70 Charger R/T SE XS29U0G249546

[70 sublime]

Anyone see this on ebay ?

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/1970-Dodge-Charger/153397648260?_trkparms=aid%3D777003%26algo%3DDISCL.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140620091411%26meid%3Dc5693702182f40b888303829d2294ac2%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D283395145855%26itm%3D153397648260&_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982

I like their wording

So really in the past it was wrecked and now rebodied
Has cruise control in the pictures and you can see where they took the console brackets off the floor

Will never be a true R/T SE again   





Up for sale is a 1970 Dodge Charger RT/SE.  Originally a U code 440 automatic car.  Car must have had a rough life and been wrecked at sometime in it past.  Its had the body among other misc parts replaced.  VIN, Fender Tag, Door Tag, and Core Support all match the Title.  The original core support is loose with the car but is easily repaired during the restoration.

Structurally the car is in great shape and only has rust in the typical B body areas.  Frame Rails are solid from being a northwest car and also from being undercoated.  Floor pans have some minor surface rust but will not need replaced.  The trunk floor will need replaced and miscellaneous patches around rear window.  Quarters and rear valance also need replaced.  Doors and Trunk are in good shape.  The hood has a small spot of rust on the inside but over all is in pretty good shape.  The front fenders are a little rough but could be repaired if necessary. Tail lights are in good shape and most of the grill appears complete but some plastic is broken or missing.  Most of the trim is on the car and the front /rear window trim will come loose in the trunk. Interior is complete but needs restoration.  Car and parts wear original paint so nothing is hidden.   

Car runs and Drives but I would not consider road worthy.  We drive it around the yard and it starts easily and shifts through all the gears.  Some gauges work and some don't.  Current motor is a 2 barrel 318.

I'd say this car is 95% complete but obviously needs restored.  Many Dodge Chargers were built but very few were RT/SE.  Fender tag is pictured so that it can be decoded.    I tried to take pictures of all areas of car and feel free to ask any questions.

$500 Deposit due at the end of auction and complete payment made within 48 hours.  There are some local transportation companies and I'll try and help where possible with shipping.                       

[birdsandbees]

At least it comes with the rare B body trailer hitch!! 

[Kern Dog]

Needs restored. Needs replaced.
Christ...Is every classic car owner that posts FOR SALE ads an illiterate moron?

[hemi-hampton]

It looks like a gold 318 Charger with RT #'s switched from a green R/T car. Isn't this illegal

[Moparpoolman]

Might want to look closely at the trunk rail numbers to see what you got.  But It does have the SE emblem on the sail panel and the A47 on the tag

[cbrestorations]

Seller did say the body was replaced...I don't think he's trying to hide the fact it was rebodied

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agreed the seller is not trying to hide anything . looks like the re  rebody  is awaiting the new owner to complete ,   its still a heavy optioned gold XP /XH  318  floor shift auto charger , that's had R/T doors  dash steering column trunk lid rear tail light trim  fitted to it , the under hood shot shows what I think is the original 318 cars the fender tag , don't think this is the R/T tag  have a look at the pictures below , weather we  agree or not we all know  rebodies happen .  good luck to the seller &  new owner 
side note bet that was a nice 318 70 charger when new 

[70 sublime]

The car they are trying to sell that used to be a plain 318 car ( with some neat options ) did not require any of the parts from the green R/T car
The only parts that truly came from the R/T car are the dash frame , doors and the hunk of metal they have in the trunk that has the matching numbers for the rad support
Yes they say this up front so it is all out in the open

How many owners later will it take before this original R/T SE car was found in a barn someplace ........

Kind of why I started this thread so some of the history does not get lost on this one 

[alfaitalia]

Buts hes listing it as a RT/SE...which it plainly isn't. So much for him being honest....well he is....to a degree!


"Up for sale is a 1970 Dodge Charger RT/SE."  NO! 
"Originally a U code 440 automatic car"   NO!


If its not the original body then its not the original car......VIN tags do not maketh the car!

That ad would be pulled in the UK...for being an illegal car to sell. A rebody here gets a new government issued VIN and a licence plate that starts with a Q.....so EVERYBODY knows its not reaL....FOREVER!!! lol!

That will be passed off as the real deal.....one day.

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The car they are trying to sell that used to be a plain 318 car ( with some neat options ) did not require any of the parts from the green R/T car
The only parts that truly came from the R/T car are the dash frame , doors and the hunk of metal they have in the trunk that has the matching numbers for the rad support
Yes they say this up front so it is all out in the open

How many owners later will it take before this original R/T SE car was found in a barn someplace ........

Kind of why I started this thread so some of the history does not get lost on this one  

in the ad it says sometime in the past all this was done, i would of thought if it was done a long time ago, both cars would have been newer &  the guy who wrecked his R/T would not have just swapped above said parts , on to a 318 charger & said yippee ive got my 440 R/T back   with out the R/T engine & trans & doing some paint !  i recon all this happened pretty recently down the line of past owners ! example someone finds buys a rotted out mangled up 70 charger R/T less engine, then finds fairly optioned 70 318 car  may be had  a front end wreck,  guy with mangled / rotted out R/T body, buys  said 318 car & puts on all the half decent parts from the R/T & sources all front end sheet metal from some other place , think the hood was originally red   anyways i'm just speculating whats happened , bet the original R/T body has only gone to the crusher fairly recently,  


  this is just my  guess whats happened    , only person who really knows what when down with these two chargers, is who ever done it

[Alaskan_TA]

Moving numbers from one car to another is a felony.

Yet a few here say they have done it & even encourage others to do so.

Hopefully they all get busted someday.

[cbrestorations]

Buts hes listing it as a RT/SE...which it plainly isn't. So much for him being honest....well he is....to a degree!


"Up for sale is a 1970 Dodge Charger RT/SE."  NO! 
"Originally a U code 440 automatic car"   NO!


If its not the original body then its not the original car......VIN tags do not maketh the car!

That ad would be pulled in the UK...for being an illegal car to sell. A rebody here gets a new government issued VIN and a licence plate that starts with a Q.....so EVERYBODY knows its not reaL....FOREVER!!! lol!

That will be passed off as the real deal.....one day.

Actually the vin does make the car, they were all the same down the assembly line except hemi cars with torque boxes that even got missed sometimes

[cbrestorations]

Moving numbers from one car to another is a felony.

Yet a few here say they have done it & even encourage others to do so.

Hopefully they all get busted someday.

Not a felony if you legally own both cars, there's a dmv process and inspection for this. Here in Nevada anyway don't know about every state

[Alaskan_TA]

Moving numbers from one car to another is a felony.

Yet a few here say they have done it & even encourage others to do so.

Hopefully they all get busted someday.

Not a felony if you legally own both cars, there's a dmv process and inspection for this. Here in Nevada anyway don't know about every state

State laws can differ.

Per Federal law, moving ID numbers from one car to another is a felony.

VIN tampering, fraud,  etc.

[cbrestorations]

Moving numbers from one car to another is a felony.

Yet a few here say they have done it & even encourage others to do so.

Hopefully they all get busted someday.

Not a felony if you legally own both cars, there's a dmv process and inspection for this. Here in Nevada anyway don't know about every state

State laws can differ.

Per Federal law, moving ID numbers from one car to another is a felony.

VIN tampering, fraud,  etc.

So...every person who restores their dash, replaces a core support or trunk gutter is criminal? Damn...i bet 1/3 the people on here are guilty

[Alaskan_TA]

Moving numbers from one car to another is a felony.

Yet a few here say they have done it & even encourage others to do so.

Hopefully they all get busted someday.

Not a felony if you legally own both cars, there's a dmv process and inspection for this. Here in Nevada anyway don't know about every state

State laws can differ.

Per Federal law, moving ID numbers from one car to another is a felony.

VIN tampering, fraud,  etc.

So...every person who restores their dash, replaces a core support or trunk gutter is criminal? Damn...i bet 1/3 the people on here are guilty

Simple question for you based on that.

Do you honestly think that swapping federally mandated ID numbers from one car to another car is OK?

[cbrestorations]

Moving numbers from one car to another is a felony.

Yet a few here say they have done it & even encourage others to do so.

Hopefully they all get busted someday.

Yup, aslong as you can prove ownership for both cars. I'll be doing several cutting the top off a coronet and dropping a charger body on the platform
Not a felony if you legally own both cars, there's a dmv process and inspection for this. Here in Nevada anyway don't know about every state

State laws can differ.

Per Federal law, moving ID numbers from one car to another is a felony.

VIN tampering, fraud,  etc.

So...every person who restores their dash, replaces a core support or trunk gutter is criminal? Damn...i bet 1/3 the people on here are guilty

Simple question for you based on that.

Do you honestly think that swapping federally mandated ID numbers from one car to another car is OK?

Yup, if you legally own both cars. I'll be doing several chopping coronets off their platform and dropping chargers on them

[alfaitalia]

I would think even with my limited (I'm in UK) knowledge of your federal laws...that even if you do own both cars..... so basically you can do what you want to your own property..that your would be breaking federal law (so that's nationwide-so will make no difference which State you live in) the moment you sold either one of them. But I'm an limey ....so im not that switched on to your laws. Highly illegal here though (or anywhere else in Europe)...with a prison sentence to go with it. And whether you think (rightly or wrongly) that's it's legal...there is absolutely no doubt that it's morally wrong...a few owners downn the road it's most definitely going to be passed off as the real thing. How would you like to find out that your perfect genuine and original 69 Hemi you just bought for a great deal of cash...was actually basic /6 once....yeah I thought so.

As for the vin being the car..well you know what I meant...that's like saying that if I swapped my birth certificate with John Smith then I become John Smith...clearly not the case.

[Alaskan_TA]

Moving numbers from one car to another is a felony.

Yet a few here say they have done it & even encourage others to do so.

Hopefully they all get busted someday.

Yup, aslong as you can prove ownership for both cars. I'll be doing several cutting the top off a coronet and dropping a charger body on the platform
Not a felony if you legally own both cars, there's a dmv process and inspection for this. Here in Nevada anyway don't know about every state

State laws can differ.

Per Federal law, moving ID numbers from one car to another is a felony.

VIN tampering, fraud,  etc.

So...every person who restores their dash, replaces a core support or trunk gutter is criminal? Damn...i bet 1/3 the people on here are guilty

Simple question for you based on that.

Do you honestly think that swapping federally mandated ID numbers from one car to another car is OK?

Yup, if you legally own both cars. I'll be doing several chopping coronets off their platform and dropping chargers on them

Good to know.

I will never buy a car from you based on that alone.

[cbrestorations]

Moving numbers from one car to another is a felony.

Yet a few here say they have done it & even encourage others to do so.

Hopefully they all get busted someday.

Yup, aslong as you can prove ownership for both cars. I'll be doing several cutting the top off a coronet and dropping a charger body on the platform
Not a felony if you legally own both cars, there's a dmv process and inspection for this. Here in Nevada anyway don't know about every state

State laws can differ.

Per Federal law, moving ID numbers from one car to another is a felony.

VIN tampering, fraud,  etc.

So...every person who restores their dash, replaces a core support or trunk gutter is criminal? Damn...i bet 1/3 the people on here are guilty

Simple question for you based on that.

Do you honestly think that swapping federally mandated ID numbers from one car to another car is OK?

Yup, if you legally own both cars. I'll be doing several chopping coronets off their platform and dropping chargers on them

Good to know.

I will never buy a car from you based on that alone.

If you knew me...ude realize I could give 2 fucks less lol. I do good work and very fair prices, I don't have to look for work.

[hemi-hampton]

What was wrong with the 318 VINs that was on the car, like the Door & Dash & fender tag & core support, Were they damaged & needed replacing? I doubt it, so why change them then?

[70 sublime]

What was wrong with the 318 VINs that was on the car, like the Door & Dash & fender tag & core support, Were they damaged & needed replacing? I doubt it, so why change them then?

To make more money