why has this charger not sold?

[jefferson]

I cant seem to pick this one?

Ive emailed them and there willing to go as low as 40k for the car, been up for a few months on ebay now
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Charger-FRAME-UP-RESTORED-440-BIG-BLOCK-EASY-FINANCING-CA/283256005928?hash=item41f35fa528:g:oj0AAOSwcT5b6LBI:rk:10:pf:0&vxp=mtr

For a 40k car its not pefect but its solid/clean/ a nice looking driver. And not absurd in the 60-100k range we are now seeing chargers being advertised for.

Is there something im missing? lol

[ACUDANUT]

 ...The camber looks off. What does the frame look like ? Looks like a good buy. 

[paironines]

It hasnt sold probably because of lack of details, smoothed rear valence corners (bondoed?) and its still a 318 car. The market is tough on cobbled cars like this.

[Challenger340]

Rockers, wheel wells, rear valence, grill and fender spacing, wheel alignment, 318 car 5/16" Fuel Line and light Torsion Bars/Suspension.... I could go on and on here, not to mention the "garbage" 440 that won't get out of it's own way.

IMO, and from what I'm seeing, a closer personal inspection would reveal no more than lipstick on a pig for a sale.
And as mentioned,
it can be a tough sell on cobbled/spruced up 318 cars trying to capitalize in the current market unless they are perfect, and this one isn't !

In reality and again imo, anyone is better served adding to a $40K Budget
because anywhere between $50-65K should get someone a very fine R/T model that will hold it's own under inspection, either a pretty darn solid original, or well restored(NOT like this example), with some good documentation in support of that equity/valuation, like Fender Tag/Broadcast Sheet, and quite often still numbers matching drivetrain.

 

[Birdflu]

Rockers, wheel wells, rear valence, grill and fender spacing, wheel alignment, 318 car 5/16" Fuel Line and light Torsion Bars/Suspension.... I could go on and on here, not to mention the "garbage" 440 that won't get out of it's own way.

IMO, and from what I'm seeing, a closer personal inspection would reveal no more than lipstick on a pig for a sale.
And as mentioned,
it can be a tough sell on cobbled/spruced up 318 cars trying to capitalize in the current market unless they are perfect, and this one isn't !

In reality and again imo, anyone is better served adding to a $40K Budget
because anywhere between $50-65K should get someone a very fine R/T model that will hold it's own under inspection, either a pretty darn solid original, or well restored(NOT like this example), with some good documentation in support of that equity/valuation, like Fender Tag/Broadcast Sheet, and quite often still numbers matching drivetrain.

 

[Kern Dog]

...The camber looks off. What does the frame look like ? Looks like a good buy. 

I suppose that you align your car to stock specifications and don't care to add a little negative camber for better handling ?

[bigdsul]

I've noticed that most car dealerships ask for well above what the cars are worth all the while doing sub par work on the cars.

It looks rushed all together. I'd hate to find out what else has been rushed on that car upon close inspection. It's a nice enough car but not for the price they are asking for it. I imagine it will eventually go overseas

[A383Wing]

Factory AC car, yet all the holes in the firewall have been covered up from the inside....also, no heater controls, so no heater in the car at all.....

Looking at all the body panel gaps......this is just a pig with lipstick on

[70 sublime]

No center A/C vent but it has the side vents
No water pipes running for heater so maybe nothing under the dash at all

Quarters have been patched on
Wonder what the trunk floor really looks like under that mat stuff stuck on everything .....

[A383Wing]

No center A/C vent but it has the side vents
No water pipes running for heater so maybe nothing under the dash at all

Yea...that was kind of my point, looks like all the AC & heater stuff is missing..........and I also wondered about the condition of the trunk floor under all that stick on insulation.....

so much for "full restoration", huh?

[Mike DC]

 
The suspension/camber doesn't look messed up to me.  It just looks like the torsion bars are cranked pretty low. 

Look at the center point of the front wheel, and compare its height in relation to the body lines on the fender & door & rocker panel.  That shows the height of the suspension itself without being affected by tire/wheel sizes.

[green69rt]

That dealer also has a 383 4SP car up for about $60K.  Seems like they are marking their cars up about 20-30% over market and that 4SP may be 40%, but.... we've all seen a bunch of cars up for big bucks.  This may be the market.     I read the delusional sellers forum and wonder if the prices on it are the future.

[Challenger340]

 
The suspension/camber doesn't look messed up to me.  It just looks like the torsion bars are cranked pretty low. 

Look at the center point of the front wheel, and compare its height in relation to the body lines on the fender & door & rocker panel.  That shows the height of the suspension itself without being affected by tire/wheel sizes.

Listing ended already.

But I'm wondering if maybe the 318/904 Torsion bars were just "sacked" out under the 440/727's weight ?

[RECHRGD]

As said, that car has issues and in my opinion, not as represented.  When I sold my '68 clone a couple of months ago, it went for that kind of money, but it's a nicely done car.  All drivetrain and suspension was at R/T specs or better.  Everything worked, new interior, dash completely restored.  The 440 was healthy, upgraded tranny from Cope Racing, Gear Vendors OD, 95% original sheet metal, no rust and on an on. 

[chargerperson]

No center A/C vent but it has the side vents
No water pipes running for heater so maybe nothing under the dash at all

Yea...that was kind of my point, looks like all the AC & heater stuff is missing..........and I also wondered about the condition of the trunk floor under all that stick on insulation.....

so much for "full restoration", huh?

What is up with the trunk?  Who would ever call that "restored"?

[nchrome]

the lower part of the fire wall is green and so is the radiator support. why didn't they spray them also. at least for that kind a money ya think that would of been done or even rattle canned to match the rest of the car. 

[stripedelete]

Someone must have misplaced the bumberettes.

[johnnycharger]

Pardon my ignorance but how do you know it is a 318 car?
I must be missing something.

[Birdflu]

Pardon my ignorance but how do you know it is a 318 car?
I must be missing something.

The VIN number was listed in the eBay ad...

[cdr]

it also has 8 1/4 rear end

[ACUDANUT]

 
The suspension/camber doesn't look messed up to me.  It just looks like the torsion bars are cranked pretty low. 

Look at the center point of the front wheel, and compare its height in relation to the body lines on the fender & door & rocker panel.  That shows the height of the suspension itself without being affected by tire/wheel sizes.

Listing ended already.

But I'm wondering if maybe the 318/904 Torsion bars were just "sacked" out under the 440/727's weight ?

I have 70 Charger that came originally with a 318. Now a has a 426 Wedge with a 4 speed. (done over 35 years ago).  No sacked out suspension or Torsion bars. 
Where do you get this info ?

[white]

If I remember correctly, the torsion bars are the same on 6 cylinder and 318 cars light duty rear axle and 10 inch front brakes, 383-440 cars have larger torsion bars and either 10inch or 11inch front brake options/ disk / and better rear axle options . 426 has heavy duty brakes/ rear axle and torsion bars and modified k frame.

[Challenger340]

 
The suspension/camber doesn't look messed up to me.  It just looks like the torsion bars are cranked pretty low.  

Look at the center point of the front wheel, and compare its height in relation to the body lines on the fender & door & rocker panel.  That shows the height of the suspension itself without being affected by tire/wheel sizes.

Listing ended already.

But I'm wondering if maybe the 318/904 Torsion bars were just "sacked" out under the 440/727's weight ?

I have 70 Charger that came originally with a 318. Now a has a 426 Wedge with a 4 speed. (done over 35 years ago).  No sacked out suspension or Torsion bars.  
Where do you get this info ?

Different Torsion Bars were used from factory for handling depending upon the Engine application, ie: weight, model, performance or non, same as the rear leaf springs packs/sway bars etc., etc.  

I believe the R/T & Hemi Cars were pretty much the same being code "S15" on the Broadcast Sheet, but the B-Sheet also containing the 3 digit identifier for T-Bars and rear leafs used in the Car.

Below is just a partial List(there are more) as a general guide on Frt Torsion Bars exampling diameters and load rates, same went for rear leafs but I don't have those numbers as per applications anywhere.

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[A383Wing]

Front sway bar seems to me MIA also

[Kern Dog]

Yeah...I thought the sway bar was standard on all Chargers.

[ACUDANUT]

the lower part of the fire wall is green and so is the radiator support. why didn't they spray them also. at least for that kind a money ya think that would of been done or even rattle canned to match the rest of the car. 

Where do you see Green?

[JB400]

People need to learn a thing or two on stance.

[Birdflu]

I think it's the first Charger I've seen with an 8 1/4" rear end... 

[ACUDANUT]

 I had a 70 Charger 500, back in 1985 that had one.  318 auto

[Mike DC]

                 
The 8.25 rear was on the small block cars from '69 and up.    
           

[Kern Dog]

Along with some 383 2 barrel cars.
I am working a deal on a 1970 XH Charger with a 383-727, bench seat-column shift with A/C and a 8 1/4 axle.

[A383Wing]

Yeah...I thought the sway bar was standard on all Chargers.

It is...and I don't even see the sway bar end ink tabs on the lower control arms to attach one to.......maybe that's why the bar is not on the car

[ACUDANUT]

Never say Never.

[moparfan53]

                 
The 8.25 rear was on the small block cars from '69 and up.    
         

Not all small block cars had the 8.25. I bought a 318 car from the original owner back in 1974. It had the 8.75.

There is a Chrysler service bulletin dated Feb 5, 1969 that had the 8.25 repair/overhaul information because it was not in the original service manual (I assume because the 8.25 axle was not available/in production when the manual was printed). Below are two pages from the manual (courtesy Hamtramck Historical).  

One page says the 8.25 axle "will be introduced as a running change in the first half of the 1969 model year". To me, "first half" would be Aug to Dec/Jan. The Charger I had showed a March 1969 SPD, so...  

I have seen 318 cars both ways. Mine had power disc brakes and power steering. Maybe the options affected which axle was installed?

[Kern Dog]

Thank you for that. I like the tech bulletins. 

[hemi-hampton]

At first glance the car looks nice with it's nice shiny new paint. But looking closer looks like Earl Scheibed Perfume on a Pig. Besides 1/4's & trunk floor being patched appears some or all of the floors front & back been patched. The metal work far from the best I've seen. BUT, For people that like to make money off of fixing & then flipping these cars what do you expect, you couldn't restore a car right & make money off it unless you got some super rare 6 pak or Hemi car, Daytona or Superbird or Convertible. LEON.

[tan top]

what Leon Said , cars a perfumed pig , who knows whats hiding under the base & clear paint    lot of corners have been cut , more you look the more you see ,   first thing I noticed was  no sealer  for the roof water got in already maybe .....

[myk]

I see a car that people who dont have stupid-rich money like Jay Leno or Oprah can actually buy and enjoy.  Does it have flaws?  Sure does.  But I dont see this as the rolling scrap heap that everyone is making it out to be.  

If this charger is so bad, then I Guess I might as well drive mine to the local wrecking yard and let em crush it.  Furthermore I envy everyone here that has such a splendid car that doesn't have a list of faults on it.  Meanwhile I'll keep driving and enjoying
My lipsticked pig...

[ACUDANUT]

I see a car that people who dont have stupid-rich money like Jay Leno or Oprah can actually buy and enjoy.  Does it have flaws?  Sure does.  But I dont see this as the rolling scrap heap that everyone is making it out to be.  

If this charger is so bad, then I Guess I might as well drive mine to the local wrecking yard and let em crush it.  Furthermore I envy everyone here that has such a splendid car that doesn't have a list of faults on it.  Meanwhile I'll keep driving and enjoying
My lipsticked pig...

That is why I would never a car on this site. Everyone else cars are perfect. lol

[BDF]

My car is a 'pig' , it squeals a lot. I have to keep it moving so people don't get a close look at it. I was MORTIFIED when at a coffe and cars type thing another guy (with a very nice General Lee) wanted to see under the hood to look at how the factory wired something. I went ahead and let him look after making it clear it was ugly under there. Fortunately what he wanted to look at had not been molested in the past so my shame was helpful to another Charger guy at least.  I simply like to drive my car. It is no trailer queen, that's for sure! 

[hemi-hampton]

I see a car that people who dont have stupid-rich money like Jay Leno or Oprah can actually buy and enjoy.  Does it have flaws?  Sure does.  But I dont see this as the rolling scrap heap that everyone is making it out to be.  

If this charger is so bad, then I Guess I might as well drive mine to the local wrecking yard and let em crush it.  Furthermore I envy everyone here that has such a splendid car that doesn't have a list of faults on it.  Meanwhile I'll keep driving and enjoying
My lipsticked pig...

The cars not that bad, it's the Price that is bad. Joe Average can't afford to buy this for $44k in my opinion. Nothing wrong with selling perfume on a pig either, just sell it for perfume on a pig price, like $25k in my opinion.