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4 spd parts

Started by 70 sublime, January 02, 2019, 11:19:56 PM

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70 sublime

I know this is probably not the right place but will get a better response till the topic gets moved

There is a local 72 Charger close to me with a 440 4spd set up in it
It looks hacked in

I know nothing about 4 spd parts
Was wondering how many of these parts would fit or are the right ones to bolt into a 70 Charger 
next project 70 Charger FJ5 green

400sforever

That is extremely screwed up haha. .the shifting rods have no business being inside the floor plans lol. If you get different shifting rods, the correct shifter could be moved up to the front mounting pad on the tranny and it'd work in a 70 as far as I know
1974 dodge charger se 512 cubic inches, 3.91 suregrip

70 sublime

Also wondering if all the clutch rods to the pedal are all the same parts  :shruggy:
next project 70 Charger FJ5 green

mr. hemi

That tranny and shifter appears to have been scavaged from a "E" body. As the previous response indicates, it will work in the '70 Charger if you get the correct shifter linkage and relocate to the front mount. That appears to be a Hurst Competition Plus shifter, although the stop bolts are missing. That would be worth salvaging as well. That appears to be an "E" body shifter handle as well, but that is easily changed. Can't help with the clutch / brake pedal question. I am not that familiar with '71 and up "B" bodies.
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birdsandbees

Looks like a "Bewdley Special" ! You can make anything work. Even A body pedals will bolt into a B body and C body. Question is what all do you get for your $'s and is it close to what you are after?
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1969 'Bee WM21H9A230241
1969 Dart Swinger LM23P9B190885
1967 Plymouth Barracuda Formula S
1966 Plymouth Satellite HP2 - 9941 original miles
1964 Dodge 440 62422504487

Nacho-RT74

why you say it's an E body linkage and shifter location? 71/74 B shares the same console and stuff than E bodies.
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http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

70 sublime

Another picture of shift handle

As for what I might be looking for
I did recently pick up a 70 Charger with no drive train
Never had a big block standard car before so ...

I have been watching the local classifieds for parts but the price they all seem to want for things is making this whole car look cheap if all the parts can be had in one shot
next project 70 Charger FJ5 green

John_Kunkel

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on January 03, 2019, 12:22:34 PM
why you say it's an E body linkage and shifter location? 71/74 B shares the same console and stuff than E bodies.

Maybe but the rear shifter location is E-body. Engine/trans position in the body determines the location of the opening in the console.
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Alaskan_TA

Quote from: John_Kunkel on January 03, 2019, 01:29:29 PM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on January 03, 2019, 12:22:34 PM
why you say it's an E body linkage and shifter location? 71/74 B shares the same console and stuff than E bodies.

Maybe but the rear shifter location is E-body. Engine/trans position in the body determines the location of the opening in the console.

For 1971 up, B-bodies used the rear mount with bucket seats with or without console & the front position for bench seat / bucket seats with buddy seat applications.

Same for the A230 three speeds.

Mike DC

   
Nice inside door handle on the passenger door.


RallyeMike

QuoteNice inside door handle on the passenger door.

Almost as good as the roll cage tacked to the floor pan. What a prize!

QuoteFor 1971 up, B-bodies used the rear mount with bucket seats with or without console & the front position for bench seat / bucket seats with buddy seat applications.

:iagree:
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1972 Charger, Grand Sport #41
1973 Charger "T/A"

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Moparpoolman

In 1970 the A 833 went to a two location shifter pad on the tail housing so it could be used for both B & E Body applications, the B body on the front pad and the E body on the rear pad.  As for Later year B bodies, I DO know that 71-72 B bodies have the same uni-body structure from the radiator support to where the front floor pan meets the rear floor pan , but the fire wall is different.

2nd pic -Here's a Picture of a 1971 B body front clip, It will fit right into an E Body
1st pic -This is a picture of a 1970 B body and Pretty sure 68 and 69 too

70 sublime

Quote from: Moparpoolman on January 03, 2019, 10:15:36 PM
In 1970 the A 833 went to a two location shifter pad on the tail housing so it could be used for both B & E Body applications, the B body on the front pad and the E body on the rear pad.  As for Later year B bodies, I DO know that 71-72 B bodies have the same uni-body structure from the radiator support to where the front floor pan meets the rear floor pan , but the fire wall is different.


So the clutch linkage in this car should fit a 70 Charger ?
I already have the clutch brake pedal set up out of a 68
next project 70 Charger FJ5 green

Alaskan_TA

All manual transmission 1970 B-bodies did use the front shifter mount.

All manual transmission 1970 E-bodies did use the rear shifter mount.

For the '71 & up model years, that changed due to the new floor pans & relative seating options available in the Bs & Es.


Moparpoolman

Quote from: 70 sublime on January 03, 2019, 10:36:20 PM
Quote from: Moparpoolman on January 03, 2019, 10:15:36 PM
In 1970 the A 833 went to a two location shifter pad on the tail housing so it could be used for both B & E Body applications, the B body on the front pad and the E body on the rear pad.  As for Later year B bodies, I DO know that 71-72 B bodies have the same uni-body structure from the radiator support to where the front floor pan meets the rear floor pan , but the fire wall is different.


So the clutch linkage in this car should fit a 70 Charger ?
I already have the clutch brake pedal set up out of a 68
I'm not sure on clutch linkage, maybe someone else can chime in or look up the parts for both applications and see if they have the same part numbers.  
I think the clutch brake pedal set up out of a 68 should be same as 70 but not sure.

Alaskan_TA

Quote from: 70 sublimeSo the clutch linkage in this car should fit a 70 Charger ?
I already have the clutch brake pedal set up out of a 68

The '68 pedal setup is different than '70.

The '70 also has some very specific 'one year only' linkage & parts due to the reverse lockout system.

Nacho-RT74

Quote from: John_Kunkel on January 03, 2019, 01:29:29 PM
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on January 03, 2019, 12:22:34 PM
why you say it's an E body linkage and shifter location? 71/74 B shares the same console and stuff than E bodies.

Maybe but the rear shifter location is E-body. Engine/trans position in the body determines the location of the opening in the console.

Well, same than 71/74 B!
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

AKcharger

Take a look at this thread, lots of photos might help answer or clarify things

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95764.0.html