HellCat Parking Lot.

[hemi-hampton]

Have you ever seen that many Hellcats in one spot?

[orange383]

I have now!
They are seriously good looking cars!

[VegasCharger]

Yes, at every damn Mopar show. 

[Kern Dog]

That is funny.
True though.

[cbrestorations]

Yes, at every damn Mopar show. 

Lol yeah I agree, could care less about new mopars and their flashy underbody lights, twinkly color changing headlights or custom painted engine plastics. I walk right past a demon to go look at base model f8 green challenger

[chargervert]

Yeah,your right,its terrible that Mopar is still building high horsepowered cars for everyone!

[Lennard]

Yeah,your right,its terrible that Mopar is still building high horsepowered cars for everyone!

No it's not. What's terrible about it is that they take them to a car show. If I go to my local Chrysler dealer, I see the exact same cars in the lot.

[chargervert]

Yeah right,and if they stop showing up to the shows,then the show will dwindle away to the point where they no longer have a show. Too many classic car owners are getting too old,too tired or too afraid to take their old school cars out to shows these days.

[Lennard]

Too many classic car owners are getting too old,too tired or too afraid to take their old school cars out to shows these days.

Not the classic car owners I hang out with.

[chargervert]

The numbers have been dwildling at most of the shows that I go to,We lost the Englishtown Mopar show,that used to be a great show back in the eighties,even Carlisle has about half the old school Mopars it had 10 years ago. The modern Mopar numbers are way up,and account for almost half of the participants. I'm glad they are there and showing up in numbers that help to keep the show going for everyone.

[cbrestorations]

The numbers have been dwildling at most of the shows that I go to,We lost the Englishtown Mopar show,that used to be a great show back in the eighties,even Carlisle has about half the old school Mopars it had 10 years ago. The modern Mopar numbers are way up,and account for almost half of the participants. I'm glad they are there and showing up in numbers that help to keep the show going for everyone.

I'm not saying its a bad thing mopar has cars that still have power and sell good, just my opinion is I could give 2 shits about seeing one at a show is all. My opinion and don't care what anyone has to say. it's just me...I don't own any newer cars and would rather have a ratty 318 column shift 68 charger over a demon

[BSB67]

Pretty cool.

I stopped going to car shows 15 years ago.  Same old cars, same people, talking the same stories, most of which is BS.  Just got tired of going to the bigger events as well and watching a bunch of 440 B bodies running 14s and 15s.  Muscle cars, right?  Truly embarrassing.  Same vendors selling the same stuff.  And then the endless talk about what was original and what is the correct bolt. 

I'll probably start going back if I get more spare time, but if I do, it'll be because of the new stuff freshening up the hobby.

[Kern Dog]

Pretty cool.

I stopped going to car shows 15 years ago.  Same old cars, same people, talking the same stories, most of which is BS.  Just got tired of going to the bigger events as well and watching a bunch of 440 B bodies running 14s and 15s.  Muscle cars, right?  Truly embarrassing.  Same vendors selling the same stuff.  And then the endless talk about what was original and what is the correct bolt. 

I'll probably start going back if I get more spare time, but if I do, it'll be because of the new stuff freshening up the hobby.

Well, THAT is a depressing view of things.

I like seeing the high end Mopars at the shows. I can appreciate them since they are not the everyday V6 or 5.7 cars. I own a 2015 Challenger R/T and while it is a great car, it is also far more common than a R/T Scat pack, a Hellcat or Demon.
I've written it many times and am glad to see others agree, these late models are keeping many shows alive. YES, the classics are what I prefer to see but since so many classic car owners are not bringing their cars out in public, the shows would be really sparse without the late model cars filling the gaps.
I LOVE the car shows, the cruise in events and all of that. Maybe that is a contributing factor in why I hate the Fall and Winter so much.

[odcics2]

Yeah,your right,its terrible that Mopar is still building high horsepowered cars for everyone!

[odcics2]

Regarding the original photo, the one to get would be a white one.
It'll be the rarest color, down the road... 

[JB400]

All those cars are probably 2015's being sublime.  It was discontinued until this year.

[VegasCharger]

I'd rather look at a 1976 Plymouth Volaré wagon, bone stock with a three on the tree, /6 than any new Challenger or Demon.

[BSB67]

Pretty cool.

I stopped going to car shows 15 years ago.  Same old cars, same people, talking the same stories, most of which is BS.  Just got tired of going to the bigger events as well and watching a bunch of 440 B bodies running 14s and 15s.  Muscle cars, right?  Truly embarrassing.  Same vendors selling the same stuff.  And then the endless talk about what was original and what is the correct bolt.  

I'll probably start going back if I get more spare time, but if I do, it'll be because of the new stuff freshening up the hobby.

Well, THAT is a depressing view of things.

I like seeing the high end Mopars at the shows. I can appreciate them since they are not the everyday V6 or 5.7 cars. I own a 2015 Challenger R/T and while it is a great car, it is also far more common than a R/T Scat pack, a Hellcat or Demon.
I've written it many times and am glad to see others agree, these late models are keeping many shows alive. YES, the classics are what I prefer to see but since so many classic car owners are not bringing their cars out in public, the shows would be really sparse without the late model cars filling the gaps.
I LOVE the car shows, the cruise in events and all of that. Maybe that is a contributing factor in why I hate the Fall and Winter so much.

I've probably done this a bit longer too.  I was a member of the car club that sponsored the first Mopar Nationals, called the Chrysler Car Club Convention held at the Chrysler Proving Grounds in Chelsea, MI in 1981.

[ht4spd307]

The numbers have been dwildling at most of the shows that I go to,We lost the Englishtown Mopar show,that used to be a great show back in the eighties,even Carlisle has about half the old school Mopars it had 10 years ago. The modern Mopar numbers are way up,and account for almost half of the participants. I'm glad they are there and showing up in numbers that help to keep the show going for everyone.

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[Q5XX29]

I'm not big on the whole car show scene, either. When I fire up my F8 Demon, it's to head to the dragstrip. If I do go to a show, I always take an old one. Firing one of those up always give much more of a "sense of occasion", and gets my heart pumping much more than this new stuff (fast and impressive as it is).

[cincyboy]

So why do people think they are afraid to bring them out? 

Also I had this discussion with my neighbor last night as he came over to watch me disassembling my car.  He was talking about how the interest in this is dying and he watched some cars go at auction for cheap.  Then he proceeds to tell me the next generation is not interested in this kinda work.  His grandkids have no interest in his cars.   

THoughts?  I'm not sure I agree.... it seems there are more car restoration shows than ever?   The prices of cars keep going up?  They are exporting American Muscle daily. 

Possible issues:

1.  Time.   Dual income families who spend every free second on their kids million ball games and activities so afraid their kids wont have every opportunity they they canb .
2.  Space   Has this really changed?
3  Money?   Classsic cars are getting more expensive.
4   Maybe its just the old time car shoe is tired.  Most don't allow the JDM crowd which is the next generation possibly.  So it isolates them and strengthens their identity.   The music at these shows is often a bore.   Its kinda like an old church with elderly members that don't wanna change and thus will die out.  Thoughts?   

[Mike DC]

 
The Mopar world has a very hard division between the "new" and "old".  Chrysler didn't build any RWD muscle cars for 30 years.  Chevy & Ford guys have decades of cars stretching across the middle.  The far ends of the Chevy & Ford hobbies have more common ground.  



As for young guys now . . . they just don't have any goddamn money.  There are other contributing factors but none of them are half as big as this one.  

It's not just that they can't buy old cars.  It's deeper.  The financial barrier prevents a lot of guys from even developing the interest.  The hobby is so expensive that they feel like they can't even relate to it.  Are you interested in Lear jets or big yachts?  

[Wingnut426]

Shouldn't this be in the "Car guys discussion" area? Last time I checked a Hellcat is a Challenger. 

[INTMD8]

Shouldn't this be in the "Car guys discussion" area? Last time I checked a Hellcat is a Challenger. 

Did you ever check to see if they made a Charger version? 

[Wingnut426]

LOTS of Chargers in the OPs pic!!!! 

[INTMD8]

LOTS of Chargers in the OPs pic!!!! 

Challenger pic doesn't mean all Hellcats are Challengers.  (last time I checked)   

Doesn't matter to me where this thread goes, or where Hellcats go.  (but would never bring mine to a car show)

[dodgey68]

Ok go back to 1968 or 69 take the same picture, and same comment, of they sell these high horse powered cars to every one,, flashy colours,  etc etc, 50 years later,  now there an icon in the mopar world,
now with this pic, with this generation, maybe the same will happen in 50 years after a fair few get written off, and left in sheds??

[hemi-hampton]

I don't have to many Hell Cat Charger pics. Here's one I worked on. LEON.

[BSB67]

Don't really understand the "old cars are to expensive" deal.  Most young people I know could easily afford a classic muscle car.  They just don't want one.   

When I was much younger, I could not care less about the cars from my dad's time, and my grandfather's time. Why would you think young people would want a car from your time period?  I'm not saying that there are not exceptions.   

[INTMD8]

I think it just depends on who you're talking to.  I work at a performance oriented automotive shop and know many young enthusiasts.  Many with newer cars and many with older cars.

I like cars before my time.  I was born in 78 and have a 59 Cadillac.  Would have a Duesenburg and many other pre war cars if I could afford them.

No doubt a lot of wants and therefore purchasing decisions are driven by nostalgia but a beautiful car is timeless and desired no matter what it's date of manufacture.

[Ponch ®]

The Mopar world has a very hard division between the "new" and "old". ....


As for young guys now . . . they just don't have any goddamn money...

...and the ones that do would rather buy a car that's ready to go with 700+ horsepower and won't randomly break down on you.  Any extra $ will be spent on visual modifications (wheels/paint or vinyl wrap/shiny lights every where) and/or some performance upgrades thatll give it even more power.  

They don't have the patience to spend $70K on a car they won't get to drive for another 5 years, when the resto shop is done with it. Instant gratification, that sort of thing.  And they're not necessarily wrong. There are exceptions, of course - some of them post here - but I've been in the "new" mopar scene for almost 15 years now and that seems to be the case in general.

[hemi-hampton]

To make this Charger related here it is when done. Had zero miles on it & brand new when damaged. LEON.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Just for curiosity, what happened to this new Charger & how does a dealership handle selling a brand new repaired car?

[Mike DC]

...and the ones that do would rather buy a car that's ready to go with 700+ horsepower and won't randomly break down on you.  Any extra $ will be spent on visual modifications (wheels/paint or vinyl wrap/shiny lights every where) and/or some performance upgrades thatll give it even more power.  

They don't have the patience to spend $70K on a car they won't get to drive for another 5 years, when the resto shop is done with it. Instant gratification, that sort of thing.  And they're not necessarily wrong. There are exceptions, of course - some of them post here - but I've been in the "new" mopar scene for almost 15 years now and that seems to be the case in general.

  --  The impatient ones are dealing with a bad case of common sense.  We shouldn't knock it just because we don't have it.  

If buyers in 1968 had to pay $7000 for a hot muscle car, and they could finally pick it up from the dealership in 1973 . . . there wouldn't have been a muscle car scene back then either.

[Ponch ®]

...and the ones that do would rather buy a car that's ready to go with 700+ horsepower and won't randomly break down on you.  Any extra $ will be spent on visual modifications (wheels/paint or vinyl wrap/shiny lights every where) and/or some performance upgrades thatll give it even more power.  

They don't have the patience to spend $70K on a car they won't get to drive for another 5 years, when the resto shop is done with it. Instant gratification, that sort of thing.  And they're not necessarily wrong. There are exceptions, of course - some of them post here - but I've been in the "new" mopar scene for almost 15 years now and that seems to be the case in general.

  --  The impatient ones are dealing with a bad case of common sense.  We shouldn't knock it just because we don't have it.  

If buyers in 1968 had to pay $7000 for a hot muscle car, and they could finally pick it up from the dealership in 1973 . . . there wouldn't have been a muscle car scene back then either.

yep common sense. people still argue about whether "new" muscle is better than "old" muscle. No sh*t, new cars are gonna wipe the floor with an old car. I don't even know why that's an argument. Those of us who still like the classics don't like them because they're "better", we just like them because...well, we like them. Like Coke v. Pepsi, In N Out v. Five Guys, and so on. You can argue about it all day but is subjective.

[hemi-hampton]

Just for curiosity, what happened to this new Charger & how does a dealership handle selling a brand new repaired car?

Some get sold at Auction if damage severe, & if minor gets sold at dealership. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff I had to repair on brand new cars.  New cars get damaged all the time. So when you pick up your new car at the Dealership do you really know what it's been through?

[HeavyFuel]

To make this Charger related here it is when done. Had zero miles on it & brand new when damaged. LEON.

The door guard block looks effective.   I could put some of those to work in my garage at home.   

[sccachallenger]

Many young drivers can't afford to drive anything.
Our daughters friend doesn't drive, he's 19.
Cost of insurance for his single parent is prohibitive, not to mention regular maintenance, repairs etc.
Right now he's concentrating on his education, hopefully one day he'll join the driven public, in a Mopar!

[VegasCharger]

Many young drivers can't afford to drive anything.
Our daughters friend doesn't drive, he's 19.
Cost of insurance for his single parent is prohibitive, not to mention regular maintenance, repairs etc.
Right now he's concentrating on his education, hopefully one day he'll join the driven public, in a Mopar!

I call BS. Now I'm NOT attacking you or your acquaintance but what ever happened to buying a beater for you first car? $1000.00 or less. Buy an old Buick or Olds 4 door car. Probably won't be beaten up due to them being driven by older generations. Drive it while saving up for your desired car. I bought me a winter beater so that I wouldn't rust up my 2001 Dodge Ram rust free from the desert. Into storage it went until spring and I'm driving a 1992 Buick Century that cost me $750.00.

My guess is that younger people don't want to be humiliated driving a SH!tty car. Wouldn't want that to get on Facebook, Twitter, Snap Chat, InstaGram or whatever social media BS. blah blah blah. So yeah go in debt buying a new car.

At least your acquaintance is smart enough not to buy something he can't afford.

[Kern Dog]

That is funny, Bryan....and probably true.
When we were kids, the worst was being humiliated in front of three or four guys. Nowadays, the kids seem to be totally lost without their social media attachments. When they fall from grace, it isn't just 3 or 4 people laughing at them, it could be a dozen, maybe a LOT more.
I often wonder how I would act if I were 19 today. AS far as I can recall, I have always done what I wanted, not what society did. I didn't wear the cool clothes or listen to the most popular music. I'd like to think that if I were 19 today, I'd still do my own thing a nd not give a shit about tech or social media.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Many young drivers can't afford to drive anything.
Our daughters friend doesn't drive, he's 19.
Cost of insurance for his single parent is prohibitive, not to mention regular maintenance, repairs etc.
Right now he's concentrating on his education, hopefully one day he'll join the driven public, in a Mopar!

I'll take you word on your friend's daughter, but many young people do buy expensive cars. I don't blame them for not wanting our old iron; I certainly had zero interest in cars from my dad's generation.

When I was 16, getting a job to save up for a car, and getting my driver's license was my ticket to freedom out of my parent's house. That was what everyone did until very recently. Too many of today's kids  choose not to drive because they don't want to leave the house. Why? ....because everything they want is on the computer screen that is always in front of their face. ....And many have the attitude that entry level jobs are beneath them. The same holds true for entry level cars.

[jefferson]

Ill chime in here, purely, because lets face it, honestly, im probably the youngest in this thread, let alone on this forum, im mid twenties, so i know all about my generation and yes very correct, there are VERY VERY VERY few young ones now as there first car drive a cheap, easy to drive, easy on the fuel, economical @shitbox. WHY? Because correcto, they dont want the humiliation, they dont want that on facebook, NOW EVERY mate of mine and there mate are financing 60k cars straight from the dealership, my first car when i was 18 was a 1988 beaten up camry, bought it for 1500 bucks, drove it for 5 years till i had the money to buy a newer camry, and NOW i also own a 68 charger. Ive done things imo the correct way, started from the bottom, worked my ass off, working 2 jobs, never cared if i was seen driving in a beaten up shitbox and look where it got me, not many mid twenty year olds own a classic dodge charger and trust me, they sure would want one. But you know what and why, they were silly enough to as there first car, go and get them selves locked into a stupid loan or mortage for 60 plus grand for there first car, i like to think of myself as not part of this generation because i have sense, unfortunatly tho being mid twenties i am, although i do alright for myself, i see everyone else my age in a world of debt and stupidity, putting everything on afterpay, layby, credit cards. Cars are no different.

They all want the latest and flashest thing, they all want to pose on instafacesnapchat online garbage with there brand new loan twin turbo BMW or Audi or whatever for 60-80grand and blend in with the rest of this damned young generation. Beyond help if you ask me, lucky i was smart enough to never get caught up into it. And im proud every step of the way in what i have achieved over the last 10 years with myself and my current situation.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Good job Jefferson!

[jefferson]

Many young drivers can't afford to drive anything.
Our daughters friend doesn't drive, he's 19.
Cost of insurance for his single parent is prohibitive, not to mention regular maintenance, repairs etc.
Right now he's concentrating on his education, hopefully one day he'll join the driven public, in a Mopar!

I'll take you word on your friend's daughter, but many young people do buy expensive cars. I don't blame them for not wanting our old iron; I certainly had zero interest in cars from my dad's generation.

When I was 16, getting a job to save up for a car, and getting my driver's license was my ticket to freedom out of my parent's house. That was what everyone did until very recently. Too many of today's kids  choose not to drive because they don't want to leave the house. Why? ....because everything they want is on the computer screen that is always in front of their face. ....And many have the attitude that entry level jobs are beneath them. The same holds true for entry level cars.

Many of todays kids do want to drive, but they only want to drive the latest and greatest straight out of the dealership, unless its desperate, over here in AUS, i RARELY ever see any young kid/teenager, twenty somthing driving a lower class car you know he has paid his own way thru, very very easy to tell if it has been financed and has put him in debt, can tell you that much. Good time to be in the new car sales bussiness i guess. Every kid turning 18 now and getting there license here, goes straight into the brand new dealership and bam, signs away for a 60k plus car. Gone are the days of going to used car lots and buying an older car for a few grand until you could save up yourself and buy what you really wanted. Like i did. But hey, i like to think im different. I do own a classic 68 charger and a mid newish car also. And im only in my twenties, Not one cent was borrowed, all the money for both cars was earnt with my own 2 hands. Nothing from banks, parents,friends, loans, mortgages etc etc.

[jefferson]

Good job Jefferson!

Not sure if your being a smart arse or actually complementing?
If your being a smart arse there is no need for it
But if your complementing, thanks i guess. Just had my head screwed on all my life.

[jefferson]

And btw  Mytur Binsdirti  i fixed the grill on my 68, so its no longer bent lol
Can be a smart arse on that one if you want, cos u had me 

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Good job Jefferson!

Not sure if your being a smart arse or actually complementing?
If your being a smart arse there is no need for it
But if your complementing, thanks i guess. Just had my head screwed on all my life.

Complimenting!

[INTMD8]

When I was 16, getting a job to save up for a car, and getting my driver's license was my ticket to freedom out of my parent's house.

Absolutely.  $3.25 an hour stocking shelves at a grocery store when I was 16 to buy a rusted out 4 door Nova. 

Paid for my own insurance, fuel, parts.  (so not relating to the -insurance too expensive for single parent- comment above)

[Mytur Binsdirti]

You were rich! My first job was as a bag-boy at a local supermarket making 1.85 per hour & in 1975, I managed to save up 700 bucks in six months to buy my first car; a 69 318 Charger.

[BSB67]

You were rich! My first job was as a bag-boy at a local supermarket making 1.85 per hour & in 1975, I managed to save up 700 bucks in six months to buy my first car; a 69 318 Charger.

You got screwed.  In 1975, I was making $2.10/hr, and bought my first car for $600, 1968 Charger, 383 2bbl. 

[Kern Dog]

Christ..I thought I was the same age as you guys. I graduated High School in 1983. In '82-83 I worked at Burger King, starting at $3.35/hr. I saved up to buy my first of 26 A body cars...a '69 2 door Dart !

[BSB67]

No shortage of folks on these muscle car forums talking about young kids cant afford old muscle cars, cant afford new cars, cant, cant, cant. Ive said it before, like some already has on this thread, THEY DONT WANT muscle cars.  Yes there are exceptions.

I have three kids in their 20s.  With friends and family and work, I probably know 50 young adults between 20 and 35.  They all come for middle class upbringing, at best. I don't think any one of them would want a muscle car.  All but 1 maybe 2 are doing just fine. All independent and reasonably self sufficient.  Some have very little money left over after bills, some have purchased a second home, some have several rental properties, some with considerable school debt, some with no school debt, some with $100,000+ boat&car, others driving 10 year old Accord's or similar.  I look at this group of young adults, and think they are doing a lot better than the thugs and dead beats that I grew up around.  Most cannot do the stuff I can do, mostly because they don't want to.  They also seem to have much better life experiences than we did at that age.

For the young adults that are financial misfits, its hard to blame anything but poor parenting in that regard.  Again, there are exceptions

[hemi-hampton]

I Remember paying only $150 for my 70 Charger in about 1987. Worked as a Paint body man way back then but can't remember what I made a hour. LEON.

[INTMD8]

You were rich! My first job was as a bag-boy at a local supermarket making 1.85 per hour & in 1975, I managed to save up 700 bucks in six months to buy my first car; a 69 318 Charger.

Haha, well this was in 94 so no, you guys did way better than me on the first job all things considered.

Thinking back now I think it was actually less than minimum wage because I was part time? Not sure if that makes sense or if I'm just remembering incorrectly.

Would have loved a 69 Charger as my first car. There was -one- at my high school.  Well kind of. It was a 70 with 68 quarters and a 69 front end and that set him back $3500.

My $800 bought a 73 Nova sedan with a 350.  I should have saved longer

[Kern Dog]

In 1983 when I was car shopping, I really wanted a 68-70 Charger but the ones that were running and driveable were all over $1500. I probably could have saved another 6-8 months and stepped up but I was tired of riding the bus to school and my bicycle to work.

[70 sublime]

Think it was around 1982 I bought my first 68 Charger for $600
Total rot box but learned a very good lesson on what to look for on the next one
6 months later bought another 68 for $800 and made my first F6 green Charger from the two of them 

How much was I making an hour ??
Sad to say I have only had one job off the farm and that was picking juice apples off the ground for 25 cents per crate ( bushel)
Or baby sitting ( or I called it playing with the kids next door Lego s after they went to bed)
Only money I made was using some birthday money to buy our farm baby bull calves and raise them up to sell
Now that was a looong time ago now

[VegasCharger]

.....i like to think of myself as not part of this generation because i have sense, unfortunatly tho being mid twenties i am, although i do alright for myself, i see everyone else my age in a world of debt and stupidity, putting everything on afterpay, layby, credit cards. Cars are no different.

They all want the latest and flashest thing, they all want to pose on instafacesnapchat online garbage with there brand new loan twin turbo BMW or Audi or whatever for 60-80grand and blend in with the rest of this damned young generation. Beyond help if you ask me, lucky i was smart enough to never get caught up into it. And im proud every step of the way in what i have achieved over the last 10 years with myself and my current situation.

Props to you Jefferson! 

A rare breed indeed you are. You'll be so far ahead of the same age group of folks who are in debt. They will live paycheck to paycheck and try to out do their Facebook mates even if that means going more into debt. Those 60K loans will be more like 100k after the debt is satisfied. I know people my age (56) who will always have a car payment until they can't drive anymore or pass away. CRAZY!

And yes Mytur Binsdirti was giving you a compliment! That GIF is from the 1970s sitcom The Jeffersons lol.

[jefferson]

.....i like to think of myself as not part of this generation because i have sense, unfortunatly tho being mid twenties i am, although i do alright for myself, i see everyone else my age in a world of debt and stupidity, putting everything on afterpay, layby, credit cards. Cars are no different.

They all want the latest and flashest thing, they all want to pose on instafacesnapchat online garbage with there brand new loan twin turbo BMW or Audi or whatever for 60-80grand and blend in with the rest of this damned young generation. Beyond help if you ask me, lucky i was smart enough to never get caught up into it. And im proud every step of the way in what i have achieved over the last 10 years with myself and my current situation.

Props to you Jefferson! 

A rare breed indeed you are. You'll be so far ahead of the same age group of folks who are in debt. They will live paycheck to paycheck and try to out do their Facebook mates even if that means going more into debt. Those 60K loans will be more like 100k after the debt is satisfied. I know people my age (56) who will always have a car payment until they can't drive anymore or pass away. CRAZY!

And yes Mytur Binsdirti was giving you a compliment! That GIF is from the 1970s sitcom The Jeffersons lol.

Thanks mate. Just somewhere along the line, i took a step back and realised just how much of a disgrace, the world, this generation, the young people are these days, To tell you the truth, i rarely ever even talk to young people these days i go that far to stay out of such a shitty generation. I Stick to myself and can just feel and see how worse and worse young people are becoming, also lazy work ethic, I can tell you right now, If you offered to pay a young kid a few grand per week to go work on a farm, he would turn it down. WHY? Because there lazy, they dont want to work hard and most of the time, they live off mum and dad, paycheck to paycheck. Dont get me wrong, men and women are as bad as each other, but i see women as of right now trying to get the easiest, most laid back jobs they can, im surrounded by them, lazy, easy jobs, minimum wage, financed cars, and most of them, living off hard working older guys, or parents. A lot of women i know, take easy jobs, personal trainers, receptionists, clerks, nothing really involved, compared to a lot of older women i know whom are either mechanics, truck drivers(loading and unloading)) Farm workers etc etc. The young generation is purely lazy and pathetic IMO and ill say it as much as i want because not one of them own or have worked as hard as i have to be able to even afford any of there own luxuries. Mine being my 68 RT charger. I know for a fact, there are plenty of hard working jobs going as i have plenty of contacts with older people who own, construction, sleel bussiness that will put on the books young men and even women but he struggles to find any because they dont want to bust there back, lugging steel, or concreting and laboring. He has even told me multiple times, do i know any young men or women wanting full time work, good money, allowance, working 8-12hour days but very physical work. Not one of them were interested. The girls would rather sit at a reception staring at a computer screen making 1/8th of the money and being a burden on there wealthier spouse/parents.
See it every day day in day out and its honestly pathetic. There are plenty of hard working jobs out there, the young people dont fucking want them. And i can put my 2 cents in IMO whenever i want, because i own an expensive classic 68 dodge charger, that was the benefit of my hard work because i worked my ass off for years on end, and dont see 1 of these young people doing what i did, and still do now.

[MoParJW]

Instant gratification, that sort of thing.

This seems to be a big factor to me, younger people don't seem to understand delayed gratification.
Personally I don't think money is the biggest factor, around here young guys would be into mopeds and honda civics and other relatively cheap hobbies until a few years ago.
Myself I was on a budget in my younger years and did the 4 door thing, it was all very doable, even here in the Netherlands, and I think it still is, but took some time and effort.

I don't really like to use that word, but ''millenials'', seem to want their fix right now, and rather use things like partydrugs and alcohol to release the good feelz, instead of actually building something and get gratification from that later on.
That is what I see around me, but I am on the other side of the pond so things may be different here.

[MoParJW]

.....i like to think of myself as not part of this generation because i have sense, unfortunatly tho being mid twenties i am, although i do alright for myself, i see everyone else my age in a world of debt and stupidity, putting everything on afterpay, layby, credit cards. Cars are no different.

They all want the latest and flashest thing, they all want to pose on instafacesnapchat online garbage with there brand new loan twin turbo BMW or Audi or whatever for 60-80grand and blend in with the rest of this damned young generation. Beyond help if you ask me, lucky i was smart enough to never get caught up into it. And im proud every step of the way in what i have achieved over the last 10 years with myself and my current situation.

Props to you Jefferson! 

A rare breed indeed you are. You'll be so far ahead of the same age group of folks who are in debt. They will live paycheck to paycheck and try to out do their Facebook mates even if that means going more into debt. Those 60K loans will be more like 100k after the debt is satisfied. I know people my age (56) who will always have a car payment until they can't drive anymore or pass away. CRAZY!

And yes Mytur Binsdirti was giving you a compliment! That GIF is from the 1970s sitcom The Jeffersons lol.

Thanks mate. Just somewhere along the line, i took a step back and realised just how much of a disgrace, the world, this generation, the young people are these days, To tell you the truth, i rarely ever even talk to young people these days i go that far to stay out of such a shitty generation. I Stick to myself and can just feel and see how worse and worse young people are becoming, also lazy work ethic, I can tell you right now, If you offered to pay a young kid a few grand per week to go work on a farm, he would turn it down. WHY? Because there lazy, they dont want to work hard and most of the time, they live off mum and dad, paycheck to paycheck. Dont get me wrong, men and women are as bad as each other, but i see women as of right now trying to get the easiest, most laid back jobs they can, im surrounded by them, lazy, easy jobs, minimum wage, financed cars, and most of them, living off hard working older guys, or parents. A lot of women i know, take easy jobs, personal trainers, receptionists, clerks, nothing really involved, compared to a lot of older women i know whom are either mechanics, truck drivers(loading and unloading)) Farm workers etc etc. The young generation is purely lazy and pathetic IMO and ill say it as much as i want because not one of them own or have worked as hard as i have to be able to even afford any of there own luxuries. Mine being my 68 RT charger. I know for a fact, there are plenty of hard working jobs going as i have plenty of contacts with older people who own, construction, sleel bussiness that will put on the books young men and even women but he struggles to find any because they dont want to bust there back, lugging steel, or concreting and laboring. He has even told me multiple times, do i know any young men or women wanting full time work, good money, allowance, working 8-12hour days but very physical work. Not one of them were interested. The girls would rather sit at a reception staring at a computer screen making 1/8th of the money and being a burden on there wealthier spouse/parents.
See it every day day in day out and its honestly pathetic. There are plenty of hard working jobs out there, the young people dont fucking want them. And i can put my 2 cents in IMO whenever i want, because i own an expensive classic 68 dodge charger, that was the benefit of my hard work because i worked my ass off for years on end, and dont see 1 of these young people doing what i did, and still do now.

Careful what you say about women in public my friend! But I see it also.

[Mike DC]

                
"Our young men have grown slothful. There is not a single honorable occupation for which they will toil night and day. They sing and dance and grow effeminate and curl their hair and learn womanish tricks of speech; they are as languid as women and deck themselves out with unbecoming ornaments. Without strength, without energy, they add nothing during life to the gifts with which they were born — then they complain of their lot."

                                                                                       - Seneca, 2000 years ago.



History is full of quotes like this.  Every generation makes the same complaints about the younger ones.  Any century, any country, it never changes.

[BSB67]

               
"Our young men have grown slothful. There is not a single honorable occupation for which they will toil night and day. They sing and dance and grow effeminate and curl their hair and learn womanish tricks of speech; they are as languid as women and deck themselves out with unbecoming ornaments. Without strength, without energy, they add nothing during life to the gifts with which they were born — then they complain of their lot."

                                                                                       - Seneca, 2000 years ago.



History is full of quotes like this.  Every generation makes the same complaints about the younger ones.  Any century, any country, it never changes.

Yup

[Kern Dog]

Yeah, the "seasoned" generation often sees the next group as being lazy and ungrateful while they forget what they were like.
WHO was it that wrote "The older I get, the FASTER I ran as a boy"...?

[BSB67]

And there is no shortage of very marginal 50 and 60 year olds.  I've done a lot of hiring and work with a pretty large group of people.  We've had better luck with the <35 age group.

[alfaitalia]

.....i like to think of myself as not part of this generation because i have sense, unfortunatly tho being mid twenties i am, although i do alright for myself, i see everyone else my age in a world of debt and stupidity, putting everything on afterpay, layby, credit cards. Cars are no different.

They all want the latest and flashest thing, they all want to pose on instafacesnapchat online garbage with there brand new loan twin turbo BMW or Audi or whatever for 60-80grand and blend in with the rest of this damned young generation. Beyond help if you ask me, lucky i was smart enough to never get caught up into it. And im proud every step of the way in what i have achieved over the last 10 years with myself and my current situation.

Props to you Jefferson!  

A rare breed indeed you are. You'll be so far ahead of the same age group of folks who are in debt. They will live paycheck to paycheck and try to out do their Facebook mates even if that means going more into debt. Those 60K loans will be more like 100k after the debt is satisfied. I know people my age (56) who will always have a car payment until they can't drive anymore or pass away. CRAZY!

And yes Mytur Binsdirti was giving you a compliment! That GIF is from the 1970s sitcom The Jeffersons lol.

Thanks mate. Just somewhere along the line, i took a step back and realised just how much of a disgrace, the world, this generation, the young people are these days, To tell you the truth, i rarely ever even talk to young people these days i go that far to stay out of such a shitty generation. I Stick to myself and can just feel and see how worse and worse young people are becoming, also lazy work ethic, I can tell you right now, If you offered to pay a young kid a few grand per week to go work on a farm, he would turn it down. WHY? Because there lazy, they dont want to work hard and most of the time, they live off mum and dad, paycheck to paycheck. Dont get me wrong, men and women are as bad as each other, but i see women as of right now trying to get the easiest, most laid back jobs they can, im surrounded by them, lazy, easy jobs, minimum wage, financed cars, and most of them, living off hard working older guys, or parents. A lot of women i know, take easy jobs, personal trainers, receptionists, clerks, nothing really involved, compared to a lot of older women i know whom are either mechanics, truck drivers(loading and unloading)) Farm workers etc etc. The young generation is purely lazy and pathetic IMO and ill say it as much as i want because not one of them own or have worked as hard as i have to be able to even afford any of there own luxuries. Mine being my 68 RT charger. I know for a fact, there are plenty of hard working jobs going as i have plenty of contacts with older people who own, construction, sleel bussiness that will put on the books young men and even women but he struggles to find any because they dont want to bust there back, lugging steel, or concreting and laboring. He has even told me multiple times, do i know any young men or women wanting full time work, good money, allowance, working 8-12hour days but very physical work. Not one of them were interested. The girls would rather sit at a reception staring at a computer screen making 1/8th of the money and being a burden on there wealthier spouse/parents.
See it every day day in day out and its honestly pathetic. There are plenty of hard working jobs out there, the young people dont fucking want them. And i can put my 2 cents in IMO whenever i want, because i own an expensive classic 68 dodge charger, that was the benefit of my hard work because i worked my ass off for years on end, and dont see 1 of these young people doing what i did, and still do now.

You really are tarring all the young with the same brush there mate....they are far from all like that. I know lots of hard working young folks who earn the money to buy what they want/need. I bet the percentage of bone idle lazy scroungers that don't want to work hard and want everything NOW is pretty much the same as we were kids.....the difference is that we were part of that generation back then and too young to care so we didn't notice!!....now we look at that age group from outside with the benefit of hide site and experience!!

As for those with a life long car payment goes...well blame the car industry. Over here they really push personal car leasing schemes. That way you can run a far better car on the cheap rather than paying for it out right on finance or saving up the cash to buy it. Lets face it how many can really save of that sort of amount these days anyway...regardless of age. The car industry loves it as the cars have to changed every three to five years so it keep new sales going and gives a good supply of quality used cars with a good service history. Its a relatively cheap way to always run a new car....so its pushed hard,....and people fall for it.

[HANDM]

I also disagree, both my kids 18 and 24 have full time jobs

And by the way

There = It's right there
Their = It's their choice
They're = They're sitting right there with their friends

Just doing my part to promote literacy  

[b5blue]

What is I'ts? 

[Kern Dog]

I also disagree, both my kids 18 and 24 have full time jobs

And by the way

There = It's right there
Their = It's their choice
They're = They're sitting right there with their friends

Just doing my part to promote literacy  

Thank you for that. I appreciate the effort!