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Sad. But our old cars are going to mean nothing.

Started by ACUDANUT, September 06, 2018, 04:28:18 PM

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funknut

Screenshots from the latest Forza game (2018).  Kids know a kickass car when they see one.

There are lot more awesome performance cars to choose from in 2018 than there was in the 70s.  It makes perfect sense that 60s iron would be a smaller slice of the pie now compared to 30-40 years ago, but there is still a healthy car culture.

Ghoste

They weren't worth anything when I got into the hobby in the mid-70's so I'm not too worried about them being worth anything when I get out of it.  I figure I'll cash out of the old car hobby when I die so... ;)

Birdflu

Quote from: funknut on September 12, 2018, 07:05:21 PM
Screenshots from the latest Forza game (2018).  Kids know a kickass car when they see one.

There are lot more awesome performance cars to choose from in 2018 than there was in the 70s.  It makes perfect sense that 60s iron would be a smaller slice of the pie now compared to 30-40 years ago, but there is still a healthy car culture.

Just keeps fueling the 2nd Gen frenzy!  :2thumbs:

TiMopar

Quote from: Ghoste on September 13, 2018, 08:04:51 AM
They weren't worth anything when I got into the hobby in the mid-70's so I'm not too worried about them being worth anything when I get out of it.  I figure I'll cash out of the old car hobby when I die so... ;)

Likewise!

charger_fan_4ever

Quote from: Aero426 on September 12, 2018, 09:01:18 AM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 11, 2018, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: Troy on September 10, 2018, 12:10:19 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 10, 2018, 11:12:29 AM
on a localish Fb page someone posted a pic of a hemi daytona and a riced up supra. Question being which car would you choose. About 70/30 went for supra. Guys in late 30s 40's. I was surprised by the landside.

Not even smart enough to realise you could sell off that daytona and buy  30 supras.
:brickwall:
Have you priced a Supra recently?

Troy


I was thinking 30k
Actually less than i thought. This is in canuck pesos too.

Disclaimer i know jack about these things lol




But that white car is far from stock.   Just like a Charger,  stock and unmodified is where the money is going to be in the future.   

Ad said stock and im clueless about them lol.

charger_fan_4ever

Quote from: Troy on September 11, 2018, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 11, 2018, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: Troy on September 10, 2018, 12:10:19 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 10, 2018, 11:12:29 AM
on a localish Fb page someone posted a pic of a hemi daytona and a riced up supra. Question being which car would you choose. About 70/30 went for supra. Guys in late 30s 40's. I was surprised by the landside.

Not even smart enough to realise you could sell off that daytona and buy  30 supras.
:brickwall:
Have you priced a Supra recently?

Troy


I was thinking 30k
Actually less than i thought. This is in canuck pesos too.

Disclaimer i know jack about these things lol



You didn't try hard. ;) At least pick a comparable car (ie not the Mac Daddy vs a clapped out base model). Try this:
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/JT2DE82A6V0037268
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/JT2JA82JXS0025862
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/JT2JA82J2R0019239
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-Toyota-Supra-6-Speed-Turbo-Hard-Top-1351-HP-2JZ/223121463807?hash=item33f31359ff:g:NlAAAOSwGCNbhaiH&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Toyota-Supra/113220650489?hash=item1a5c7a05f9:g:nXAAAOSwofFbgf6j&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Toyota-Supra-Turbo/253851292042?hash=item3b1ab7518a:g:4CQAAOSwt5dbb2Cg&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Toyota-Supra-Twin-Turbo-Hatchback-2-Door/223136897065?hash=item33f3fed829:g:5N8AAOSwsl9blDIY&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Toyota-Supra-Turbo/132775146608?hash=item1eea03f470:g:GXQAAOSwMPxbi9Ds&vxp=mtr

Troy



I think i just puked in my mouth a little bit. Thanks Troy lol

Are those Japanese skylines worth even more than these supras ?

Troy

Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 14, 2018, 10:18:38 AM
Quote from: Troy on September 11, 2018, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 11, 2018, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: Troy on September 10, 2018, 12:10:19 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 10, 2018, 11:12:29 AM
on a localish Fb page someone posted a pic of a hemi daytona and a riced up supra. Question being which car would you choose. About 70/30 went for supra. Guys in late 30s 40's. I was surprised by the landside.

Not even smart enough to realise you could sell off that daytona and buy  30 supras.
:brickwall:
Have you priced a Supra recently?

Troy


I was thinking 30k
Actually less than i thought. This is in canuck pesos too.

Disclaimer i know jack about these things lol



You didn't try hard. ;) At least pick a comparable car (ie not the Mac Daddy vs a clapped out base model). Try this:
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/JT2DE82A6V0037268
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/JT2JA82JXS0025862
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/JT2JA82J2R0019239
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-Toyota-Supra-6-Speed-Turbo-Hard-Top-1351-HP-2JZ/223121463807?hash=item33f31359ff:g:NlAAAOSwGCNbhaiH&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Toyota-Supra/113220650489?hash=item1a5c7a05f9:g:nXAAAOSwofFbgf6j&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Toyota-Supra-Turbo/253851292042?hash=item3b1ab7518a:g:4CQAAOSwt5dbb2Cg&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Toyota-Supra-Twin-Turbo-Hatchback-2-Door/223136897065?hash=item33f3fed829:g:5N8AAOSwsl9blDIY&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Toyota-Supra-Turbo/132775146608?hash=item1eea03f470:g:GXQAAOSwMPxbi9Ds&vxp=mtr

Troy



I think i just puked in my mouth a little bit. Thanks Troy lol

Are those Japanese skylines worth even more than these supras ?
Maybe? I don't know. I like Supras - hate Skylines. Of course, I have a pile of Toyotas (trucks) so it's easier to keep up with them just from brand crossover talk.

Troy
Sarcasm detector, that's a real good invention.

charger_fan_4ever

Quote from: Troy on September 14, 2018, 10:34:48 AM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 14, 2018, 10:18:38 AM
Quote from: Troy on September 11, 2018, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 11, 2018, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: Troy on September 10, 2018, 12:10:19 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 10, 2018, 11:12:29 AM
on a localish Fb page someone posted a pic of a hemi daytona and a riced up supra. Question being which car would you choose. About 70/30 went for supra. Guys in late 30s 40's. I was surprised by the landside.

Not even smart enough to realise you could sell off that daytona and buy  30 supras.
:brickwall:
Have you priced a Supra recently?

Troy


I was thinking 30k
Actually less than i thought. This is in canuck pesos too.

Disclaimer i know jack about these things lol



You didn't try hard. ;) At least pick a comparable car (ie not the Mac Daddy vs a clapped out base model). Try this:
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/JT2DE82A6V0037268
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/JT2JA82JXS0025862
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/JT2JA82J2R0019239
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-Toyota-Supra-6-Speed-Turbo-Hard-Top-1351-HP-2JZ/223121463807?hash=item33f31359ff:g:NlAAAOSwGCNbhaiH&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Toyota-Supra/113220650489?hash=item1a5c7a05f9:g:nXAAAOSwofFbgf6j&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Toyota-Supra-Turbo/253851292042?hash=item3b1ab7518a:g:4CQAAOSwt5dbb2Cg&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Toyota-Supra-Twin-Turbo-Hatchback-2-Door/223136897065?hash=item33f3fed829:g:5N8AAOSwsl9blDIY&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Toyota-Supra-Turbo/132775146608?hash=item1eea03f470:g:GXQAAOSwMPxbi9Ds&vxp=mtr

Troy



I think i just puked in my mouth a little bit. Thanks Troy lol

Are those Japanese skylines worth even more than these supras ?
Maybe? I don't know. I like Supras - hate Skylines. Of course, I have a pile of Toyotas (trucks) so it's easier to keep up with them just from brand crossover talk.

Troy


Hava a rav 4 and a matrix in driveway i hear ya. They are tough and simple.

Ponch ®

Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 14, 2018, 10:18:38 AM


Are those Japanese skylines worth even more than these supras ?


They can be, especially since up until very recently they were next to impossible to legally import into the U.S. They have a near mythical following because of video games (gran turismo, etc).
"I spent most of my money on cars, birds, and booze. The rest I squandered." - George Best

Chrysler Performance West

Mike DC

     
          
Older guys grew up around cheap Chevy sedans.  They dreamed about the Corvettes of the era.

Younger guys grew up around cheap Toyota sedans.  They dreamed about the Supras of the era.
         

F8-4life

I will propose an alternative question to the original posters outlook..are older guys to used to muscle cars being universally respected?
I think it would be cooler if less people were interested in cars, prices on 68-70 chargers would drop, and it would be more of a cult following, rather then a money trip..
It would be similar scene, to the early hot rod era of the 1930's and 40's, when car guys were just punks that upset society.   

b5blue

  My 70 is like the family dog. Not for sale, it is what it is. (Repaired and patched up, not "Restored" so value is irrelevant.) Born in 1955 I watched, too young to own during the heyday. It was not fuel but insurance costs that killed muscle cars by the time I could buy in the 70's. When enough stupid drivers screw up the new era of muscle insurance will kill sales again. I see "Micro Cars" sell for 180,000.00? Old VW's bring 80,000.00? We had that stuff around in the 60's and 70's and it was and is crap to live with day in and day out. It's a different economy so different value for the younger. My kids waited till well into twenty's to get cars. Most can't find a way to own a home much less a old car.

TiMopar


I may be unique on here as I own both old Mopars and an R32 GTR. Being 59, I have never held a Playstation, let alone played one, so that often used 'Gran Turismo' comparison does not apply to me.

odcics2

Quote from: ACUDANUT on September 06, 2018, 04:28:18 PM
The current generation of (18-25) and earlier ages only see cars as a means of transportation.  Take a look of the vehicles on the road today. Toyotas are Kia's are killing us.  These kids could care a less about  old muscle cars and the old saying of "buy American, be American is gone)...Japan's motto is (Buy Japan "be Japanese")...Where has our world gone.  We have failed. PEROID.
JAPAN is killing us and no one seems to cares anymore. :brickwall:

I totally agree with you.   Never owned a Japanese vehicle, never will.  I find it unpatriotic.

Lot's of hypocrites out there, say they are PATRIOTS, chant MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, then drive Japanese cars.   


I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

60Buick


Quote

I totally agree with you.   Never owned a Japanese vehicle, never will.  I find it unpatriotic.

Lot's of hypocrites out there, say they are PATRIOTS, chant MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, then drive Japanese cars.   


I couldn't agree more.....
1968 Charger R/T 440 4 speed
1960 Plymouth Belvedere
1953 Dodge M43 Army Ambulance
1965 Dodge M43 Marine Corp Ambulance
1975 Plymouth Gran Fury Police car clone
1962 Plymouth Valiant Taxi cab
1974 AMC Gremlin XR-401 clone
1974 AMC Hurst Rescue Gremlin clone
1974 AMC Gremlin X
1975 AMC Pacer D/L

JB400

If a car manufactured in the US is sold by a Japanese company, is the car Japanese or American? :popcrn:

alfaitalia

We have a lot of Japanese cars built here....it gets around the import quotas. So they are Japanese cars built by Brits, paying Brits their wages and adding to our economy. Probably the same there....unpatriotic?....not so much as buying the imported ones I guess. We have Honda, Toyota and Nissan (probably others)...with multiple factories.
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you !!

Ponch ®

Quote from: odcics2 on September 17, 2018, 09:32:27 AM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on September 06, 2018, 04:28:18 PM
The current generation of (18-25) and earlier ages only see cars as a means of transportation.  Take a look of the vehicles on the road today. Toyotas are Kia's are killing us.  These kids could care a less about  old muscle cars and the old saying of "buy American, be American is gone)...Japan's motto is (Buy Japan "be Japanese")...Where has our world gone.  We have failed. PEROID.
JAPAN is killing us and no one seems to cares anymore. :brickwall:

I totally agree with you.   Never owned a Japanese vehicle, never will.  I find it unpatriotic.

Lot's of hypocrites out there, say they are PATRIOTS, chant MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, then drive Japanese cars.   




Or cars built in Canada. Stealing our jobs!
"I spent most of my money on cars, birds, and booze. The rest I squandered." - George Best

Chrysler Performance West

odcics2

Quote from: JB400 on September 17, 2018, 01:48:05 PM
If a car manufactured in the US is sold by a Japanese company, is the car Japanese or American? :popcrn:

JAPANESE, because the profits GO BACK TO JAPAN!

I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

odcics2

Quote from: alfaitalia on September 17, 2018, 01:52:14 PM
We have a lot of Japanese cars built here....it gets around the import quotas. So they are Japanese cars built by Brits, paying Brits their wages and adding to our economy. Probably the same there....unpatriotic?....not so much as buying the imported ones I guess. We have Honda, Toyota and Nissan (probably others)...with multiple factories.

Japanese factories displaced the home grown car companies over the decades...  In the UK and here.

Overall, a net loss of jobs.   
Before I get heat on this, do your research, then report back! 
I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

alfaitalia

It's different in the U.K. compared to the U.S.. When the Japanese started building cars in the US you still had (and still have compared to us) an American car industry for them to compete with...did it cost the US jobs overall?. No idea and Google does not help...just the ramblings of lots of obvious racists...lol.
By the time the Japanese started building cars here (in big numbers) the UK car industry had pretty much already imploded....mainly thanks to poor management, no investment and of course the unions. So over here Japanese car companies definitely created far more manufacturing jobs than they caused to be lost.

As for the profits going back to Japan.....well a percentage must....but they spend a lot here to. Research and development, wages, building new factories and of course this companies large corporation tax....all of which creates jobs, helps with our exports (many cars go to mainland Europe) and the tax helps our economy. Not many British will moan about the Japanese car companies over here....but then we didn't (and don't) have as much to lose as you guys.
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you !!

Ponch ®

Quote from: odcics2 on September 17, 2018, 04:30:37 PM

Japanese factories displaced the home grown car companies over the decades...  In the UK and here.

Overall, a net loss of jobs.  
Before I get heat on this, do your research, then report back!  

because they made cars that were cheaper and more reliable (if perhaps not as aesthetically pleasing) that people wanted to buy?

It's called capitalism. Tariffs, and other BS regulations to try and "protect" the domestic car makers, are nothing but government attempts to mess with free markets and manipulate trade. And that, since we are a capitalist country based on free trade ideals, is unpatriotic.
"I spent most of my money on cars, birds, and booze. The rest I squandered." - George Best

Chrysler Performance West

Mike DC

   
Good luck restoring an American muscle car without Asian repro parts . . . .

odcics2

Quote from: Ponch ® on September 17, 2018, 06:38:07 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on September 17, 2018, 04:30:37 PM

Japanese factories displaced the home grown car companies over the decades...  In the UK and here.

Overall, a net loss of jobs.  
Before I get heat on this, do your research, then report back!  

because they made cars that were cheaper and more reliable (if perhaps not as aesthetically pleasing) that people wanted to buy?

It's called capitalism. Tariffs, and other BS regulations to try and "protect" the domestic car makers, are nothing but government attempts to mess with free markets and manipulate trade. And that, since we are a capitalist country based on free trade ideals, is unpatriotic.

Prices and reliability are virtually the same now.  No excuse to not buy a car from Ford, GM and of course Chrysler   (under the FCA umbrella)

Patriotism is an individual choice.  What's in your driveway?   Only MoPars in mine.   You'll find no excuses here.

:coolgleamA:
I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

Mike DC

  
QuotePrices and reliability are virtually the same now.

Now there isn't much quality difference.  Before the 2000s there definitely was.  It takes a long time for these perceptions to change.  Detroit spent decades earning the public's mistrust on this matter.