HELP PAGING FIREFIGHTER AND CHRYCO

[71440charger]

i also posted in electrical

alright here is the problem i just put a 440 in my 71 charger changed from a 318. when i try to start the car the starter gear just hits the end and does not spin. so i put four diferent starters on the sar and the same thing happend well the motor turns over just fine with a wrench so i know the engine is not to tight. so i took the starter off grounded it and turned the key and the gear just hits the end and does not spin i changedout the starter relay and redone the grounds so now i have no clue what the prob is. thanks.

[TylerCharger69]

Do you have the proper torque converter installed with the right number of teeth for that 440 application?  Some of those converters are different!!!    You aren't using the small block converter in that B/RB tranny are you??    Just a thought

[71440charger]

na it is the right converter when i took the starter down and grounded it , it just slung the gear to the end and would not spin but when i hooked a battery charger to the starter and grounded it the gear spun and the same on all four starters i have including a new one

[TylerCharger69]

so...the starter is spinning freely  when it's not mounted...and doesn't when it is???

[71440charger]

sorta the starter all hooked up on my car just unbolted from the tranny it does the sam thing as if it was in the tranny i unhooked it from the car put a battery charter positive to the bolts and grounded it and it worked like it was suppose to but will not work while on the car

[TylerCharger69]

okay....does it sound like it's trying to engage?....in other words....does the solenoid kick in the bendix  when  bolted on the car?

[71440charger]

yea it kicks and does not spin like there is a prob with juce or something i even changed out the starter relay

[TylerCharger69]

But...it does this  installed  AND not installed??

[71440charger]

the starter works when it is not on the car but when on the car it does not work

[TylerCharger69]

Well...when it's installed on the car, and it kicks in (or tries to) it tells me it's binding, because  it works when it's not installed (spins freely).   If there was no indication of engaging, well then I'd say it's an electrical problem...Are you sure the converter is all the way stabbed into the tranny?  (recessed considerably inside the bellhousing) if the converter is just about flush with the bell housing...it isn't stabbed all the way in.  I've seen this happen a lot of times...That is...if you are for certain that you have the right converter on it.   On an electrical note...a possibility....do you have a ground strap from the firewall to the engine???   

[71440charger]

yea the converter is in al the way and my ground is to the fire wall also i have even redone the grounds

[Steve P.]

I'm not sure I am following this 100%, but as far as the converter goes I would be very sure it's not installed wrong. It's kind of easy to do sometimes. You should hear/feel three clicks when it's going in. To Double check it as it is now you could unbolt it, (index it), and push it back into the tranny. You should have about 1/8th inch between the flex plate and the converter ears. If so you are good to go. Bolt up the converter with some tread lock and go after that electrical problem.

If you only have the converter in by 2 clicks you will take out the pump. Better to check now... My.02

[Chryco Psycho]

is the battery too low to crank a new engine ?
otherwise I agree with Steve the converter may be jammed in the front of the tranny instead of being fully engaged into the trans

[71440charger]

na na na the starter when hooked to the car  connected to the tranny and not in the tranny it just slings the gear to the end of the shaft. when taken off the car and DC power applied to the starter andgrounded it spins the gear. soi guess i have a short some whear

[deputycrawford]

My experience with that is that you should load test your battery and clean all your connections. I also believe you have enough amperage to activate the solinoid but not enough to crank the engine. Put a battery booster pack on with your battery and turn it over.

[71440charger]

yea i tried that could the problem be with the coil wires mixed up

[71440charger]

i cannot figure it out

[TylerCharger69]

coil  wires wouldn't be it......After all the posts on this topic, it seems you've pretty much exhausted the electrical theory.   I may be wrong, but I still think the trouble lies with the converter...either not stabbed in all the way, or the teeth gear may not be correct on the converter itself.   Have you run that same converter with that same setup, starter, etc  before???   Is it a stock converter???

[Steve P.]

na na na the starter when hooked to the car  connected to the tranny and not in the tranny it just slings the gear to the end of the shaft. when taken off the car and DC power applied to the starter andgrounded it spins the gear. soi guess i have a short some whear

Let me just get this straight.

1) you have bench tested the starter and it fires out and spins.    Yes   or no  ?

2) You wire it up to the cars harness, BUT DO NOT BOLT the starter to the tranny and the starter fires out but will not turn.   Yes or no ? 

3) You DO have the pos. cable on the Pos. terminal of the battery.   Yes or NO ?

4) With the starter installed completely, have you tried to use a jumper cable directly from the pos. terminal to the starter lug?    Yes or no ?

[TylerCharger69]

The only thing I can come up with, other than the converter theory....electrically.....the fusible link   from the starter relay  to the starter is toast....perhaps??

[Steve P.]

you didn't answer ?? ?? ?? ??

[TylerCharger69]

I'm sorry....I meant from the junction block to the starter relay....fusible link.....jeeeeeeees....sorry 'bout that

[TylerCharger69]

lol...I'm waiting too, Steve

[Steve P.]

Hahahaha,,,,,  Like he's out working on his car or something.................   

[TylerCharger69]

He's trying  the jumper cable thing...lol!!!    I'm  just guessing