years ago the US military looked like this:


Now it looks like this:



I don't think the govt intends to end the public's gasoline habit any time soon.  

[b5blue]

Consider in about 3-4 minutes I can fill my tank vs 4 hours to recharge enough for a fraction of that gas car's range. They have work yet to do to come close to energy packed in fossil fuel.

[odcics2]

Consider in about 3-4 minutes I can fill my tank vs 4 hours to recharge enough for a fraction of that gas car's range. They have work yet to do to come close to energy packed in fossil fuel.

Universal batteries. one size fits all.
Pull in, swap them for a charged one, leave.
Obviously, the 'stations' would be HUGE to supply batteries and charger them. Probably a lot less time though.

Less amount of recharging stations, but larger ones.   

[BSB67]

Consider in about 3-4 minutes I can fill my tank vs 4 hours to recharge enough for a fraction of that gas car's range. They have work yet to do to come close to energy packed in fossil fuel.

The new Porsche 800 volt battery can do a 75% recharge in 22.5 minutes.

[Kern Dog]

That still sucks.

[Mike DC]

That still sucks.

It's fast enough to be a game-changer.


But that's assuming it could be done as a normal habit.  If it's a not-recommended stunt that taxes the hell out of the battery (shorter lifespan), that is not so helpful. 

[Ghoste]

What is different about that battery?

[70 sublime]

Does not really matter how fast it will charge a battery
If you can charge in 10 minutes but only drive 50 miles is not much good
If you can charge in 20 minutes and drive 300 miles that is better
It is all relative but not mentioned how far it will go