Can anyone explain VON numbers for dummies ? or a link ?

[Challenger340]

Like the title says ?
Curious about 2 things for sure,
1.) When did they start/switchover to 1969 Models from 1968's on the line if anyone knows ?
and,
2.) earliest dates associated with corresponding low VON's in 1969 ? 

[6bblgt]

problem is, both of your questions have little or nothing to do with VONs (Vehicle Order Numbers) SPD (Scheduled Production Date)

best I can do is "ballpark"
at the end of the '68 model year, Chrysler Corp. was building Chargers at 2 plants Hamtramck (B) & St. Louis (G)

Hamtramck "scheduled" cars at least 'til 710 (Wednesday July 10, 1968) cars may have been built a few days later
St. Louis "scheduled" cars at least 'til 715 (Monday July 15, 1968) cars may have been built a few days later

1969 Hamtramck
pre-production "PILOT" cars were assigned a SPD of 728 (Sunday July 28, 1968) but were already built
announcement show "PROMO" cars were assigned a SPD of 801 (Thursday August 1, 1968) but were built later during the month of August
filling the production line probably started around 805 (Monday August 5, 1968) with completed cars by the end of the week or early the following week

1969 St. Louis
pre-production "PILOT" cars were assigned a SPD of 714 (Sunday July 14, 1968) but were already built
announcement show "PROMO" cars were assigned a SPD of 801 (Thursday August 1, 1968) but were built later during the month of August
filling the production line probably started around 805 (Monday August 5, 1968) with completed cars by the end of the week or early the following week

1969 Chrysler Corp. automobiles officially went "ON-SALE" 919 (Thursday September 19. 1968)

if anyone can provide any additional clarity - I'd love to see it 

[6bblgt]

VONs started on an order form: at Chrysler, at a dealership, or anywhere that sold/ordered Chrysler Vehicles

"low" or "high" VONs don't have a correlation with early or late production

most "SPECIAL" cars have VONs starting with "9": 500s, Daytonas, sunroof, special order paint, etc.

orders for CANADA start with a "B" & there are a number of other specialized VONs: fleet, export, company car, etc.

here's a partial '70 Charger order form with the VON in the upper right "020226" - it's where a specific car gets started before it is assigned a VIN

[Challenger340]

Thanks so much, I appreciate your taking the time to fill in some blanks for me  

Not surprising my questions make no sense !
because I really don't understand that portion of my Broadcast sheet around sequence, date and VON numbers at all ?  So trying to educate myself.

Ours is a "Canadian" Charger, but strangely Y14 not Y07 as most literature indicates for Canuck bound vehicles ?
and,
it seems to be missing also the "B" starting the VON for Canadian vehicles ?

For a "Canadian" ordered  car ? It just seems to be missing any common identifiers as such,
B-Sheet just says SPD of B23 followed by 200xxx VON  with Y14 Sales Code.
same on Fender Tag B23 200xxx

Maybe a U.S. Car re-routed to Canaduh ?

[66FBCharger]

On the order form, what does the RED RG printed to the left of some of the sales codes mean?

[6bblgt]

"Challenger340" sounds like your car was US spec'd when new

RG = Radio Group (A04)

[John_Kunkel]

Always wondered what the A04 Radio Group was comprised of.

[Challenger340]

"Challenger340" sounds like your car was US spec'd when new

Yes, that's what I am now thinking ?
and only supposition here on my Part..... but maybe built to "U.S. Specs" because it was "Y14", which as is my understanding was a SOLD car(ordered by someone ?), so maybe when building to an order they just did things same way as U.S. cars ?
About the only thing "canadian" spec on it would be the damn undercoating which is very thick and probably responsible for preserving it so well, NO rear window defogger or any else "canadian" present ?

I was able to determine it was sold new in Kamloops BC Canada, however, the Dealership is now long defunct, so no further info there.

[tan top]

 interesting information , thanks for sharing 

[Homerr]

Always wondered what the A04 Radio Group was comprised of.

Here's the 1970 Charger dealer data book, Hamtamck Historical is a great resource!

https://www.hamtramck-historical.com/dealerships/1970DealershipDataBook-03.shtml




And here's 1969:

[69bronzeT5]

For a "Canadian" ordered  car ? It just seems to be missing any common identifiers as such,
B-Sheet just says SPD of B23 followed by 200xxx VON  with Y14 Sales Code.
same on Fender Tag B23 200xxx

On my '69 that's been a Western Canada car it's entire life, it definitely has B before the VON on the fender tag. 

[6bblgt]

I was able to determine it was sold new in Kamloops BC Canada, however, the Dealership is now long defunct, so no further info there.

how were you able to determine this?

there were Y14 cars for US (Y05), CANADA (Y07) & EXPORT (Y09)
there were NO specifics that differentiated US VS. CANADA spec. cars - it was more for Chrysler Corp. documentation, pricing & destination

[Challenger340]

I was able to determine it was sold new in Kamloops BC Canada, however, the Dealership is now long defunct, so no further info there.

how were you able to determine this?

there were Y14 cars for US (Y05), CANADA (Y07) & EXPORT (Y09)
there were NO specifics that differentiated US VS. CANADA spec. cars - it was more for Chrysler Corp. documentation, pricing & destination

Found the dealership plate under the rear seat ?
then later,
I spoke with a former owner who said same thing "Sold new in Kamloops BC", afterwhich I then told her "Yeah I found the Fisher Bros Chrysler, Kamloops BC" dealer plate under the rear seat.

Seemed a substantive enough corroboration of the tag ? given I never mentioned it prior to her telling me.

All I know is it's Y14.... and appears to have been ordered and Sold new in Canada ?

NO "B" in the VON.... just an SPD of "B23" followed by 200XXX VON on the Broadcast Sheet ?    same-same on the Fender Tag ?

[6bblgt]

a '69 w/o a "B" VON - it probably started life in Washington state and crossed the border as a used car early in its life

[Challenger340]

a '69 w/o a "B" VON - it probably started life in Washington state and crossed the border as a used car early in its life

That would be the plausible explanation for the VON discrepancy.

But hard to substantiate given the conflicting evidence thus far ?
I'll revisit digging into the 1969 to 1978 period again, hard to fathom someone would import one into Canada that early on, there were thousands already here including R/T's. 

[mr. hemi]

a '69 w/o a "B" VON - it probably started life in Washington state and crossed the border as a used car early in its life

That would be the plausible explanation for the VON discrepancy.

But hard to substantiate given the conflicting evidence thus far ?
I'll revisit digging into the 1969 to 1978 period again, hard to fathom someone would import one into Canada that early on, there were thousands already here including R/T's. 

Also, keep in mind, up until a legislation change in about the mid 80's (Pre "Registrar Of Imported Vehicles" scam) a used car had to be 15 years old to be imported from the US, unless there were unusual circumstances, such as being a US resident and immigrating to Canada, bringing your car with you. Point being, back then you just couldn't zip across the border and buy a couple year old car and bring it legally into Canada. My '68 Coronet R/T came from the US. I was lined up at the border on Jan. 1st 1983, the first day I could import it.

[Challenger340]

a '69 w/o a "B" VON - it probably started life in Washington state and crossed the border as a used car early in its life

That would be the plausible explanation for the VON discrepancy.

But hard to substantiate given the conflicting evidence thus far ?
I'll revisit digging into the 1969 to 1978 period again, hard to fathom someone would import one into Canada that early on, there were thousands already here including R/T's.  

Also, keep in mind, up until a legislation change in about the mid 80's (Pre "Registrar Of Imported Vehicles" scam) a used car had to be 15 years old to be imported from the US, unless there were unusual circumstances, such as being a US resident and immigrating to Canada, bringing your car with you. Point being, back then you just couldn't zip across the border and buy a couple year old car and bring it legally into Canada. My '68 Coronet R/T came from the US. I was lined up at the border on Jan. 1st 1983, the first day I could import it.

I made some calls yesterday/today with ICBC the Provincial Registrar of Motor Vehicles, and once I clarified right from the get-go this time(I have called before with no success), that this time I was merely looking for the earliest known Registration here in BC, No "personal" information of any prior Owners...
I sat on hold for 20 minutes....
The girl came back indicated the first privately owned registration was March 1st 1973.

Confused as to the distinction she was making around "Private" Registration, I then asked about priors... to which she said "You will have to write a letter and Pay the Fee for a printed record", no further info was forthcoming, other than "Business" or possible "Corporate" ?

So ?
At least I now know March 1st 1973 it was Registered for the first time "privately" here in BC, unknown as to prior until I write a letter ?
However,
IMO, it would seem to suggest it unlikely to having been "imported" as a fairly NEW Vehicle in 1973 ?

[70 sublime]

I think 1973 is the magic year that Canada started putting all the registrations on computer
Every used car package I have ever gotten only went back to 1973

They want money to get someone to dig up the paperwork for older records if they are still around 

[928007]

i don't think this helps with the original question but lots of good info . www.mmcdetroit.com when you get on that page go to old site then go to left of page click on vehicle order number (von)

[928007]

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