Time for the next step --> Burnout

[Kern Dog]

Yes, guys like you and Jim Valuckas (Hemi71X) have probably never smiled or laughed once in the past 20 years. I never see anything humorous in anything either of you two write.

Ain't it a cryin' shame that everybody in the world ain't just like you?

I have wondered the same thing.
I know that seems conceited but I don't think that the world would be a happier place if everyone were so serious and without humor.
I enjoy being around funny, obnoxious people. Humor is a great thing and can guide you through tough times as well as entertain you. Humor gets you thinking positive rather than negative. I do my best to avoid negative people, greedy people, ungrateful leeches and Liberals. Over time I've become more adept at spotting them.

[XH29N0G]

Rollo,  I suspect even with 295s that you won't have much traction with the tires if they are BFG radial TA's.  The advice given here is worth following.  Get very familiar with the way the car behaves. I am not one for burn outs, so haven't done them as break stands, but those that do, it is their decision and pleasure.  Re tires, I had real problems keeping 275 BFG TAs from spinning below 20-30 mph (sometimes higher).  It was at the point where I wasn't comfortable with the car at low speed because of the chance of them breaking loose and getting squirrelly.  I went to a sticker tire (and smaller). Now I only intentionally spin to heat them up.  The car is nothing like some of the others on here, but it is what I have and so far, what I am capable of handling. Good luck.

[Q5XX29]

I will admit to the occasional burnout on the street, but as I have "matured" (and also have gotten tired of paying for wasted rubber), most of my burnouts are at the dragstrip, where I'm sure John Kunkel would agree they have a valid purpose. And after years of browsing this forum, I have a great respect for John's knowledge of transmissions. So if you wouldn't mind John, would you please comment on the least damaging way to do a proper burnout when hearing the tires up at the track?
Personally, what I've done with our '68 500 B-block stroker and 727TF running Hoosier drag radials is start in first, bring it up to about 4k, then shift into 2nd, then again at about 4-5k shift into drive and let off the brakes to finish the burnout before the staging beams. Seems effective, but I've wondered if this is the "best" method for the transmission.

[alfaitalia]

Yes, guys like you and Jim Valuckas (Hemi71X) have probably never smiled or laughed once in the past 20 years. I never see anything humorous in anything either of you two write.

Ain't it a cryin' shame that everybody in the world ain't just like you?

I have wondered the same thing.
I know that seems conceited but I don't think that the world would be a happier place if everyone were so serious and without humor.
I enjoy being around funny, obnoxious people. Humor is a great thing and can guide you through tough times as well as entertain you. Humor gets you thinking positive rather than negative. I do my best to avoid negative people, greedy people, ungrateful leeches and Liberals. Over time I've become more adept at spotting them.


Hell yeah....life is too short to take EVERYTHING seriously. I played about on the street in both cars and on bikes....and its not always gone right (I've four titanium plates and sixty odd screws in my left arm to prove it as well as a nice scar on my back and hip from rolling a car (on the race track) and another on my waist from surfing in conditions far to big for my ability!!)....I never hurt anyone but myself because I like to have fun and excitement in my life.....just not in a irresponsible way!! Do I regret any of it ?....no! I tend to find that you are far more likely to regret something you didn't do than something you did! That said I probably would not risk some of the big dollar (over)restored cars on here either.......

[rollo1504]

From what im reading holley wants 45-48. Best to check the owners manual for yours

Manual says:

The fuel pressure required for a return fuel system is approximately 45psi. If the pressure is not enough
the injectors will be over-worked and an "INJ DC" code will appear in the Diagnostics on the Handheld.
If this happens increase the fuel pressure by 5 PSI increment and test again. A rule of thumb is to start
at approximately 60 psi for engines over 400 horsepower

So as I am supposed to have 500-550 HP I think 65 PSI as pretty accurate???

[rollo1504]

Hey guys!

My intention here was not to start a discussion about different types of characters or anything else.

I just asked a "simple" question.

I really respect everyone here in this forum that much I can't describe it because you guys made me being able to repair my broken 73 charger I bought several years ago all by myself even though I am NOT a mechanic and because of this you guys are soo amazing.

Even if John is not that funny as many other guys here and his answers are very often not more than just serious I highly appreciate every input of him as (from my point of view) he is one if not THE one with the most knowledge of all members here. I need to add that I do not want to be disrespectful to other members here and offend noone.

I am so thankful for owning 2 pieces of american car history AND being allowed to be a member of this forum....

So please let us be nice to each other as everybody deserves it here. THANKS

More questions to come :-)

Have a great evening, morning, day  :-D

Roland

[Kern Dog]

I can certainly appreciate the technical contributions that people provide. When they act is if they are more refined, more mature or somehow a better person because they act a certain way, it pisses me off.  Certain people , I'll call them "Elitists", are not the kind that seem to have fun.
I have known people that, when you look at them, you can never imagine them smiling or laughing. THOSE are the people most likely exhibiting the elitist attitudes.

[John_Kunkel]

When they act is if they are more refined, more mature or somehow a better person because they act a certain way, it pisses me off.  Certain people , I'll call them "Elitists", are not the kind that seem to have fun.

Compared to you, just about everybody is an "elitist". As I said before, it simply comes down to the definition of fun, just because my definition is different than yours or the majority doesn't mean I don't know to have fun, just different than you. (vive la difference)

You seem to be culturally and politically mainstream, no reason to think, just do like everybody else. Gladly, I'm your polar opposite.

[XH29N0G]

Question 1:  But what if we know we really are better than everyone else???   

Question 2: I have been learning too and find the discussion of burnouts and how to do them different than I expected. 
From reading, I don't know if I have been doing them right with the manual.  I have just driven through the water box, pointed the car the right way in case something held, then reved, and dropped the clutch.  I am now thinking that maybe there is some other way that should be done with a manual.  I'm using ET Streets, so my understanding was just to heat the tires.  I see bits on the underside after the track so I assume they are heating.  The car doesn't jump forward until I release and depress the clutch. 

What procedure should there be for a manual?   

PS.  I guess the fact that I asked the second question answers the first question, at least as respects me.   

[b5blue]

  Okay per 1973 my high school rules: A "REAL BURNOUT" can only be done without using the brake in any way. So start at a dead stop with the car in D and stomp the accelerator flat to the floor! Be sure to do this where nobody's mom can see cuz they will rat you out before you get home. If nothing much happens try a road with a bit of sand on it next. Under no circumstances practice this or emergency brake 180's on high school property and never perfect doughnut skills on high school football practice/PE fields or you'll have to join the Air Force just to stop hearing about it. (Like I did.)  
 The key here is if the car breaks loose let off the gas just enough to keep it spinning without blowing something up. Be ready for blown tailshaft housing, bent push rods, bent connecting rods, busted crankshafts, spun bearings and busted U joints just to name a few of the reasons I don't race anymore.
 Start small and work your way up, the car will want to get sideways so have room to figure out what it feels like and is doing. Have fun-Be safe..

[Kern Dog]

When they act is if they are more refined, more mature or somehow a better person because they act a certain way, it pisses me off.  Certain people , I'll call them "Elitists", are not the kind that seem to have fun.

Compared to you, just about everybody is an "elitist". As I said before, it simply comes down to the definition of fun, just because my definition is different than yours or the majority doesn't mean I don't know to have fun, just different than you. (vive la difference)

You seem to be culturally and politically mainstream, no reason to think, just do like everybody else. Gladly, I'm your polar opposite.

You misinterpreted my words, then went down the wrong path with them.
There is a glaring difference between someone that is better than me and someone that THINKS that they are better. The way that I see it, Elitists are stubborn minded people that think that their opinions are the only ones worth considering. They are often so close minded, they leave zero room to learn from their human mistakes.
In the interest of NOT being a hypocrite, I often self check to make sure I do not do the same thing. Given that, I am keenly aware of my own shortcomings and try to not paint myself into corners for risk of looking like a stubborn curmudgeon. I laugh several times a day, play jokes, pranks and tease...I talk to strangers, help those that don't even ask for it and give of myself whenever possible. To know me is to like me. If you don't care for my style and demeanor, I don't want you as a friend anyway.
I suppose that given your opinions on "Burnouts", you have no interest in Drifting ? Maybe you enjoy being pressed into the back of your seat by rapid acceleration....that is understandable. Me? I love feeling the push into the back of the seat, the sides of the seat AND hard braking. Road Race, man! These cars can corner and stop as well as any new Challenger or Charger with the right aftermarket support.
I don't understand the interest in Soccer, I don't like the sound of fart canned Imports and I don't like seafood but I would not be so arrogant to expect others to feel the same or to try to BAN them as some people do.
If I need advice on a 727, I'd listen to you. As for anything else, I'll pass.

[John_Kunkel]

You misinterpreted my words, then went down the wrong path with them.

Nope, I fully understand your words and responded in kind. Your problem with me is that I don't think like you, politically or culturally.

There is a glaring difference between someone that is better than me and someone that THINKS that they are better.

I don't think I'm BETTER than you, that's your paranoid delusion, I know that I'm DIFFERENT than you and I'm thankful for that. Having different opinions than the majority here, and starting those opinions often, seems to make you think I'm an elitist (again your definition). If you ever want to find fault with what I think is fun, feel free to do so, and I won't view that disagreement as being elitist or condescending but I WILL debate you.

[Kern Dog]

Debate is fine. Each side has the opportunity to learn if their minds are open to it. I do not claim to know all of the answers. It does sting a bit to learn that I have been wrong about something but ultimately, it is better overall.
This topic of Burnouts though....
It does highlight a difference of perspective and personality. I understand the attraction to maintaining traction and fast acceleration but there are ways to express an opinion without insulting what another person likes. I'm guilty of this though in some cases. I like to make outlandish statements to get reactions from people, mostly in humor. It is the humor part that I see missing from some others responses. I may have read it wrong but it appears that way to me.
The Australians seem to LOVE burnouts even more than we do. They have arenas where cars are ran at WOT, spinning around pushing ungodly amounts of white smoke into the air. I can almost smell it from here. A reasonable response from a naysayer may be something like...Thats not my sort of thing. rather than something like What a bunch of idiots.
Inflammatory comments are likely to get similar responses. I know this, surely others do as well.

[XH29N0G]

I still am genuinely interested in having someone outline whether there are things to do with manual transmission burnouts at the track.  If what I described I do has an issue with it that could break something more easily than doing it some other way, I would like to know.  If there is some sort of safety, line lock type thing, I should be using, I would like to know.

Concerning the spat. I'll caution  invoking humor as an excuse. Respect is what is important, and I know it goes both ways. Elitists and calling people elitists doesn't do it for me. I agree that some people spout off and say they are smarter or better than other people, or act like they are.  That is frustrating, but most people can size up the situation pretty well.       

[c00nhunterjoe]

I will admit to the occasional burnout on the street, but as I have "matured" (and also have gotten tired of paying for wasted rubber), most of my burnouts are at the dragstrip, where I'm sure John Kunkel would agree they have a valid purpose. And after years of browsing this forum, I have a great respect for John's knowledge of transmissions. So if you wouldn't mind John, would you please comment on the least damaging way to do a proper burnout when hearing the tires up at the track?
Personally, what I've done with our '68 500 B-block stroker and 727TF running Hoosier drag radials is start in first, bring it up to about 4k, then shift into 2nd, then again at about 4-5k shift into drive and let off the brakes to finish the burnout before the staging beams. Seems effective, but I've wondered if this is the "best" method for the transmission.

No, roll through water and stop when rear tires are right at the edge of the water/dry. Shift 1-2-3, hold in 3rd til light haze, then roll out til you feel the tires start to pull the rear down and lift, then stage. Biting traction in 1st or 2nd is one of the easy ways to damage the sprag.

[c00nhunterjoe]

I still am genuinely interested in having someone outline whether there are things to do with manual transmission burnouts at the track.  If what I described I do has an issue with it that could break something more easily than doing it some other way, I would like to know.  If there is some sort of safety, line lock type thing, I should be using, I would like to know.

Concerning the spat. I'll caution  invoking humor as an excuse. Respect is what is important, and I know it goes both ways. Elitists and calling people elitists doesn't do it for me. I agree that some people spout off and say they are smarter or better than other people, or act like they are.  That is frustrating, but most people can size up the situation pretty well.       

Line lock makes burnouts easier, especially with a stick car. But i always just 3 footed my stick cars. Left foot works the clutch, right heel worked brake pedal while right toes worked throttle. Never had any issue with that method.

[c00nhunterjoe]

From what im reading holley wants 45-48. Best to check the owners manual for yours

Manual says:

The fuel pressure required for a return fuel system is approximately 45psi. If the pressure is not enough
the injectors will be over-worked and an "INJ DC" code will appear in the Diagnostics on the Handheld.
If this happens increase the fuel pressure by 5 PSI increment and test again. A rule of thumb is to start
at approximately 60 psi for engines over 400 horsepower

So as I am supposed to have 500-550 HP I think 65 PSI as pretty accurate???

Per the book, sounds like you are in the ballpark.

[Q5XX29]

I will admit to the occasional burnout on the street, but as I have "matured" (and also have gotten tired of paying for wasted rubber), most of my burnouts are at the dragstrip, where I'm sure John Kunkel would agree they have a valid purpose. And after years of browsing this forum, I have a great respect for John's knowledge of transmissions. So if you wouldn't mind John, would you please comment on the least damaging way to do a proper burnout when hearing the tires up at the track?
Personally, what I've done with our '68 500 B-block stroker and 727TF running Hoosier drag radials is start in first, bring it up to about 4k, then shift into 2nd, then again at about 4-5k shift into drive and let off the brakes to finish the burnout before the staging beams. Seems effective, but I've wondered if this is the "best" method for the transmission.

"No, roll through water and stop when rear tires are right at the edge of the water/dry. Shift 1-2-3, hold in 3rd til light haze, then roll out til you feel the tires start to pull the rear down and lift, then stage. Biting traction in 1st or 2nd is one of the easy ways to damage the sprag. "


That's exactly what I described, and what I do. Not sure why you said "no".    Seems to work for me- I have one of the best (if not the best, as per the roster on the Demon forum)  60' time in the country with my stock Demon.

[c00nhunterjoe]

I will admit to the occasional burnout on the street, but as I have "matured" (and also have gotten tired of paying for wasted rubber), most of my burnouts are at the dragstrip, where I'm sure John Kunkel would agree they have a valid purpose. And after years of browsing this forum, I have a great respect for John's knowledge of transmissions. So if you wouldn't mind John, would you please comment on the least damaging way to do a proper burnout when hearing the tires up at the track?
Personally, what I've done with our '68 500 B-block stroker and 727TF running Hoosier drag radials is start in first, bring it up to about 4k, then shift into 2nd, then again at about 4-5k shift into drive and let off the brakes to finish the burnout before the staging beams. Seems effective, but I've wondered if this is the "best" method for the transmission.

"No, roll through water and stop when rear tires are right at the edge of the water/dry. Shift 1-2-3, hold in 3rd til light haze, then roll out til you feel the tires start to pull the rear down and lift, then stage. Biting traction in 1st or 2nd is one of the easy ways to damage the sprag. "


That's exactly what I described, and what I do. Not sure why you said "no".    Seems to work for me- I have one of the best (if not the best, as per the roster on the Demon forum)  60' time in the country with my stock Demon.

My mistake, i missed where you said you shift to drive, i thought it read that you rolled out at 4-5k in 2nd.

[Q5XX29]

I will admit to the occasional burnout on the street, but as I have "matured" (and also have gotten tired of paying for wasted rubber), most of my burnouts are at the dragstrip, where I'm sure John Kunkel would agree they have a valid purpose. And after years of browsing this forum, I have a great respect for John's knowledge of transmissions. So if you wouldn't mind John, would you please comment on the least damaging way to do a proper burnout when hearing the tires up at the track?
Personally, what I've done with our '68 500 B-block stroker and 727TF running Hoosier drag radials is start in first, bring it up to about 4k, then shift into 2nd, then again at about 4-5k shift into drive and let off the brakes to finish the burnout before the staging beams. Seems effective, but I've wondered if this is the "best" method for the transmission.

"No, roll through water and stop when rear tires are right at the edge of the water/dry. Shift 1-2-3, hold in 3rd til light haze, then roll out til you feel the tires start to pull the rear down and lift, then stage. Biting traction in 1st or 2nd is one of the easy ways to damage the sprag. "


That's exactly what I described, and what I do. Not sure why you said "no".    Seems to work for me- I have one of the best (if not the best, as per the roster on the Demon forum)  60' time in the country with my stock Demon.

My mistake, i missed where you said you shift to drive, i thought it read that you rolled out at 4-5k in 2nd.

No problem

[John_Kunkel]

there are ways to express an opinion without insulting what another person likes.

Ever see the myriad of videos on Youtube where people do really stupid things to get their 15 seconds of fame? If you make note that the stunt was a stupid thing to do, are you saying the person is stupid (an insult) or just what they did is stupid? There is a difference.

[Kern Dog]

Is that like saying that the wife is NOT a bitch but she is ACTING like a bitch?
I know that that is a bad road to go down.