Sad. But our old cars are going to mean nothing.

[Ponch ®]

So, what do you do for a living??

I really don't see why that matters...

[alfaitalia]

What is the English car option Ponch?....just curious.

[moparstuart]

What is the English car option Ponch?....just curious.

im guessing   Jaguar (Tata, India) or Land Rover (Tata, India)

[Ponch ®]

What is the English car option Ponch?....just curious.

im guessing   Jaguar (Tata, India) or Land Rover (Tata, India)

Yep...was looking at F-type coupes. The base models are kinda "meh" and too common around here, the type R is a little out of my comfort zone budget-wise at this point, and the current design is already a few years old.

I decided to do other things w my money for now, so instead I just leased a Daytona Charger so I can keep my Mexican cousins and Canadian friends working for a couple more years.

I should be just about ready for a midlife crisis when the charger lease is up, so ill probably revisit the f type/its successor then. That or a 911...

[odcics2]

So, what do you do for a living??

I really don't see why that matters...

Well, maybe your customers will buy from someone else, hence you will be out of a job...
Maybe they will get a better quality product elsewhere, for the same price, and you will be out of a job.

  Who knows?   

[Ponch ®]

So, what do you do for a living??

I really don't see why that matters...

Well, maybe your customers will buy from someone else, hence you will be out of a job...
Maybe they will get a better quality product elsewhere, for the same price, and you will be out of a job.

 Who knows?  

Well yeah, thats how free markets and competition work, comrade. I wouldnt expect my clients to keep hiring me as a charity if I have nothing special to offer. In fact, it would be incredibly stupid if they did. Either I provide a superior service at a rate they think its worth it or they go elsewhere.

[odcics2]

Comrade!  Indeed!

That reminded me of a few comments I heard recently about how socialist the US is !!

Social security?   Socialism.
Giving farmers money not to grow stuff, or recently 12 Billion because they are losing $$ because of tariffs?  Socialism.
Driving on Interstates built by a Government jobs program?  Socialism.
Heck, when you call a bunch of guys over to put out a fire, AKA Firemen, that's socialism!

I see your point.

[Challenger340]

Some have suggested......
"We are really only FREE..... to be a good little Consumers"

[Ponch ®]

Comrade!  Indeed!

That reminded me of a few comments I heard recently about how socialist the US is !!

Social security?   Socialism.
Giving farmers money not to grow stuff, or recently 12 Billion because they are losing $$ because of tariffs?  Socialism.
Driving on Interstates built by a Government jobs program?  Socialism.
Heck, when you call a bunch of guys over to put out a fire, AKA Firemen, that's socialism!

I see your point.

Now you're getting it.

[Mike DC]

               
                         

       

[ACUDANUT]

Comrade!  Indeed!

That reminded me of a few comments I heard recently about how socialist the US is !!

Social security?   Socialism.
Giving farmers money not to grow stuff, or recently 12 Billion because they are losing $$ because of tariffs?  Socialism.
Driving on Interstates built by a Government jobs program?  Socialism.
Heck, when you call a bunch of guys over to put out a fire, AKA Firemen, that's socialism!

I see your point.

WE PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY OUR WHOLE LIVES. WE DRAW A SMALL PORTION AFTER 65 Y/O. HOW IS THAT SOCIALISM.  
GIVE ME ONE FARMER YOU KNOW OF WHO GOT PAID NOT TO FARM SINCE 2006 (12 Y/O).  I KNOW HUNDREDS..THAT IS ALL PURE BS.  

[Ponch ®]

WE PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY OUR WHOLE LIVES. WE DRAW A SMALL PORTION AFTER 65 Y/O. HOW IS THAT SOCIALISM.  

[alfaitalia]

What about all the other expenses you place on society before for you retire? Surely that comes out of those taxes too. The rest goes into paying women off so they don't tell the press about Trump's extramarital activities! Lol.

[Ponch ®]

What about all the other expenses you place on society before for you retire? Surely that comes out of those taxes too....

now youre gonna get us locked, man.

[Kern Dog]

What is a "Famer" ?

[Mike DC]

                

If we didn't have some amount of "govt socialism" then we wouldn't have the highway system.  We wouldn't get roads plowed.  We certainly wouldn't get steady cheap oil supplies.  (Not only the wars.  Also the agreements with swing producers, very cheap deals to pump oil from govt lands, shipping lanes being kept clear of pirates by the US military, etc).

Plenty of environmentalists feel infuriated that their tax dollars are spent on making the country more auto-oriented than they want it to be.  They have to subsidize our car-loving habits.  This pro-automobile viewpoint is not written in the Constitution.  (The auto industry actually lobbied against public transportation bus lines & subways in the early/mid 1900s.  Now, why would they do that?)    


People usually like "socialism" just fine when they agree with (benefit from) how the money is being spent.  They get pissed off when they see money going somewhere else.  

[odcics2]

               

If we didn't have some amount of "govt socialism" then we wouldn't have the highway system.  We wouldn't get roads plowed.  We certainly wouldn't get steady cheap oil supplies.  (Not only the wars.  Also the agreements with swing producers, very cheap deals to pump oil from govt lands, shipping lanes being kept clear of pirates by the US military, etc).

Plenty of environmentalists feel infuriated that their tax dollars are spent on making the country more auto-oriented than they want it to be.  They have to subsidize our car-loving habits.  This pro-automobile viewpoint is not written in the Constitution.  (The auto industry actually lobbied against public transportation bus lines & subways in the early/mid 1900s.  Now, why would they do that?)    


People usually like "socialism" just fine when they agree with (benefit from) how the money is being spent.  They get pissed off when they see money going somewhere else.  

[Kern Dog]

Socialism, REAL socialism goes much further. I'm talking government owning all the natural resources, controlling the media entirely, owning the businesses, etc.
Fuck that.

[Mike DC]

                  

I'm talking government owning all the natural resources, controlling the media entirely, owning the businesses, etc.
Fuck that.

Agreed.


Although at that point it's more like Communism than Socialism.  

20th-century Communist countries liked to call themselves 'Socialist' but official names don't really mean anything.  Kim Jong Un is the boss of 'The Democratic People's Republic of Korea'.

[alfaitalia]

Socialism, REAL socialism goes much further. I'm talking government owning all the natural resources, controlling the media entirely, owning the businesses, etc.
Fuck that.

Yeah...thats definitely Communism...not socialism.

[Ponch ®]

               

If we didn't have some amount of "govt socialism" then we wouldn't have the highway system.  We wouldn't get roads plowed.  We certainly wouldn't get steady cheap oil supplies.  (Not only the wars.  Also the agreements with swing producers, very cheap deals to pump oil from govt lands, shipping lanes being kept clear of pirates by the US military, etc).

Plenty of environmentalists feel infuriated that their tax dollars are spent on making the country more auto-oriented than they want it to be.  They have to subsidize our car-loving habits.  This pro-automobile viewpoint is not written in the Constitution.  (The auto industry actually lobbied against public transportation bus lines & subways in the early/mid 1900s.  Now, why would they do that?)    


People usually like "socialism" just fine when they agree with (benefit from) how the money is being spent.  They get pissed off when they see money going somewhere else.  

So why do flag waving, red hat wearing, murrica first folks who support government bailouts of banks, automakers, farmers, military contractors, and the like absolutely lose their sh*t at the mere mention of "universal healthcare" or "welfare benefits"? For the record, Im against all of those things.

There's a difference between government services and infrastructure for which there is little or no consumer choice (ie. highways/streets/emergency services) and commercial goods. Then again, if all of a sudden all road and highway funding was cut off, you bet the automakers, big oil, the tire industry, shipping companies, and so on would come up with some sort of plan to fix the roads with their own money just to keep people buying cars and keep those Walmart trucks moving. Hell even Domino's pizza is getting in on the fray. All ultimately driven by the profit motive.

But, when you do have consumer choice, and your choice is guided not by the principles of "best product at the cheapest cost" or subjective personal preferences but rather by ostensibly altruistic motives - ie. "keeping your neighbor working" (or worse, your choices are being compelled by government meddling through tariffs, taxes, etc), you're effectively engaging in the redistribution of wealth. Like I said, $15 an hour for burger flippers....

[odcics2]

Yeah, when anyone uses a Microsoft product, for example, did you know the ex CEO has a net worth of over 40 BILLION. 
So I guess we all subsidized him!   How much does one guy need?   

[Ponch ®]

Yeah, when anyone uses a Microsoft product, for example, did you know the ex CEO has a net worth of over 40 BILLION.  
So I guess we all subsidized him!   How much does one guy need?  

You bought his products because they were the best or the only ones that did what you needed them to do. He earned that money. NEED? How many cars do you have? Do you need them? Im sure there are plenty of people living in cardboard boxes who wonder "how many cars does one guy need?".

[Mike DC]

 

So why do flag waving, red hat wearing, murrica first folks who support government bailouts of banks, automakers, farmers, military contractors, and the like absolutely lose their sh*t at the mere mention of "universal healthcare" or "welfare benefits"? For the record, Im against all of those things.

There's a difference between government services and infrastructure for which there is little or no consumer choice (ie. highways/streets/emergency services) and commercial goods. Then again, if all of a sudden all road and highway funding was cut off, you bet the automakers, big oil, the tire industry, shipping companies, and so on would come up with some sort of plan to fix the roads with their own money just to keep people buying cars and keep those Walmart trucks moving. Hell even Domino's pizza is getting in on the fray. All ultimately driven by the profit motive.

But, when you do have consumer choice, and your choice is guided not by the principles of "best product at the cheapest cost" or subjective personal preferences but rather by ostensibly altruistic motives - ie. "keeping your neighbor working" (or worse, your choices are being compelled by government meddling through tariffs, taxes, etc), you're effectively engaging in the redistribution of wealth. Like I said, $15 an hour for burger flippers....

The US public is starting to discuss $15/hr burger flippers because we won't discuss why it costs $15/hr to live here in the first place.  Subsidies for more efficient living conditions work in lots of places all over the world.

We are like a drag racing team trying to figure out how to pay for even more horsepower and tires to remain competitive.  We won't discuss the fact that every other car in the class is 1000 lbs lighter weight and we already have more HP & tires than any of them.  

[Kern Dog]

Oh Christ.....Any idiot that thinks that a full time minimum wage job is for an adult needs a kick to the dick. Minimum wage jobs are for idiots, kids starting out or someone that needs a few extra bucks from a second job. If you are 23 years old (Or OLDER) and making minimum wage, you need to stop and look back at where you screwed up, then take steps to improve your condition.
The building trades pay well. Not everyone needs a college degree to make good money.