AMD for 1969 charger

[marshallfry01]

What metal is not reproduced on a 69 charger? I'm thinking about making a charger out of a stripped down parted out 1970 satellite and was curious if this is even doable. The car is rock solid but is missing all of the satellite stuff already. VIN is missing too. So it's not like I'm ruining a perfect car. I know the inner structures are the same as well as everything on the interior. I'm just not sure how much trouble I'll have with the rear package tray area.

[white]

You should be able to make a 68-69 charger with parts that are available. Cant think of anything sheet metal wise that's not produced for a charger.

[marshallfry01]

You should be able to make a 68-69 charger with parts that are available. Cant think of anything sheet metal wise that's not produced for a charger.

That's what I was thinking, but just wanted to double check with the professionals here. Thanks!!

[Wingnut426]

Plymouths have a shorter wheelbase than a Dodge.  WINGNUT

[chargerbr549]

What metal is not reproduced on a 69 charger? I'm thinking about making a charger out of a stripped down parted out 1970 satellite and was curious if this is even doable. The car is rock solid but is missing all of the satellite stuff already. VIN is missing too. So it's not like I'm ruining a perfect car. I know the inner structures are the same as well as everything on the interior. I'm just not sure how much trouble I'll have with the rear package tray area.

Talk to Chris he is "CBRestorations" on this site he could tell you all about the metal swapping and also about how to legally title the car afterwards.

[marshallfry01]

Plymouths have a shorter wheelbase than a Dodge.  WINGNUT

Are you for sure? I thought the floor pans and trunk pans are identical between all B bodies? I know the gas tank filler neck is different on the charger trunk pan but other than that I thought they were the same.

[70 sublime]

Not sure if the inside roof frame is the same on both cars
Do not think they make that stuff yet

[Stevearino]

Roof substructer should be the same and most of that is not made by AMD. So you are good there.  I believe the spring perches in the rear have to be moved back 2" to lengthen the wheel base to 117". Other than that you should be good to go.

[chargervert]

AMD just came out with the inner C pillar structure pieces for Chargers,so other than the actual roof substructure they make everything to convert any two door 68 to 70 B body to a Charger. The Plymouth front spring brackets are shorter than the Dodge spring brackets as stated. sounds like a cool project. You will have to change the rear door jamb pieces to Charger pieces too,they are wider than the other B body jambs. I reskinned a 68 Satellite convertible,to a 70 Charger convertible,so it is doable.

[VegasCharger]

Plymouths have a shorter wheelbase than a Dodge.  WINGNUT

True!!!

However this was achieved by the forward hanger bracket for the leaf springs being 1" shorter than the Dodge bracket, moving the rear axle forward by an inch.

Ask me how I know lol.

So for you spectators out there if you're browsing swap meets looking for '68-'70 B Body forward leaf springs hangers make sure to ask the proprietor if it's from a Dodge or a Plymouth and match accordingly to your Dodge or Plymouth.

I wish I had my picture of proof. I had both brackets side-by-side but my external hard drive crashed and pics were lost.

[DAY CLONA]

Plymouths have a shorter wheelbase than a Dodge.  WINGNUT

True!!!

However this was achieved by the forward hanger bracket for the leaf springs being 1" shorter than the Dodge bracket, moving the rear axle forward by an inch.

Ask me how I know lol.

So for you spectators out there if you're browsing swap meets looking for '68-'70 B Body forward leaf springs hangers make sure to ask the proprietor if it's from a Dodge or a Plymouth and match accordingly to your Dodge or Plymouth.

I wish I had my picture of proof. I had both brackets side-by-side but my external hard drive crashed and pics were lost.

You can see the difference in the SS perches for these B bodies as well...

[winghawg]

I converted a 1968 dodge coronet in to a 69 charger. AMD has pretty much everything. you will need to find the section of the inner roof structure that is forward of the c pillar that you will have to tie into the inner roof  structure these pieces also ties the  aft cross member at the roofs trailing edge. The outer roof structure that attaches to the outer wheel appears to be the same.you will have to modify or replace the left and right door jambs.Be shure you add bracing to the structure so nothing goes out of position.
hope that helps

[Pat1973charger]

Winghawg is right, the outer section of roof rail that extends from by The A pillar back to the outer whee house is the same. I used the roof structure from a 68 satellite on my charger and spliced it together back just ahead of the rear window above the 1/4 windows. As far as the unibody, the only other differences Are outer wheel houses, Dutchman and package tray area (don't believe they reproduce the package tray end supports but I had t hand fabricta wine of mine it was prettt simple) the rear lead spring perches are different (goodmark doesn't know this and sells one part for all b body cars, AMD has dodge and Plymouth applications) and lastly the rear door jambs are different where the 1/4 attaches. My 69 RT is built from the original car, a 68 satellite, 69 road runner (front frame rails), 68 coronet (tray wheel house) another 69 base charger and a 70 coronet (torsion crossmember)

[cbrestorations]

My spider senses can hear the purists screaming rebodiiieess...😂😂😂

[alfaitalia]

Naaah.....that's a conversion....not a rebody!!!

[cbrestorations]

Naaah.....that's a conversion....not a rebody!!!

Ahh I see...I have many "conversions" to do myself

[Dano 1]

If the OP is starting from a 1970 satellite with a VIN/title and using only new Charger metal you'll always have a 1970 Satellite in the eyes of the law (I think). If you have a Charger with a VIN/title and move all of the exterior Charger metal onto the Satellite you could migrate the #'s over and have technically have a "Charger" but in doing so you are committing a crime even though practically speaking it's the same process. 

[charger_fan_4ever]

What metal is not reproduced on a 69 charger? I'm thinking about making a charger out of a stripped down parted out 1970 satellite and was curious if this is even doable. The car is rock solid but is missing all of the satellite stuff already. VIN is missing too. So it's not like I'm ruining a perfect car. I know the inner structures are the same as well as everything on the interior. I'm just not sure how much trouble I'll have with the rear package tray area.

i bought A LOT of AMD metal for my 70 charger. If you need it all it must be what 10K just in metal ? then the 100s of hours to do the swap.
Why not gather up $15-20K and buy a good solid charger to start with ?

This would be interesting if starting from scratch.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,134947.0.html

[cbrestorations]

It seems that the people screaming rebody, illegal or converted cars...have stock in AMD. They want you to spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hrs using that Chinese metal when it's in fact not illegal to buy a donor b body car, cut the top off and reconstruct a charger using its platform. Hell if it was...ever person who has replaced either their core support or trunk gutter is guilty of the same. You have removed a body stamping. Although since this same tampering of vins is done on many makes and models around the world at licensed body shops everyday it doesn't seem like much of a crime or if any now does it. 😝

[alfaitalia]

You would be constructing a Charger look alike but with a Satellite VIN (or whatever....a Coronet in winghawgs case)....cant see a problem with that as its not going to fool anyone into thinking its a real Charger in years to come. That's very different to putting a HEMI, RT or S'Bird VIN or a car and trying to pass it off as the real deal....if not now , in a few owners time. Anyway we already have enough threads arguing about that subject. And yes it is a crime in most places around the World to transfer a VIN.....

[Kern Dog]

It seems that the people screaming rebody, illegal or converted cars...have stock in AMD. They want you to spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hrs using that Chinese metal when it's in fact not illegal to buy a donor b body car, cut the top off and reconstruct a charger using its platform. Hell if it was...ever person who has replaced either their core support or trunk gutter is guilty of the same. You have removed a body stamping. Although since this same tampering of vins is done on many makes and models around the world at licensed body shops everyday it doesn't seem like much of a crime or if any now does it. 😝

This is a topic where it should be understood that the chance of changing your opponent's mind is close to ZERO. Federal law prohibits removing a VIN for application to another vehicle. People have had to do this on E body cars with a dash restoration and I doubt anyone goes to jail for it. Some laws do vary from State to State but....
Federal law supercedes state law but unless someone really pushes the issue, these Federal crimes will not get attention.

I do see the merits of both sides.
An honest builder may keep the dash and vin but replace almost every part of the car around it and it "remains" a genuine, original VIN car.
Same honest guy rolls in a clean body, unmodified and simply swaps the VIN from a rusty R/T in place. Pretty much the same effect has taken place in terms of the final product but a LOT of time has been saved.
I think the VIN swap laws were put in place to penalize theft and fraud, not to discourage honest guys.
The trouble is, WHO determines what constitutes an "honest" builder? What about chain of custody? The builder may or may not divulge the true identity to any future owner. If the car has another car's VIN, why not a falsified Fender tag like the red sunroof car spoken of elsewhere here? Once a car's identity is faked, it is tempting to take it much further.

[cbrestorations]

You would be constructing a Charger look alike but with a Satellite VIN (or whatever....a Coronet in winghawgs case)....cant see a problem with that as its not going to fool anyone into thinking its a real Charger in years to come. That's very different to putting a HEMI, RT or S'Bird VIN or a car and trying to pass it off as the real deal....if not now , in a few owners time. Anyway we already have enough threads arguing about that subject. And yes it is a crime in most places around the World to transfer a VIN.....

I disagree...once you remove the coronet from its platform it is a Blank canvass and no one I mean no one can tell what it is and in fact it's the same damn platform. So since it is the same platform used in an actual charger it is still a charger. More than what ur saying using Chinese panels which were never used on a real charger but copies. So if you reconstruct a charger using all AMD that is less original than a converted coronet because it will have real Chrysler metal with real part numbers just like the original

That is stupid to use a satellite or coronet vin on a charger. It's the same damn platform so it's just that...a replacement platform to replace the rotted one on a charger. Try explaining to a cop who pulls you over because ur car is registered as a satellite but looks like a charger. It then gets impounded and you have to explain or prove why there is a satellite vin on a real charger body. That's just fuckin stupid. It looks like a charger, in fact it is a real charger body welded to a universal platform..
Bolt a ford pickup body to a Chevy frame and try using that Chevy vin on the ford body lol...that's exactly what you just suggested  

[winghawg]

That is correct my 1968 coronet will remain with its coronet vin. it will only look like a 69 charger Daytona tribute car.i got the car for free. 68 70 charger are stupid money for rusty hulls.The money I saved by not buying one for 7k or 10k. I used that money and bought all new AMD sheet metal.plus I was up for a challenge. so far its work out well

[cbrestorations]

That is correct my 1968 coronet will remain with its coronet vin. it will only look like a 69 charger Daytona tribute car.i got the car for free. 68 70 charger are stupid money for rusty hulls.The money I saved by not buying one for 7k or 10k. I used that money and bought all new AMD sheet metal.plus I was up for a challenge. so far its work out well

If you are just buying AMD panels to make a charger then I agree with that, but if you are using a real charger to do the conversion Ide say that's just dumb.
Why not just buy a rotted shell for cheap and use the top half. On a salty car the top half is usually really good and will save bunches of money. Plus then you could use the charger vin as ur just reconstructing the charger body with the coronet platform.

[winghawg]

I will never pass off my conversion as a charger. it will always be a 1968 coronet and the vin will prove it.just want to show that is you have the talent to swap body panels. that you do not have to start off with a high dollar charger that need everything. you can start off with a coronet. iam just cheap and wanted to see if a coronet to charger could be done.it can