Anyone Know This V Code 4-speed Bird?

[RSI700VIPER]

Thinking about taking a chance on this one.  Anyone know the history of this car?

www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Plymouth-Road-Runner-SuperBird/254328233882

[mopar346]

Looks great, I love white gut black hat on cars. One curious statement though that is repeated, the original owner said it has the original engine and trans/matching numbers, seems like they would verify that. Easier enough to verify though.

[nascarxx29]

Was it in Dallas or Texas before?

[RSI700VIPER]

Talked to the owner's "mechanic" Randy.  Apparently car is NOT numbers matching.  Still considering it.  Anyone else know this car?

[cudavic]

I don't get it. Why misrepresent things such as in his description of the car?

"The original owner and the consignor (I purchased at auction in 2016) state that the 'Bird It has the original 440 six pack motor (3x2 carbs) and the original 4 speed transmission and according to the original owner it is a numbers matching car."

99% of the people interested in this car will verify the numbers. Is he hoping to snag someone in the 1%?
Why not just be honest? IMO the seller just lost his credibility.

Don't get me wrong as it still looks to be a very nice car.

[Birdflu]

99% of the people interested in this car will verify the numbers. Is he hoping to snag someone in the 1%?
Why not just be honest? IMO the seller just lost his credibility.

[DAY CLONA]

I don't get it. Why misrepresent things such as in his description of the car?

"The original owner and the consignor (I purchased at auction in 2016) state that the 'Bird It has the original 440 six pack motor (3x2 carbs) and the original 4 speed transmission and according to the original owner it is a numbers matching car."

99% of the people interested in this car will verify the numbers. Is he hoping to snag someone in the 1%?
Why not just be honest? IMO the seller just lost his credibility.

Don't get me wrong as it still looks to be a very nice car.

You can't take the "mechanics" or owners statements/info at face value, if a potential buyer is interested they need to get off their ass and investigate for themselves or hire and individual that can confirm any claims/statements... I've looked at vehicles for potential buyers that the current owners/mechanics/curators/dealers/etc haven't a clue what numbers to locate or decipher correctly...the owner "may" know the history of this vehicle? and may be "covering" by reiterating what the past owner/dealer/auction house stated? or just does not really know the true facts of this vehicle, same could be said for the "mechanic"...

[cudavic]

I don't get it. Why misrepresent things such as in his description of the car?

"The original owner and the consignor (I purchased at auction in 2016) state that the 'Bird It has the original 440 six pack motor (3x2 carbs) and the original 4 speed transmission and according to the original owner it is a numbers matching car."

99% of the people interested in this car will verify the numbers. Is he hoping to snag someone in the 1%?
Why not just be honest? IMO the seller just lost his credibility.

Don't get me wrong as it still looks to be a very nice car.

You can't take the "mechanics" or owners statements/info at face value, if a potential buyer is interested they need to get off their ass and investigate for themselves or hire and individual that can confirm any claims/statements... I've looked at vehicles for potential buyers that the current owners/mechanics/curators/dealers/etc haven't a clue what numbers to locate or decipher correctly...the owner "may" know the history of this vehicle? and may be "covering" by reiterating what the past owner/dealer/auction house stated? or just does not really know the true facts of this vehicle, same could be said for the "mechanic"...

Understood and agree.

With that being said I guess I shouldn't have said he lost his credibility until the numbers were verified.
However I also believe that 99% of the people interested in this car based on it having the original drive train would be extremely disappointed to go to Vegas, only to discover that the seller mislead them. If he wants to represent the car properly he should have taken pictures of the numbers.
 

[bannedbird]

For when the link to eBay breaks, here is part of the eBay listing for RM23V0A179760 (as of 8/17/2019 12:53 pm CST)

[DAY CLONA]

I don't get it. Why misrepresent things such as in his description of the car?

"The original owner and the consignor (I purchased at auction in 2016) state that the 'Bird It has the original 440 six pack motor (3x2 carbs) and the original 4 speed transmission and according to the original owner it is a numbers matching car."

99% of the people interested in this car will verify the numbers. Is he hoping to snag someone in the 1%?
Why not just be honest? IMO the seller just lost his credibility.

Don't get me wrong as it still looks to be a very nice car.

You can't take the "mechanics" or owners statements/info at face value, if a potential buyer is interested they need to get off their ass and investigate for themselves or hire and individual that can confirm any claims/statements... I've looked at vehicles for potential buyers that the current owners/mechanics/curators/dealers/etc haven't a clue what numbers to locate or decipher correctly...the owner "may" know the history of this vehicle? and may be "covering" by reiterating what the past owner/dealer/auction house stated? or just does not really know the true facts of this vehicle, same could be said for the "mechanic"...

Understood and agree.

With that being said I guess I shouldn't have said he lost his credibility until the numbers were verified.
However I also believe that 99% of the people interested in this car based on it having the original drive train would be extremely disappointed to go to Vegas, only to discover that the seller mislead them. If he wants to represent the car properly he should have taken pictures of the numbers.
 

I'd like to think some "homework" would be done by a potential buyer before jetting off to see the car in person, besides if your dropping 6 figures, a plane ticket to Vegas is chump change in comparison....


Mike

[cudavic]

I don't get it. Why misrepresent things such as in his description of the car?

"The original owner and the consignor (I purchased at auction in 2016) state that the 'Bird It has the original 440 six pack motor (3x2 carbs) and the original 4 speed transmission and according to the original owner it is a numbers matching car."

99% of the people interested in this car will verify the numbers. Is he hoping to snag someone in the 1%?
Why not just be honest? IMO the seller just lost his credibility.

Don't get me wrong as it still looks to be a very nice car.

You can't take the "mechanics" or owners statements/info at face value, if a potential buyer is interested they need to get off their ass and investigate for themselves or hire and individual that can confirm any claims/statements... I've looked at vehicles for potential buyers that the current owners/mechanics/curators/dealers/etc haven't a clue what numbers to locate or decipher correctly...the owner "may" know the history of this vehicle? and may be "covering" by reiterating what the past owner/dealer/auction house stated? or just does not really know the true facts of this vehicle, same could be said for the "mechanic"...

Understood and agree.

With that being said I guess I shouldn't have said he lost his credibility until the numbers were verified.
However I also believe that 99% of the people interested in this car based on it having the original drive train would be extremely disappointed to go to Vegas, only to discover that the seller mislead them. If he wants to represent the car properly he should have taken pictures of the numbers.
 

I'd like to think some "homework" would be done by a potential buyer before jetting off to see the car in person, besides if your dropping 6 figures, a plane ticket to Vegas is chump change in comparison....


Mike

You are correct Sir!

[RSI700VIPER]

The "mechanic" seemed pretty knowledgeable and knew where to look.  He was recently asked by another interested party to verify the numbers and that's when he discovered the non matching issue.  If the owner truly didn't know when he bought the car, he knows now and should amend the listing.   Non-matching will affect the value but not a complete deal breaker.

[Birdflu]

He bought the car back in 2016. He knew long before writing the eBay ad that the car was non-numbers.

[benny70hemibird]

I owned that car back in 1987. I purchased it from it's original owner. When I got it, the engine was long gone, blown to bits from many, many street fights back in the day. It had an empty engine bay......no block, no intake, no carbs's.....nothing. Everything gone. That car also had a very rough life. The wing and the doors had been cut off the car with a torch when it was stolen and then they were crudely re-attached with a welder, warping the rear quarter panels on both sides. It was a mess. It also has a long troubled past history that is too crazy to relate to on this site. I could tell you a lot about it, but that car is far, far away from original. I have a bunch of photo's of the car when I purchased it from the first owner documenting it's condition. It looks nice now, but it's not anywhere near what the seller is advertising it as.  

[RallyeMike]

The listing has the usual slickery saying that other's said it was "one owner" and "original".

Some people have no shame.

[RSI700VIPER]

Looks like the high bidder read 70Hemibirds's post.  High bid has been retracted. 

[hemi68charger]

 ; Both on the car and the history ( bringing PROPER history to light )..

[426HemiChick]

Hi Folks,                       21 August 2019

If you are going to spend the money for the car, crawl under the car or put it on a rack and verify the numbers. And while you are at it, give the bottom side a good going over for possible "crash" and/or rust repairs. Unfortunately, there are weasels out there ready to lift your wallet; Buyer Beware.

Glad someone that knows the car's history posted on this thread; probably saved someone a chunk of change.

Best Always,

426 Hemi Chicks

[RSI700VIPER]

Looks like it sold for $135.7K.  Seems like a fair price despite its shady history.  I've been patiently waiting to buy a Superbird with similar options.  As someone mentioned on a different post, asking prices are all over the place for Superbirds these days.