Resale/decide between STOCK for the collector or doing MODS for a better car?

[Challenger340]

I just don't believe, imo, that you did badly price-wise at all considering your Charger's other strong points ?

It is an R/T, (suspension/torsion bars/sway bars, fuel line etc)
It is a 4 spd
It appears to be a quite solid rust free bones example.
and,
it is certainly a more than presentable, good looking Car.

Fix the current issues, wiring/gauges/suspension etc., or whatever needed for trouble free enjoyment, then decide later what to do ?
Just saying that I believe your Charger is a more than viable asset/starting point currently with/without a B-Sheet or Fender Tag than many others I see purchased for close to the same money !

Think of it this way....
would you rather have paid $25-30K for a 4 spd R/T with Tag/B-Sheet/#'s matching.... that also needs a $50K resto rust repair, and a $10K Engine & Trans rebuild ?

[69B5]

Still struggling to get pics small enough

The motor seems to say

10 18 67
25364307
D     N  

The past owner said he found what was left of a build sheet, but it was tattered corners and he threw it out

trans says

E 4

C  87622

[Moparpoolman]

Here's a thought to kick around in your head and maybe make you feel a little better.  You can use the money you didn't spend on your time and travel expenses like Air travel, rental car, hotel, food and misc expenses going out to see the car in person which would add up to a few grand and use that money to fix up what you got.  

[Moparpoolman]

Still struggling to get pics small enough

The motor seems to say

10 18 67
25364307
D     N  

The past owner said he found what was left of a build sheet, but it was tattered corners and he threw it out

trans says

E 4

C  87622

The Engine is probably out of a 68 and would have a VIN up where the bellhousing meets the block near the oil psi switch, but doesn't matter much because the Ebay ad does NOT say orig engine but it does Say Original Trans which would have a VIN or partial VIN on the pad located  PASSENGER side of the trans. Either full VIN if an early car XS29L9BXXXXXX or just 9BXXXXXX  if a later car, get that number.  Look at the pics in your other thread.

[Alaskan_TA]

If they were installed in a '69 model year car, the VIN stamps would be on the passenger side of the engine, down low & on the passenger side of the 4-speed case.

Look for small raised pads, about 3" long.

(these numbers will be stamped in, not cast in)

[Alaskan_TA]

If it had an automatic, then the VIN stamp would be on top of the bellhousing.

[hemi-hampton]

It looks to be a solid rust free California car. If so that could of just saved you $50k in paint & body work on a rust bucket, like most Chargers. I'd totally rebuild the front Suspension, Buy a Front Suspension rebuild Kit & rebuild the whole front Suspension. Then drive it all next summer & have fun with it. From the pics it don't look to bad & I don't think you got ripped off to much. LEON.

[nchrome]

69b5 don't feel too bad  l paid high teens for my rust bucket new frame rails cross members floor pans trunk floor quarter panels and one wheel well. And am still building.Yours doesn't look bad l would just drive the wheels off of it and enjoy. Then up grade if you still want and then drive the wheels off of it again. That's my plan after l get mine done and l don't care what anybody says about her she's mine and l'm going to enjoy her all l can. Then let it be the kids problem after l'm gone

[Mytur Binsdirti]

So my friend says since I was already 'raped' buying this sight un seen, 

I certainly hope that you were lubed, and the seller supplied and applied the KY.

[wingcar]

Bottom line is.....No matter what you do to your Charger, there will always be some "expert" that we just have to express he's opinion.  That why you need to build it the way you want and don't worry about those big mouth know it all's........

Even is you leave it stock.....some moron will just have to tell you how the factory never did this or that.....

Build it to please yourself and not others.......

[Y1CHARGER]

69B5, I think from the pictures I see, and the descriptions I've read including your own in your Craigs list ad, and the the price you paid I think it was a fair deal.  My input is shown by the Blue writing.  I  have read your other thread also and  few things are popping out at me.  Did the "Friend" that said you got raped see the pictures we are all seeing in the ebay ad and was he involved in your purchase decision or he's just looking at the car that showed up and the price you paid?  Also the ad does state "Vehicle is sold as-is condition with no warranty, buyer is responsible to check vehicle out prior to bidding"  
Now, the list of things wrong that you posted in the other thread, Many can be seen in the pictures, for example

* front end is all but falling off, already mentioned (and tires so worn, down to the cords on the inner edge, almost killed me on way home)BUT
Can see from pictures that left front tire for sure has excessive wear on inside, signs of front end problems
Told has a beautiful 10K paint job.....very amateur...just redone, and it's a 10 footer. Has bondo in the very few spots it rusted, not well done, and filler over dents etc
quote from ebay ad"Its a nicely restored charger but not a frame off museum piece"
No working gauges...the amp meter will flicker every now and again, but no speedo, no gas gauge, no clock, no tack

No hazards, no turn signals (except right front), no dash lights, no brake lights, no reverse lights

Cracked dash top. Cracked windshield.
Can see cracked dash in pictures
Said numbers matching. How I doubt that (pics attached). Hi rise intake, came no air cleaner filter, went to buy one, but the hood won't close with an air cleaner filter in it
440 Engine rebuilt mated to its original 4 speed manual transmission does not mean Matching Numbers and there is clear pics of engine/intake and no air cleaner
Blows some smoke, but not sure why

Gas tank leaky somewhere
Can see gas tank in the pictures, obvious it leaks when full
On the way, the tail light trim rings just fell off

No horn
Can see horn missing from pictures
No heat
can see in pictures that heater core is bypassed on fire wall
Headlights don't flip over.....and the parts that make it do that aren't even on the car
can see in pictures that the vacuum lines are missing from hole in firewall by the brake booster
Drivers door won't lock

Drivers door glass is like a inch away from the back seat glass (one is pulled further out then the other......the edge line up but don't meet flat)

Weird "tear" inside engine compartment....never seen anything like that before. Area inside door opening right under rear quarter glass just kind of separating and coming apart

Ask if front disc brakes, told yes. It's drum
can tell by pictures has drum brake master cylinder  
Told it had the hood turn signals. There is nothing in the hood, no wires going to it, nothing
Can tell from pictures that there are no hood turn signal lights
No rear arm rest, ash tray on the other side gone....small, nit pick but I am already annoyed about the bigger things
Pictures show no rear armrest on one side

I think that if you were not going to see the car in person and if you asked someone that knew these cars to look at the pictures, they could have pointed out a bunch of things like I just did.  I still like your car!

[Moparpoolman]

Craig's list ad deleted, Did you sell the car?

[Mytur Binsdirti]

69B5, I think from the pictures I see, and the descriptions I've read including your own in your Craigs list ad, and the the price you paid I think it was a fair deal.  My input is shown by the Blue writing.  I  have read your other thread also and  few things are popping out at me.  Did the "Friend" that said you got raped see the pictures we are all seeing in the ebay ad and was he involved in your purchase decision or he's just looking at the car that showed up and the price you paid?  Also the ad does state "Vehicle is sold as-is condition with no warranty, buyer is responsible to check vehicle out prior to bidding"  
Now, the list of things wrong that you posted in the other thread, Many can be seen in the pictures, for example

* front end is all but falling off, already mentioned (and tires so worn, down to the cords on the inner edge, almost killed me on way home)BUT
Can see from pictures that left front tire for sure has excessive wear on inside, signs of front end problems
Told has a beautiful 10K paint job.....very amateur...just redone, and it's a 10 footer. Has bondo in the very few spots it rusted, not well done, and filler over dents etc
quote from ebay ad"Its a nicely restored charger but not a frame off museum piece"
No working gauges...the amp meter will flicker every now and again, but no speedo, no gas gauge, no clock, no tack

No hazards, no turn signals (except right front), no dash lights, no brake lights, no reverse lights

Cracked dash top. Cracked windshield.
Can see cracked dash in pictures
Said numbers matching. How I doubt that (pics attached). Hi rise intake, came no air cleaner filter, went to buy one, but the hood won't close with an air cleaner filter in it
440 Engine rebuilt mated to its original 4 speed manual transmission does not mean Matching Numbers and there is clear pics of engine/intake and no air cleaner
Blows some smoke, but not sure why

Gas tank leaky somewhere
Can see gas tank in the pictures, obvious it leaks when full
On the way, the tail light trim rings just fell off

No horn
Can see horn missing from pictures
No heat
can see in pictures that heater core is bypassed on fire wall
Headlights don't flip over.....and the parts that make it do that aren't even on the car
can see in pictures that the vacuum lines are missing from hole in firewall by the brake booster
Drivers door won't lock

Drivers door glass is like a inch away from the back seat glass (one is pulled further out then the other......the edge line up but don't meet flat)

Weird "tear" inside engine compartment....never seen anything like that before. Area inside door opening right under rear quarter glass just kind of separating and coming apart

Ask if front disc brakes, told yes. It's drum
can tell by pictures has drum brake master cylinder  
Told it had the hood turn signals. There is nothing in the hood, no wires going to it, nothing
Can tell from pictures that there are no hood turn signal lights
No rear arm rest, ash tray on the other side gone....small, nit pick but I am already annoyed about the bigger things
Pictures show no rear armrest on one side

I think that if you were not going to see the car in person and if you asked someone that knew these cars to look at the pictures, they could have pointed out a bunch of things like I just did.  I still like your car!

I'd also be willing to bet that the windshield washers don't work either.

[69B5]

I did not sell the car. I decided to start work on the front end.  

As far as the things that were pointed out by you that I missed (all my fault I guess) , yes I should of known from the pictures, but obviously you are a car expert. I am not. I had no idea how the headlights flip until the car came and they didn't , so I had to research it 

It is true there were things I did not ask about, and when they came in bad (no headlight stuff, no heater, etc) well that's my fault because I didn't think to ask about it on the "nicely restored" daily driver. So yes, shame on me and I agree. I accept that

However, I also asked ...POINT BLANK ..........

Is it front disc brakes? YES
do all the gauges work? YES (none do)
I saw the tank, so it leaks? (no, I just washed the car it was still wet)
The front tires look wrong and bowed (It is just a picture effect, it is actually fine in person)
Is it numbers matching? (for sure, yes)
etc    etc   etc .. the list goes on

True, none of the above statements were in the listing, but it was "man to man" on a phone call and I was lied to

You are correct that some of the above pictures may show things a more expert would see. So I can accept the things I did not know to ask, even if I think it's wrong not to bring it up, and he took advantage of that. But what I am saying here is much of it WAS asked. His pre inspection was not possible because he said the reserve was 50k but the ONLY way to get the 47k was to do it within 24 hours so he could land a sunroof R/T, otherwise price goes up  

So I get your point, but it does not at all change the fact, yes fact, I was lied to and the things I was told effected my purchase decision

By the way, when I sell something myself when someone responds I list every last thing wrong with it I know about. Apparently I am different and I want to treat others the same way I want to be treated. I guess that isn't the name of the game any more

[JB400]

I think you've made the right choice by not selling it. Even though it has a load of problems, you'll know how they're fixed.

[hemi-hampton]

Were you able to leave him negative feedback on ebay for lying to you & misrepresenting the car. The $47 now sounds like a ploy to get around any inspection. Probably knew if someone was to actually inspect it would end up in a No Sale. Scammer. Good Luck, at least you got a more solid car then a lot of others. LEON.