Sad. But our old cars are going to mean nothing.

[70 sublime]

I thought the Ram trucks were built in Mexico ??

[Aero426]

 

Prices and reliability are virtually the same now.

Now there isn't much quality difference.  Before the 2000s there definitely was.  It takes a long time for these perceptions to change.  Detroit spent decades earning the public's mistrust on this matter.

The "domestic" manufacturers have certainly stepped up their game in reaction to Honda and Toyota.   Now those two brands are by no means perfect, but as mentioned, this was a long road to parity for the domestics.   Compare a 1989 Lexus LS400 to a 1990 Chrysler Imperial or Cadillac and it's not even close.    You don't have to go back far to see Pontiacs with all that horrible cladding on the bottom.   80's FWD domestics routinely got mechanically long in the tooth after 130k miles.     

[Challenger340]

IMO, no such thing as "Buy American" anymore when it comes to cars ?
and...
could someone please define the word "MADE" as it relates to Cars in the context of made in America ?
Because very simply here....
The Steel used, Engines, Transmissions, Wiring/Electronics, Rubber/Plastic Parts... you NAME IT, could be coming from just about anywhere Globally at anytime, U.S.A., Canada, Mexico, China and on and on.
Truth be known.... the entire Car manufacturing process is now so integrated ?
many of the products now crossing so many borders, and so many times back & forth in manufacturing before finally getting assembled onto an actual "Car" just about anywhere ? there is no real way to even determine accurately just what would constitute an "American" car anymore anyways ?

[odcics2]

I thought the Ram trucks were built in Mexico ??

Vast majority are built in Warren, MI
More to be built in Sterling heights, MI

Bottom line - Support US based manufacturers, regardless of what they build.  Keep your neighbor working. 

[Dino]

My neighbor works in Ohio, building Honda's.

[Challenger340]

IMO, and again here, just my opinion.... "Tariffs" and trade wars are a bad thing, very short sighted strategically, and all it does is make things waaay more expensive for the American purchaser = INFLATION as a way to make people even poorer than they are now.

U.S. to "Tariff" Canadian Aluminum & Steel.
Canada eventually gains the same PEA-BRAINED mentality and gets mad....
So eventually Canada puts an EXPORT Tariff on it's Bauxite, the Raw Material to make Aluminum, of which.... the U.S.A. can only mine/produce 1.3% of the Bauxite it needs to make it's 1.72 Metric Tons of Aluminum it produces annually.
End result....
U.S. still NEEDS the Bauxite to make Aluminum ?
So it either PAYS Canada ? or imports by ship half way around the world from Australia, or China, either way, Costs/ Prices go waaaay up on anything "Aluminum" made in the U.S. for Americans.  
How does THAT make any sense ?

It goes round and round, America Tartiffs Fruit/Veggies 6 months of the year, Canada builds greenhouses... cost/prices rise
Eventually California needs Canadian water to live, let be irrigation, Canada Tariffs.... Fruits/Veggies cost/prices rise

The stupidity continues until everybody figures out NOBODY WINS, and it was all just hot air dimwit comb-over "propaganda" that played well to short sighted retards.

The BIG worry, again IMO, if the Trade/Tariff war gets ugly globally and a "scorched earth" policy prevails ?
What happens when China figures they got nothing to lose ? and starts dumping their TRILLIONS in U.S. Treasuries ?

[Ponch ®]

Bottom line - Support US based manufacturers, regardless of what they build.  Keep your neighbor working.  

So like a form of welfare? Hell no. If I like a Jaguar or an Acura better than a Chevy, too bad for my neighbor. They should go to school, get a better job, and improve their lot in life through their own efforts  - the american way.

[ACUDANUT]

Were getting off topic, but you know what is crazy   We import 50 percent of Cattle/Beef from Australia. WTF

[John_Kunkel]

I thought the Ram trucks were built in Mexico ??

Vast majority are built in Warren, MI
More to be built in Sterling heights, MI

Not sure about actual numbers but many are still built in Saltillo, Mexico...depends on body and trim level.

[Ponch ®]

I thought the Ram trucks were built in Mexico ??

Vast majority are built in Warren, MI
More to be built in Sterling heights, MI

Not sure about actual numbers but many are still built in Saltillo, Mexico...depends on body and trim level.

Still AMERICAN. Because the profits GO BACK TO AMERICA.

[Bobs69]

The current generation of (18-25) and earlier ages only see cars as a means of transportation.  Take a look of the vehicles on the road today. Toyotas are Kia's are killing us.  These kids could care a less about  old muscle cars and the old saying of "buy American, be American is gone)...Japan's motto is (Buy Japan "be Japanese")...Where has our world gone.  We have failed. PEROID.
JAPAN is killing us and no one seems to cares anymore.

Sad, but pretty accurate.

[Bobs69]

Not so. They don't have 30 grand to start a project, give them time to make some coin. 

That's certainly possible...........

[odcics2]

My neighbor works in Ohio, building Honda's.

Except you...     

[odcics2]

Bottom line - Support US based manufacturers, regardless of what they build.  Keep your neighbor working.  

So like a form of welfare? Hell no. If I like a Jaguar or an Acura better than a Chevy, too bad for my neighbor. They should go to school, get a better job, and improve their lot in life through their own efforts  - the american way.

What do you do for a job??   Do you offer a product or service that another buys??

[odcics2]

I thought the Ram trucks were built in Mexico ??

Vast majority are built in Warren, MI
More to be built in Sterling heights, MI

Not sure about actual numbers but many are still built in Saltillo, Mexico...depends on body and trim level.

Still AMERICAN. Because the profits GO BACK TO AMERICA.

BINGO, we have a winner here folks! 

[Ponch ®]

Bottom line - Support US based manufacturers, regardless of what they build.  Keep your neighbor working.  

So like a form of welfare? Hell no. If I like a Jaguar or an Acura better than a Chevy, too bad for my neighbor. They should go to school, get a better job, and improve their lot in life through their own efforts  - the american way.

What do you do for a job??   Do you offer a product or service that another buys??

Yep, and I'm expensive too.

[Daytona R/T SE]

Bottom line - Support US based manufacturers, regardless of what they build.  Keep your neighbor working.  

So like a form of welfare? Hell no. If I like a Jaguar or an Acura better than a Chevy, too bad for my neighbor. They should go to school, get a better job, and improve their lot in life through their own efforts  - the american way.

What do you do for a job??   Do you offer a product or service that another buys??

Yep, and I'm expensive too.

Glad to hear the porn star gig is working out for you.

[Ponch ®]

Bottom line - Support US based manufacturers, regardless of what they build.  Keep your neighbor working.  

So like a form of welfare? Hell no. If I like a Jaguar or an Acura better than a Chevy, too bad for my neighbor. They should go to school, get a better job, and improve their lot in life through their own efforts  - the american way.

What do you do for a job??   Do you offer a product or service that another buys??

Yep, and I'm expensive too.

Glad to hear the porn star gig is working out for you.

It's hard work.

[Daytona R/T SE]

Bottom line - Support US based manufacturers, regardless of what they build.  Keep your neighbor working.  

So like a form of welfare? Hell no. If I like a Jaguar or an Acura better than a Chevy, too bad for my neighbor. They should go to school, get a better job, and improve their lot in life through their own efforts  - the american way.

What do you do for a job??   Do you offer a product or service that another buys??

Yep, and I'm expensive too.

Glad to hear the porn star gig is working out for you.

It's hard work.

Always be nice to your fluffer. 

[Bronzedodge]

Bottom line - Support US based manufacturers, regardless of what they build.  Keep your neighbor working. 

This.  Even though there are some foreign owned plants in the US, the profits go overseas.  Buy American.

[odcics2]

Bottom line - Support US based manufacturers, regardless of what they build.  Keep your neighbor working.  

So like a form of welfare? Hell no. If I like a Jaguar or an Acura better than a Chevy, too bad for my neighbor. They should go to school, get a better job, and improve their lot in life through their own efforts  - the american way.

What do you do for a job??   Do you offer a product or service that another buys??

Yep, and I'm expensive too.

And the answer to the first question is??

Buying American made products is not welfare! 

I also support the local mom and pop owned stores.
I buy whatever I can locally and use the 'net as a last resort, and even then
buy from the guy making a few bucks on the side, rather than large chains.

Also - to comment on a previous post, yes, it's harder to restore an old car without imported metal and parts, but it can be done.

In fact it IS being done.  The #88 Daytona has a mix of original metal, (like the entire front clip!) vintage 1969 metal, (like the roof and 1/4 panels) and NOS, (like the deck lid).   Even the fasteners and hose clamps are period correct.   

Yes, it's harder to do, but if it was easy, the car would have been slapped together years ago!

 

[Challenger340]

Bottom line - Support US based manufacturers, regardless of what they build.  Keep your neighbor working.  

This.  Even though there are some foreign owned plants in the US, the profits go overseas.  Buy American.

I guess the poor people really are DRINKING Mr. Comb-Overs propaganda Kool-aid ?

HONDA is mostly OWNED by VERY WEALTHY AMERICANS  !

Here are the top 5 OWNERSHIP Positions in HONDA MOTOR COMPANY, representing 40% of the outstanding shares.

1.) AMERICAN Century Companies, Kansas City, Missouri, USA 4,771,443 shares
2.) MACQUARIE GROUP LTD, Sydney Australia, 3,313,223 shares
3.) EQUITY INVESTMENT CORP, Atlanta Georgia, USA 30309  2,414,222 shares
4.) MONDRIAN INVESTMENT PARTNERS LTD, London UK, 1,961,059 shares
5.) BRANDES INVESTMENT PARTNERS, LP, San Diego, California 1,829,538 shares


TOYOTA is the one that sends money back to Japan, because it is primarily owned by Sumitomo Mitsui Trust Holdings(66.6%) and Resona Holdings (33%) a Publicly Traded entity on the Tokyo Stock Exchange.
And Sumitomo Mitsui Trust Holdings is so far upside down into the Japanese Gov't Bond fiasco, that indeed they are dead nuts BROKE on Gov't Debt the japanese have no hope of ever repaying !  They go down they are taking TOYOTA with them !

[DAY CLONA]

Truth be known.... the entire Car manufacturing process is now so integrated ?
many of the products now crossing so many borders, and so many times back & forth in manufacturing before finally getting assembled onto an actual "Car" just about anywhere ? there is no real way to even determine accurately just what would constitute an "American" car anymore anyways ?

My Employer makes automotive and electronic components for Industry, many times these components are shipped off in raw/unfinished form to Mexico, China, India, etc, etc and outsourced for some type of operation the end using vendor has decided that off shore partial work was more economical than performing in the USA, sad thing is later when the part(s) return to us for finish work, they are then sold/marked as proudly "Made in the USA" with the end consumer having no idea where/how the part(s)/component(s) were actually made...

[Ponch ®]

 

Buying American made products is not welfare!  

 

 

It is if there is a "foreign" product that is just as good or better and is cheaper but the only reason you pick the "American" product is to "keep your neighbor employed".  Why are you responsible for your neighbor, and why should you make decisions about how you spend your money for their welfare? Holistically speaking, youre not any different than those who say "tax the rich" or that burger flippers should get paid $15 an hour because "they deserve a living wage."

I have '17 RAM and a '19 Charger in my driveway. Did I buy them because they're "american"? No. I simply liked the cars on their own merits. My next car is either going to be German or English (owned by India), I'm just not there financially at this moment.

[odcics2]

So, what do you do for a living??