Time for the next step --> Burnout

[rollo1504]

Hey folks!

I am coming to the next step where I want to do a burnout with my Charger.
As I do not want to destroy anything I need some suggestions please.

This is my current trans:
CopeRacing 727-3 PROSTREET Automatic-Shift, Valve Body with Trans-Go TF-2 Shift Kit         CopeRacing Item Number: 727-3

So what is for my application the correct gear

1,2 or D?

Sorry for a maybe weird or dump question, but I am really not sure about that and I want to ask before trying things on my own.

Thanks

Roland

[alfaitalia]

1st, 2nd .....then drive! Keeping it spinning into top is nothing that lots of power and budget tyres cant sort out!!

[John_Kunkel]

I am coming to the next step where I want to do a burnout with my Charger.

Why? 

[Lennard]

I am coming to the next step where I want to do a burnout with my Charger.

Why? 

Because some people like to have fun in their lives. 

[rollo1504]

I am coming to the next step where I want to do a burnout with my Charger.

Why? 

Around 505 cui and 550 hp available and never did a Burnout. So before flooring the Pedal i would like to hear your opinion John please.

I Just want to do it from time to time. Mit very often. But when i do it i want to do it right
Thanks

[c00nhunterjoe]

Burnouts in 1st and 2nd are hard on the sprag if it bites. Same for romping off and on it from a roll. I used to think burnouts were cool, but now i use them just to heat up the tires. A honda civic can smoke the tires, but can he hang a wheel on the street?
   That said, line locks are best, but footbraked works as well, just harder on trans and rear brakes. Everyone will give you a different method, best to experiment on what works for you. Bottom line, when she starts spinnning, start shifting til high gear, rolling out of burnouts in 1st or 2nd is extremely hard on the trans.

[BSB67]

Is exploding the front drum your concern?

Lots of horror stories out there.  But if the 727 was that sensitive to rolling the sprag,  most of us long in the tooth Mopar guys wouldn't have feet anymore.  My unprofessional opinion, if your not running slicks, you're probably fine.

The parts that John put in your granny matter too.  Does the -3 have a billet front drum and 16 roller sprag?  If so, let her rip

[Lennard]

Is exploding the front drum your concern?

The parts that John put in your granny matter too. Does the -3 have a billet front drum and 16 roller sprag?  If so, let her rip

I think that you should leave family members out of this discussion. 

[BSB67]

Is exploding the front drum your concern?

The parts that John put in your granny matter too. Does the -3 have a billet front drum and 16 roller sprag?  If so, let her rip

I think that you should leave family members out of this discussion. 

I cannot be half that funny when I try.  I think I'll leave it.

[John_Kunkel]

i would like to hear your opinion John please.

Unlike most of you, I think burnouts are stupid and I don't think much of people that do them. In my vernacular they are "squirrels".

My idea of "fun" is stomping the throttle and accelerating at a high G rate with minimum wheel speed, not sitting in one spot churning smoke. Keep in mind that a 6-cylinder pickup with a one-legger rear end will probably do a better burnout than your 500-incher.

[Brass]

i would like to hear your opinion John please.

Unlike most of you, I think burnouts are stupid and I don't think much of people that do them. In my vernacular they are "squirrels".

My idea of "fun" is stomping the throttle and accelerating at a high G rate with minimum wheel speed, not sitting in one spot churning smoke. Keep in mind that a 6-cylinder pickup with a one-legger rear end will probably do a better burnout than your 500-incher.

You're describing what I consider a brake stand.  I too think brake stands are stupid.  But I have it on good authority that hanging it out aslant with both tires on fire can be kinda fun.  It takes torque to do that without brakes.  Especially while rolling.  

[Kern Dog]

Yet another example of the people that live to have fun versus the ones that don't.   

[cdr]

Years ago before my health crashed I won a BURNOUT contest at Republic Harley Davidson on my wifes 1200 Sportster WENT TILL THE TIRE EXPLODED, blew the license plate & tail light off the fender LMAO, won  $1500.00 & a new rear tire installed

[timmycharger]

i would like to hear your opinion John please.

Unlike most of you, I think burnouts are stupid and I don't think much of people that do them. In my vernacular they are "squirrels".

My idea of "fun" is stomping the throttle and accelerating at a high G rate with minimum wheel speed, not sitting in one spot churning smoke. Keep in mind that a 6-cylinder pickup with a one-legger rear end will probably do a better burnout than your 500-incher.

[rollo1504]

Hey folks!

I really appreciate all your opinions here!

1. I am not that guy who "always" wants to do burnout each day - Just from time to time and just for fun
2. The tranny was bought by former owner. On the invoice it tells "incl option billet steel drum"

Other details as written on homepage:
This transmission is for Mopars with 500 horse power driven on the street. Includes: Glass beaded case & tail housing in side & out, CRTs automatic shift valve body with Trans-Go TF-2 shift kit , bolt in sprag, Alto Red Eagle racing clutches, Kolene steels, Thicker band strut, Red lined bands, Teflon rings, Rear billet servo, neutral switch, 2 cooler line case fitting, 4.2 2nd gear lever, CRTs deep aluminum oil pan & billet filter extension

So if it has a 16 roller sprag in detail I do not know about it. To be honest I do not know that much about the interior of a tranny. I am just learning right now about the valve body, what a shift kit does, how in general a tranny shifts and that stuff. At this point I do not know what "Kolene steels", "Bolt in sprag", "Red lined bands" and "Thicker band strut" mean but would highly welcome it if someone may explain me this in short words (if it is possible to explain it in short words)

3. I did it twice in the meantime and what can I say? It "feels" right to me when doing it with shifter in 2. I hit the brake, WOT and as soon as the tire spins I let off the brake. 2nd Try was with shifter in D. I did not do it with shifter in 1.
Some of you suggested to start at 1 as soon as wheels spinning go to 2 and then to D - This is not that easy as I CANNOT just push the shifter from 2 to D as I need to press the button on the shifter otherwise it is locked between 2 and D (hope you understand what I want to say :-) ) And with that option I did not shift to D as at this point I am plenty busy with keep holding the car on the street as the rear breaks lose pretty soon

Thanks

Roland

[krops cars]

First burn out don't just stand on it. Start small learn the car. Then you will be able to floor it and shift gears. If sh-- goes bad let off throttle people panic and stay in it. Nothing good comes from that. Usually if you let off the car will snap back.

[John_Kunkel]

Yet another example of the people that live to have fun versus the ones that don't.   

No, a simple difference in the definition of "fun". Simple minds are easier to amuse.

[Kern Dog]

Yes, guys like you and Jim Valuckas (Hemi71X) have probably never smiled or laughed once in the past 20 years. I never see anything humorous in anything either of you two write.

[c00nhunterjoe]

I can see both sides to the argument here. I was a punk kid once sliding sideways from every stop light. As i grew to understand race cars and changed my tune to get the car to hook and fly instead. The "mustang" burnout crowd doesnt interest me anymore. I actually move quickly away as 90% of the time it ends in disaster leaving car shows. If i cant leave 1st, i literally wait til last. Higher hp street cars usually have unseasoned drivers behind them and thats just as dangerous as a punk in a stick mustang. I have personally seen cars eat it into trees, bushes, curbs, other cars, and even a house leaving car shows. Most on street tires, some on stickies, a few on slicks.
   You need to respect your car's power, even be afraid of it almost. If you want to get stupid, and youve got a big torque monster, you need practice, lots of practice. You have a ton of torque in a boat. Empty lots, private preferably. You need to learn what the car will do in situations, and how to recover it. When to lift, and when to give it more throttle, upshift, etc. Many will say im crazy, maybe i am, but its your car, and i cant tell YOU how to drive it.
    Want my thumbs up? Burn the slicks off from a 40 mph roll in high gear then turn around and launch with the wheels up. 

[rollo1504]

I can see both sides to the argument here. I was a punk kid once sliding sideways from every stop light. As i grew to understand race cars and changed my tune to get the car to hook and fly instead. The "mustang" burnout crowd doesnt interest me anymore. I actually move quickly away as 90% of the time it ends in disaster leaving car shows. If i cant leave 1st, i literally wait til last. Higher hp street cars usually have unseasoned drivers behind them and thats just as dangerous as a punk in a stick mustang. I have personally seen cars eat it into trees, bushes, curbs, other cars, and even a house leaving car shows. Most on street tires, some on stickies, a few on slicks.
   You need to respect your car's power, even be afraid of it almost. If you want to get stupid, and youve got a big torque monster, you need practice, lots of practice. You have a ton of torque in a boat. Empty lots, private preferably. You need to learn what the car will do in situations, and how to recover it. When to lift, and when to give it more throttle, upshift, etc. Many will say im crazy, maybe i am, but its your car, and i cant tell YOU how to drive it.
    Want my thumbs up? Burn the slicks off from a 40 mph roll in high gear then turn around and launch with the wheels up. 

That is exactly my opinion as well c00nhunterjoe!

I treat my car with the biggest possible respect and I am learning every time I drive it. I am 38 and already left the wild young times behind me and I know I could not afford it to repair the car again after eating a tree or bush etc.

I am running on BF Goodrich street tires 295 on 15" rims and as already said I do not want to burn some rubber all the time, just in rare cases and because of this I wanted to hear the opinions/suggestions from you guys here

Sorry for asking another question which has nothing to do with this topic but I do not want to open a new thread but you tell me to do so: What is the "recommened" fuel pressure in PSI for my application. My setup is supposed to have 500-550 hp (but never dyno'd). Actually it is set to 65 PSI. Is that OK? or too high/low?

Thanks

Roland

[c00nhunterjoe]

If it has 500+ hp, then it probably has 550-600 ft lbs of torque. On a bfg radial ta, you wont have to work at all, just roll into the throttle from a dig, or from a roll just stab the throttle. 65 psi? Must be efi. If it is, go by what the manufacturer of your setup recommends. If that was suppose to say 6.5, then that is fine. Most afb style carbs like 6-7, most holleys like 7-8.

[rollo1504]

Hey!

Sorry to mention that :-)

It is an Atomic TBI EFI correct.

Regards

roland

[c00nhunterjoe]

From what im reading holley wants 45-48. Best to check the owners manual for yours

[John_Kunkel]

I can see both sides to the argument here. I was a punk kid once sliding sideways from every stop light.

And some here still are....,forty year old body and adolescent brain.

[John_Kunkel]

Yes, guys like you and Jim Valuckas (Hemi71X) have probably never smiled or laughed once in the past 20 years. I never see anything humorous in anything either of you two write.

Ain't it a cryin' shame that everybody in the world ain't just like you?