White Hemi Superbird RM23R0A172594

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Plymouth-Road-Runner-Superbird/293201221543?hash=item44442797a7:g:GM4AAOSwgO9dYvWx

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[odcics2]

Be interesting to see where this ends up, considering the condition and repop cone.   

[Alaskan_TA]

What on earth happened to that VIN tag. 

[odcics2]

What on earth happened to that VIN tag. 

Too aggressive with the Scotch Brite!   

[alfaitalia]

I was more thinking that is has that "sharp" look to the text that repop ones have....hmmm. Non original nose, motor and tranny and pos a suspect VIN tag.....It virtually is a clone!! LOL!

EDIT....actually looking at it closer I think its just the lack of paint give the tag that repro look.

[62 Max]

This is really nice  !

[Wingnut426]

Oh my HEMI Superbird window sticker the E74 Hemi is $710.60.  Which is correct? WINGNUT

[WINGIN IT]

If your window sticker is original Pete I would say YOURS.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if back in the day dealers increased $ for certain options...

[held1823]

I wouldn't be surprised if back in the day dealers increased $ for certain options...

dealers didn't add to the factory monroney sticker. their markups would be on a separate form

[Alaskan_TA]

and.....

People that make fake window stickers can put anything they want on them.

To them it's all about the money - getting yours. 

[A383Wing]

that window sticker looks to "nice" to me

Bryan

[Dragon Slayer]

Interesting double pulley on water pump.

[Redbird]

It looks like a nice looking car, quite rare and desirable.

I'm curious what it looked like after sitting in a field in Virginia for 15 years, especially the underside. Potentially very humid and damp environment. The gas tank does not inspire confidence to me.

Not deal breaking, but someone might want to go over a lot of things; from the black door plugs, engine coil, grill frames, to rear window trim.

White interiors are hard. This looks like a mix of original door panels with rebop seat upholstery.

With the fiberglass cone it is almost like an assembled project that may need a steel cone, repaint and reassembly.

[rob-dirt]

A FRIEND CALLED ME SAID THE CAR WAS COMING UP FOR SALE SO I CALLED THE OWNER AND ASK ABOUT THE CAR    HE TOLD ME 500K    IM OUT NEXT    I DONT KNOW WHAT ITS WORTH  BUT THAT SEAMS HIGH TO ME

[taxspeaker]

I'm with Redbird. Love the car but lots of questions about rust-particularly after the 15 year field trip.

[A383Wing]

Interesting double pulley on water pump.

looks like double pulley alternator as well

Bryan

[Dragon Slayer]

Alternator should be double pulley, though it is an aftermarket type not correct OEM.  Water pump pulley should be single.  I imagine the parts on the motor are a mismatch lot to work, not necessarily be OEM correct.

I would be shocked if it went for 250K.  All original 6 pack 4 speed bucket, console car in white with all paper and matching numbers including parts went under $130K. Unrestored one paint car.

While the VIN is a hemi nothing else really matches but an undesirable paint color.  This car really is in no mans land in my opinion.

[426HemiChick]

It looks like a nice looking car, quite rare and desirable.

I'm curious what it looked like after sitting in a field in Virginia for 15 years, especially the underside. Potentially very humid and damp environment. The gas tank does not inspire confidence to me.

Not deal breaking, but someone might want to go over a lot of things; from the black door plugs, engine coil, grill frames, to rear window trim.

White interiors are hard. This looks like a mix of original door panels with rebop seat upholstery.

With the fiberglass cone it is almost like an assembled project that may need a steel cone, repaint and reassembly.

The black door plugs may have been installed by a "Rust Proofing" outfit or by a body shop that drilled holes to remove outer panel dents from the inside. I used to "rust proof" vehicles and used similar black plugs in the holes I drilled to access the inside of doors and other mostly inaccessible closed areas of the body.

Our CD's Hemi water pump is single pulley and the alternator is double. The crank pulley is double with the front most pulley being a smaller diameter pulley, which is used for the power steering pump.

Best Always,

426 Hemi Chicks

[A383Wing]

all of my B-body cars have the two door plugs in each door....those were not put there by any body shop for pulling dents or rust proofing....they are there to gain access to the vent frame attaching screws.....but they should be white to match the interior color

Bryan

[426HemiChick]

all of my B-body cars have the two door plugs in each door....those were not put there by any body shop for pulling dents or rust proofing....they are there to gain access to the vent frame attaching screws.....but they should be white to match the interior color

Bryan

Hi Bryan,                           29 August 2019

Since we haven't seen the inside frame work of our car's doors in maybe 20 years, we haven't a clue as to where plugs are or their color. We were only speculating based on some experience installing plugs. Our knowledge of these cars is limited to say the least.

If we get a chance we'll try to open a door to see what our plugs look like.

Best Always,

426 Hemi Chicks

[A383Wing]

your comment about them being there for rust proofing and for covering drilled holes is completely wrong....that was my point....as I said, all the cars have these plugs for getting to the vent frame mounting attachment bolts....and the plugs are supposed to be the color of the interior

go open up your service manual and you will see what I am talking about

Bryan

[69_500]

Oh my HEMI Superbird window sticker the E74 Hemi is $710.60.  Which is correct? WINGNUT

I don't have a window sticker for a 70 but my 69 original window sticker lists the Hemi at a $648.20 option

[held1823]

i'm betting pete's amount is correct for a bird, that the price increased from 1969 and someone copied the wrong info

purely uneducated guess, though

[6bblgt]

for a 1970 Road Runner - a HEMI was a $841.05 OPTION
for a 1970 GTX - a HEMI was a $710.60 OPTION

for a 1970 SUPERBIRD - a HEMI was a $710.60 OPTION (since the A13 "Superbird Package" covered the $$$ for the upgrade to 440HP 4-bbl, same as base GTX)

[Wingnut426]

Thanks 6bblgt! I knew someone had the answer.  WINGNUT

[426HemiChick]

your comment about them being there for rust proofing and for covering drilled holes is completely wrong....that was my point....as I said, all the cars have these plugs for getting to the vent frame mounting attachment bolts....and the plugs are supposed to be the color of the interior

go open up your service manual and you will see what I am talking about

Bryan

Hi Bryan,                      27 September 2019


As we promised:

If we get a chance we'll try to open a door to see what our plugs look like.

Managed to get the door open on the Six-Pack Super Bee. The car is bright red with a white interior. The door plugs are BLACK. The car has 2681 miles on it and has been stored 50 years. There's no chance the plugs were changed. Don't ever remember seeing a car with door/body access plugs color coordinated with the interior; wouldn't make sense for a production line product.

Knowing how careful Chrysler was when they were building these cars, color coordinated plugs would have been one of the last things Chrysler would have specified. As sorry as the quality control was back in those days, it's amazing they managed to get the front and rear of the cars painted the same color.

Best Always,

426 Hemi Chicks

[A383Wing]

Don't ever remember seeing a car with door/body access plugs color coordinated with the interior; wouldn't make sense for a production line product.

and yet your previous answer to the plugs was you said they were for covering the holes for body work....you are just making stuff up now as you go along...I have a box here with black, white, and red plugs for the door vent frame mounting holes....you need to do your research before trying to convince all of us your knowledge of these cars that you know everything about

Also don't know why you have to post all your vast knowledge, or lack there of in everyone else's threads....again, like you have done in the past

Bryan

[426HemiChick]

Don't ever remember seeing a car with door/body access plugs color coordinated with the interior; wouldn't make sense for a production line product.

and yet your previous answer to the plugs was you said they were for covering the holes for body work....you are just making stuff up now as you go along...I have a box here with black, white, and red plugs for the door vent frame mounting holes....you need to do your research before trying to convince all of us your knowledge of these cars that you know everything about

Also don't know why you have to post all your vast knowledge, or lack there of in everyone else's threads....again, like you have done in the past

Bryan

Hi Bryan,                    28 September 2017

Please go back and carefully reread what I originally wrote. I never said that Rust Proofing or body work was why the black plugs were there; I said it was a POSSIBILITY and nothing more.

Your statement that the plugs are supposed to be the same color as the interior is not supported by what is in our 69 440 SIX-PACK, they are BLACK, the car is bright red with white interior.

Are we supposed to believe because you have a box of red, white and black plugs that they are to be used for matching the interior of the car? It would make more sense if you had said to match the color of the car's PAINT.

Were red, white and black the only color interiors and exteriors offered for the wing cars?

I posted on this thread because I thought I had something to offer; I didn't post to argue. If I was wrong to post here, why are you posting?

Best Always,

426 Hemi Chicks

[Redbird]

Several years ago there were plenty of pictures of the 5/50-Tosten/Jennings car on the web, including lots of pictures of the white bucket interior. They were very informative.

There are enough survivor white interior cars, including 1970 bucket and bench interior cars available for review. After a while it becomes much easier to spot cars with restoration issues. Looking at all the 1968-1970 survivor white interior cars you can find helps one understand how they were built.

White interior cars had 2 white door plugs at the front of the doors on each side. Yes, there is probably a white interior car with original red plugs out there. But I wouldn't put too much value in random unstudied tweets.

[A383Wing]

Yes, my white interior car which is original has white door plugs... not black as someone thinks they only made

Bryan