70 Charger R/T SE XS29U0G249546

[DAY CLONA]

Actually the vin does make the car, they were all the same down the assembly line except hemi cars with torque boxes that even got missed sometimes

Agreed, once you strip the donor of it's identity, it's just a blank canvas for the build you desire, regardless of the tags that it wears, at least it's another Charger saved, and the best year to own as well!

[Y1CHARGER]

Moving numbers from one car to another is a felony.

Yet a few here say they have done it & even encourage others to do so.

Hopefully they all get busted someday.

Yup, aslong as you can prove ownership for both cars. I'll be doing several cutting the top off a coronet and dropping a charger body on the platform
Not a felony if you legally own both cars, there's a dmv process and inspection for this. Here in Nevada anyway don't know about every state

State laws can differ.

Per Federal law, moving ID numbers from one car to another is a felony.

VIN tampering, fraud,  etc.

So...every person who restores their dash, replaces a core support or trunk gutter is criminal? Damn...i bet 1/3 the people on here are guilty

Simple question for you based on that.

Do you honestly think that swapping federally mandated ID numbers from one car to another car is OK?

Yup, if you legally own both cars. I'll be doing several chopping coronets off their platform and dropping chargers on them

Good to know.

I will never buy a car from you based on that alone.

If you knew me...ude realize I could give 2 fucks less lol. I do good work and very fair prices, I don't have to look for work.

[Homerr]

cbrestorations will have the hatred of dodgecoronet.com !

[cbrestorations]

cbrestorations will have the hatred of dodgecoronet.com !

Why have a coronet or satellite  when you can have a charger 😁👍...chop chop chop lol. For the idiots who don't know this...there is nothing wrong with buying a parts car, chopping it up and using its metal to fix another car hence its platform. It's literally done every hour of the day on about every make and model car. Like forrealzies visit a body shop. This is how you restore a $500 junk charger carcass without giving ur first born to expensive Chinese repop panel companies.. Sacrificing either a 4 door who gives a fuck coronet, satellite or belvedere aswell as base model 2 doors platforms. Removing the ugliness and dropping on the badass chargerness and pow...revived charger.

[hemi-hampton]

cbrestorations will have the hatred of dodgecoronet.com !

Why have a coronet or satellite  when you can have a charger 😁👍...chop chop chop lol. For the idiots who don't know this...there is nothing wrong with buying a parts car, chopping it up and using its metal to fix another car hence its platform. It's literally done every hour of the day on about every make and model car. Like forrealzies visit a body shop. This is how you restore a $500 junk charger carcass without giving ur first born to expensive Chinese repop panel companies.. Sacrificing either a 4 door who gives a fuck coronet, satellite or belvedere aswell as base model 2 doors platforms. Removing the ugliness and dropping on the badass chargerness and pow...revived charger.

This is all true & I agree with it. Nothing wrong with any of that. But you left out the part about switching the 6 cylinder VIN with a Hemi VIN.

[Kern Dog]

This is always a hot topic.
To me, I refer back to the Federal law. With that, you are then left with the matter of interpretation of the law. If the language is not clear then you will have cases where people danced slightly outside the lines and are in peril of attention from the police.
Some good points have been made on this.
If you take a rusted or badly wrecked car and replace almost everything around the dash VIN, OR take the VIN off of the dash and place it on another car, what is the actual difference? The % of originality has dropped dramatically. Imagine removing a heart and fingerprints from a dying Billionaire and surgically implanting them into a healthy 20 year old...
How much of a car can be cut off and replaced before the car's VIN is almost nothing but a formality?
In a clear cut case where a rusted HEMI car VIN is pulled and placed on a slant 6 or 318 car, I hope that the majority of people would see that as wrong.
I also hope that it would be frowned upon (To those here)  to do a VIN swap to re-identify a stolen car.
The "gray area" does apply when the cars in question are legally owned and are both too far gone to be restored using their own parts.

[nvrbdn]

So I watch a lot of shows on rebuilding cars. I have seen cars so rusted that the only salvageable part is the roof frame. All floor pans, frame rails, torque boxes, body panels, ok, you get the idea. There is nothing there. They cut out the necessary numbers, dash, fender tag (if it is readable) and build what I deem a brand new car. The suspension is all after market. The rear end is after market. The heater motor, radiator......... ok, again you all get the idea. Maybe the engine and trans are rebuilt original parts to the vin. And presto, we have a true Hemi Dodge Charger holy grail brought back from the dead. Every body at SEMA applauds the awesome transformation. There isn't 100 square inches of original metal in that car, but yet it is paraded as an original HEMI car. Now, I am not for "Swapping Vin's" on cars, but what is the difference between what these people are doing on TV in front of the world, and a guy taking a donor B Body that is not popular and removing all of its good metal and melding it to a Charger in need of so much so it can survive?

[cbrestorations]

So I watch a lot of shows on rebuilding cars. I have seen cars so rusted that the only salvageable part is the roof frame. All floor pans, frame rails, torque boxes, body panels, ok, you get the idea. There is nothing there. They cut out the necessary numbers, dash, fender tag (if it is readable) and build what I deem a brand new car. The suspension is all after market. The rear end is after market. The heater motor, radiator......... ok, again you all get the idea. Maybe the engine and trans are rebuilt original parts to the vin. And presto, we have a true Hemi Dodge Charger holy grail brought back from the dead. Every body at SEMA applauds the awesome transformation. There isn't 100 square inches of original metal in that car, but yet it is paraded as an original HEMI car. Now, I am not for "Swapping Vin's" on cars, but what is the difference between what these people are doing on TV in front of the world, and a guy taking a donor B Body that is not popular and removing all of its good metal and melding it to a Charger in need of so much so it can survive?

Both are rebodied...one, ur slapping a vin on Chinese panels the other, vin gets slapped on original Chrysler metal

[cbrestorations]

cbrestorations will have the hatred of dodgecoronet.com !

Why have a coronet or satellite  when you can have a charger 😁👍...chop chop chop lol. For the idiots who don't know this...there is nothing wrong with buying a parts car, chopping it up and using its metal to fix another car hence its platform. It's literally done every hour of the day on about every make and model car. Like forrealzies visit a body shop. This is how you restore a $500 junk charger carcass without giving ur first born to expensive Chinese repop panel companies.. Sacrificing either a 4 door who gives a fuck coronet, satellite or belvedere aswell as base model 2 doors platforms. Removing the ugliness and dropping on the badass chargerness and pow...revived charger.

This is all true & I agree with it. Nothing wrong with any of that. But you left out the part about switching the 6 cylinder VIN with a Hemi VIN.

If that's all you did was swap vins then You  just took the easy route I guess and done for financial gain. If you truly want to save a car you will try to save atleast what metal you can onto the donor. Seen many of cars sold that were obvious vin swapped case in point this 70 r/t on this thread, but you know what will come of it...nothing, someone will buy it and the seller will get paid.

A rebody I will be doing is saving the roof, cowl, rear window filler, top of quarters, window regulator panel, door jam and tail panel from a 68 r/t charger. If I use a donor coronet shell, yes just a shell that I purchased from a salvage yard that used to be an r/t but numbers were robbed so it has no numbers and is a 68 with body numbers that don't mean shit. To me...I am saving this shell from the scrapper and using its platform to fix a charger. Which even still I will have to purchase about 2k in AMD metal just to finish. Just like organ donors killed in a crashes for hospital patients.  Those who disagree with me I could give a flying fuck less and will be doing it and even make an episode of it. Not a damn thing illegal about it and all you purist prunes can kiss my ass because I know my car will be more original than some of the ones I've seen built on graveyard cars or that Chinese AMD daytona.

The people who have dropped a charger top half onto a newer Chrysler 300 or charger platform, what do you think that is??? The same damn thing.

I have purchased several chargers in the same shape that need donor platforms and some just a lot of AMD metal.

[alfaitalia]

 Cbr quite"The people who have dropped a charger top half onto a newer Chrysler 300 or charger platform, what do you think that is??? The same damn thing."

Far from the same.....no-one is ever going to succeed in passing it off as a real and original Charger with all that new tech and a modern lump.....unlike the one in this thread....which, a few owners down the line, will be sold as the real deal.

I agree on the Daytona you mention and too a certain extent the rust belt restoration on this very forum. Both have had far too much replaced to be genuine and should not be wearing those vins imo...... they are replicas not restorations.....don't see how to stop it though.

[cbrestorations]

Cbr quite"The people who have dropped a charger top half onto a newer Chrysler 300 or charger platform, what do you think that is??? The same damn thing."

Far from the same.....no-one is ever going to succeed in passing it off as a real and original Charger with all that new tech and a modern lump.....unlike the one in this thread....which, a few owners down the line, will be sold as the real deal.

I agree on the Daytona you mention and too a certain extent the rust belt restoration on this very forum. Both have had far too much replaced to be genuine and should not be wearing those vins imo...... they are replicas not restorations.....don't see how to stop it though.

It is the same exact thing...2 Vin's show up, 1 leaves. 2 cars used to make 1. Same thing

[cbrestorations]

Cbr quite"The people who have dropped a charger top half onto a newer Chrysler 300 or charger platform, what do you think that is??? The same damn thing."

Far from the same.....no-one is ever going to succeed in passing it off as a real and original Charger with all that new tech and a modern lump.....unlike the one in this thread....which, a few owners down the line, will be sold as the real deal.

I agree on the Daytona you mention and too a certain extent the rust belt restoration on this very forum. Both have had far too much replaced to be genuine and should not be wearing those vins imo...... they are replicas not restorations.....don't see how to stop it though.

Until there is a percentage rule, every car is a restoration whether they just Body swapped or replaced every damn panel. Because as of right now it's all just personal opinion and opinions are like assholes, everyone has one

[DAY CLONA]

Until there is a percentage rule, every car is a restoration whether they just Body swapped or replaced every damn panel. Because as of right now it's all just personal opinion and opinions are like assholes, everyone has one

Agreed, I've been saying this for DECADES long before it became fashionable to own/restore a musclecar, or any vehicle for that matter... But there has to be a percentage LAW, which will never happen, a percentage "rule", will be just that, a "rule" conjured by some lame ass self anointed brand registry owners, or restoration "gurus" or shops/etc...

Personally a "rebody" is criminal to me if your hiding the identity of a stolen vehicle, otherwise rebodying/VIN swap/combining multiple vehicles is "harmless" as long as sound mechanical/bodywork/fabrication is practiced...

[Alaskan_TA]

Moving numbers from one car to another is a felony.

Yet a few here say they have done it & even encourage others to do so.

Hopefully they all get busted someday.

I still hope that those of you that think swapping numbers is OK get busted. 

[70 sublime]

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[hemi-hampton]

got about $10k to much.

[Homerr]

What has always been weird to me is how much federal law influences our feelings on this.

In England it is acceptable to entirely rebody a car because rust happens and they look at it practically.  If our own federal law accepted that this happens and one could go through a process recording that a rebody took place, and marking the title with this information, then maybe it'd be the market would sort out the value.  Owners of basket cases could have nice cars without moving mountains (of rust).

http://www.bmh-ltd.com/bodyshells.htm

(Original presses and jigs are actually used.)

[Challenger340]

Geezuz, all this talk about hacking/whacking/chopping/cutting/splicing both Chinese repop and remaining OEM donor Sheet Metal back onto rusted/decayed hulks.... even swapping VIN Numbers, re-bodies, etc ?

and now it's just ALL fine & dandy/okie-dokie accepted as the "normal" ?

Nah Nah Nah Boo-Boo to you guys !   

Keep on hacking/whacking away....swapping VIN's, re-Body'ing etc.,  because the more you do.... the easier they get to spot,
and,
the more unique the REAL McCoy UN-Molested/UN-Restored originals become !

[2592 creston]

Moving numbers from one car to another is a felony.

Yet a few here say they have done it & even encourage others to do so.

Hopefully they all get busted someday.

Yup, aslong as you can prove ownership for both cars. I'll be doing several cutting the top off a coronet and dropping a charger body on the platform
Not a felony if you legally own both cars, there's a dmv process and inspection for this. Here in Nevada anyway don't know about every state

State laws can differ.

Per Federal law, moving ID numbers from one car to another is a felony.

VIN tampering, fraud,  etc.

So...every person who restores their dash, replaces a core support or trunk gutter is criminal? Damn...i bet 1/3 the people on here are guilty

Simple question for you based on that.

Do you honestly think that swapping federally mandated ID numbers from one car to another car is OK?

Yup, if you legally own both cars. I'll be doing several chopping coronets off their platform and dropping chargers on them

Good to know.

I will never buy a car from you based on that alone.

If you knew me...ude realize I could give 2 fucks less lol. I do good work and very fair prices, I don't have to look for work.






So does the guy with the fake Rolex's

[Kern Dog]

Hey #2592....You did it wrong.

[2592 creston]

Hey #2592....You did it wrong.

My bad!

[alfaitalia]

What has always been weird to me is how much federal law influences our feelings on this.

In England it is acceptable to entirely rebody a car because rust happens and they look at it practically.  If our own federal law accepted that this happens and one could go through a process recording that a rebody took place, and marking the title with this information, then maybe it'd be the market would sort out the value.  Owners of basket cases could have nice cars without moving mountains (of rust).

http://www.bmh-ltd.com/bodyshells.htm

(Original presses and jigs are actually used.)

No its not. And if you do you would get a license plate that starts with a Q.....so everybody knows you did it! No hiding that!! If you transfer the VIN that's illegal....like over there. The only exception are when the body is replaced to use the chassis for a kit car where it looks nothing like the doner car....even then the "hard points" of the car have to be used....so pillar positions, fire wall etc.