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Started by ht4spd307, October 25, 2018, 04:59:25 AM

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ht4spd307

xp29m9b210635 as its coming up as a 440 3x 2 barrel special order

Mytur Binsdirti


ht4spd307

thats what my thought was when my mate sent the bad photo only thing thats threw me is its an original 4 speed sure grip rear would this be normal for a 383

bakerhillpins

Must be the M in the engine digit that has it coming up as a 6pk 440 car? Only 440 6pk that comes to mind is the A12 Coronet Super Bee which I believe has a M in the VIN.

The XP29 is for a Charger Premium 2 door sports hardtop (not RT), H is 383 4bbl HP, 9 is 69', B is Hamtramck

Quote from: ht4spd307 on October 25, 2018, 06:03:22 AM
thats what my thought was when my mate sent the bad photo only thing thats threw me is its an original 4 speed sure grip rear would this be normal for a 383

Yes, you could get a 69 383 car with a sure grip rear and a 4spd.  I don't believe the Axle packages were available in 383 cars though so it would be in an 8.75 rear end, not a Dana. I think you can find this stuff in the dealer periodicals that are online at https://www.hamtramck-historical.com/.
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ht4spd307

was a 69 charger available with tri carbs or not

Mytur Binsdirti


hemi-hampton

"Must be the M in the engine digit that has it coming up as a 6pk 440 car? Only 440 6pk that comes to mind is the A12 Coronet Super Bee which I believe has a M in the VIN."



Bakerhillpins, Don't forget 69 1/2 Roadrunner. The only other car to come with that 6 pak option in 69. No Charger came with that option in 69. With the very bad pic I'm guessing it's a H or a factory mistake if M.LEON.

440 Fanatic

Were any Chargers ever offered with a 3-2BBL option?   I might be wrong,  but I don't think they were.

Bronzedodge

No six packs in '69, but they made a bunch in 70.
Mopar forever!

Ghoste

And 71.  A couple snuck out in 72.  Also, there were two axle packages available for the 484 with a four speed.  A 3.55 one and a 3.91 version and each included Sure Grip pllus a few other features.  Codes were A36 and A31 respectively.

bakerhillpins

Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 25, 2018, 08:59:07 PM
Bakerhillpins, Don't forget 69 1/2 Roadrunner. The only other car to come with that 6 pak option in 69. No Charger came with that option in 69. With the very bad pic I'm guessing it's a H or a factory mistake if M.LEON.


:2thumbs:  I did forget that one.
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ht4spd307

i'll try and get a better picture tomorrow.so if it is an M its a typo

maxwellwedge

Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 25, 2018, 08:59:07 PM
"Must be the M in the engine digit that has it coming up as a 6pk 440 car? Only 440 6pk that comes to mind is the A12 Coronet Super Bee which I believe has a M in the VIN."



Bakerhillpins, Don't forget 69 1/2 Roadrunner. The only other car to come with that 6 pak option in 69. No Charger came with that option in 69. With the very bad pic I'm guessing it's a H or a factory mistake if M.LEON.


And the M Code Darts and Barracuda's. They were 440-4

maxwellwedge

Quote from: ht4spd307 on October 26, 2018, 06:41:55 AM
i'll try and get a better picture tomorrow.so if it is an M its a typo

Definitely an H

birdsandbees

I'm with maxwell, that is definitely a ma mopar H.
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1969 Dart Swinger LM23P9B190885
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ht4spd307


ht4spd307


Alaskan_TA

Quote from: 440 Fanatic on October 26, 2018, 01:01:14 AM
Were any Chargers ever offered with a 3-2BBL option?   I might be wrong,  but I don't think they were.

Yes.

Here is a link to the page that shows it for 1969 - http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1969/69_Charger0011.jpg

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BLK 68 R/T

Quote from: Alaskan_TA on October 29, 2018, 08:34:28 PM
Quote from: 440 Fanatic on October 26, 2018, 01:01:14 AM
Were any Chargers ever offered with a 3-2BBL option?   I might be wrong,  but I don't think they were.

Yes.

Here is a link to the page that shows it for 1969 - http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1969/69_Charger0011.jpg

Not on chargers though for 1969.

6bblgt

Quote from: Alaskan_TA on October 29, 2018, 08:34:28 PM
Quote from: 440 Fanatic on October 26, 2018, 01:01:14 AM
Were any Chargers ever offered with a 3-2BBL option?   I might be wrong,  but I don't think they were.

Yes.

Here is a link to the page that shows it for 1969 - http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1969/69_Charger0011.jpg

did you read the question correctly or what engine on that page has 3-2bbls?  :cheers:

ht4spd307

common combo 383 4 speed dana rear ?

Mytur Binsdirti

Quote from: ht4spd307 on October 30, 2018, 04:45:02 AM
common combo 383 4 speed dana rear ?

No such animal from the factory. What you simply have is a 383 4 barrel car that someone stuck a Dana in. That's it, case closed.

hemi68charger

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on October 30, 2018, 05:39:12 AM
Quote from: ht4spd307 on October 30, 2018, 04:45:02 AM
common combo 383 4 speed dana rear ?

No such animal from the factory. What you simply have is a 383 4 barrel car that someone stuck a Dana in. That's it, case closed.

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ht4spd307

the car is totally unmolested but totally rusted out every thing in the car looks original

ht4spd307

inside 4 speed air con car wrong seats

ht4spd307

this car was dragged out of the earth

ht4spd307


Mytur Binsdirti

Most likely, it was originally an automatic.

Judging by those pictures, I'd say the rear end is worth more than the rust it's attached to.

Alaskan_TA

I see a 4-speed hump, but yeah, parts car at best.

Start with the Dana & save any small parts that are good & then off to the crusher for the rest.

ht4spd307

original 4 speed car not convinced about the diff as the  dana looks to be same patina as the rear of the car

hemi-hampton

Quote from: ht4spd307 on October 30, 2018, 06:08:57 PM
original 4 speed car not convinced about the diff as the  dana looks to be same patina as the rear of the car


What does the Fender tag say,Let me guess, no fender tag, no broadcast sheet & no window Sticker. Does it have a Title or any other Paper work? :scratchchin: :shruggy: LEON.

hemi-hampton

Quote from: Alaskan_TA on October 30, 2018, 03:12:47 PM
I see a 4-speed hump, but yeah, parts car at best.

Start with the Dana & save any small parts that are good & then off to the crusher for the rest.

I agree 100%, except I've seen people in here try to Restore worse cars.  LEON.

hemigeno

Quote from: ht4spd307 on October 30, 2018, 06:08:57 PM
original 4 speed car not convinced about the diff as the  dana looks to be same patina as the rear of the car

Those rear springs are not from an R/T (795 / 965).  There also doesn't appear to be a vapor return line.

That axle might have been installed in this car for a long time, but that clock didn't start at Hamtramck.  Dana's were paired (by Chrysler, in passenger cars) only with a 440 or 426, never the 383.  Even if it WAS an R/T - which it is not - you could not get A/C and a Dana60 together (at least in '69).

:Twocents:


Alaskan_TA

Which brings up another question.

Do the body numbers match the VIN?

If the Dana is original to the car, the VIN is not original to the body, so which is it?

ht4spd307

Tags are on the car but option tag is rusty unreadable  its not an r/t as stated on the first post its a xp not xs car its an a/c 4 speed car originally .like i said the vin tag reads H not M as first thought .Just trying to clear this up for the uneducated potential buyer .As its the dana that was throwing me as it looked original to the car being 4 speed and originally thinking it was a M code on the dash tag made the car seem something special. This is why the questions were being asked not because i'm trying to make up something thats not! I'm not the owner nor the seller but thanks all for your input  i'll let the potential buyer know.

Alaskan_TA

The Dana should have a date code on the passenger side rear of the axle tube along with a BOM number (Bill of Materials) & they are application specific.

If you can find that set of stamped numbers & post a clear photo it would help us tell you what it may have originally came from.

Mytur Binsdirti

Quote from: ht4spd307 on October 30, 2018, 06:08:57 PM
original 4 speed car not convinced about the diff as the  dana looks to be same patina as the rear of the car

By your own admission, "the car was dragged out of the earth" which mean that it was put out to pasture years ago.  It's a 49 year old car with an equally as old rear end that someone swapped out at some time in it's life, so yeah, the "patina" would be the same.

bakerhillpins

Quote from: ht4spd307 on October 30, 2018, 08:46:11 PM
Tags are on the car but option tag is rusty unreadable 

In some situations you can remove the fender tag and make a rubbing from the underside and get readable (although a mirror image) copy of it. load the digital image onto a PC image program and mirror it back to normal.
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rarefish

Quote from: Alaskan_TA on October 29, 2018, 08:34:28 PM
Quote from: 440 Fanatic on October 26, 2018, 01:01:14 AM
Were any Chargers ever offered with a 3-2BBL option?   I might be wrong,  but I don't think they were.

Yes.

Here is a link to the page that shows it for 1969 - http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1969/69_Charger0011.jpg
Barry, I'm baffled by this. I don't see a 3-2BBL option on the 1969 Data Book page that you posted. Were you thinking a 383-2BBL ?

Alaskan_TA

I miss-read it sorry.

None of the 1969 data books have a 440-6 option listed since it came out after the data books were printed.

It was only available on the Road Runner & Super Bee when it came out though.