Superbird RM23U0A175587 now has a fake fender tag?

[Alaskan_TA]

The other fender tag I saw for this car showed white body paint & D32 for an automatic.

Now it shows FJ5 paint & D21 for a four speed;

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Plymouth-Road-Runner-SUPERBIRD/352429985694?hash=item520e76cf9e:g:9UEAAOSw0LBbcJI-&vxp=mtr

[62 Max]

All that matters is the vin tag.

[Alaskan_TA]

All that matters is the vin tag.

That is actually funny.

If that were the case, the VIN tag by itself would be offered at the same price, no car included.

Heck, you could collect them & trade them like baseball cards. 

[Wingnut426]

Superbirds NEVER came with 4:10 Danas!    WINGNUT

[Aero426]

Interesting that the seller covers himself by making no representation as to the how the car was originally equipped, other than the engine.   

[Alaskan_TA]

Interesting that the seller covers himself by making no representation as to the how the car was originally equipped, other than the engine.   

With the fake tag, he offers fake representation by alleging it 'came this way'.

Whoever had the tag made caused this car to take a severe hit in value.

No one wants to buy a fake & now the car itself with have a scar on its history.

[Birdflu]

Sad the hobby has transformed into 'building' original cars instead of restoring them the way they were built. As far as I'm concerned, if an owner takes a known Superbird and transforms it into whatever engine, trans, color combo he/she wants, that's their prerogative. I don't agree with re-popping fender tags to try and suggest that's the way the car was originally equipped. Only ONE reason to do that...$$$$$!  

[Aero426]

Interesting that the seller covers himself by making no representation as to the how the car was originally equipped, other than the engine.   

With the fake tag, he offers fake representation by alleging it 'came this way'.

Whoever had the tag made caused this car to take a severe hit in value.

No one wants to buy a fake & now the car itself with have a scar on its history.

Registry entry #1

[Aero426]

As a point of interest, here is the car in 1977 when it was in Wisconsin. 

[DAY CLONA]

Sad the hobby has transformed into 'building' original cars instead of restoring them the way they were built. As far as I'm concerned, if an owner takes a known Superbird and transforms it into whatever engine, trans, color combo he/she wants, that's their prerogative. I don't agree with re-popping fender tags to try and suggest that's the way the car was originally equipped. Only ONE reason to do that...$$$$$!  

There's some that do it for the $$$$$, and you'll meet some that do it to reflect the changes they made in the vehicle because they feel it "completes" the vehicle, kinda like creating a HEMI car, but leaving the 383 emblems on... defeats the purpose


The color change on this bird, that's an individuals choice, White on a bird is nice, but the automatic, esp if it was a column needed to be tossed in favor of a 4spd no question about that, I think in this case the tag swap might have been a case of wanting all the "i's" dotted and "t's" crossed by the past/current owner to reflect the changes made, a Superbird is not a vehicle were a particular color is going to generate a phenomenal increase in coin at resale, a 4spd will offer a slight margin, but not much, wingcars are what they are... I don't think a color change/4spd swap and an adjusted fender tag are going to impact the sale of this car

[Aero426]

Registry entry #2.     Same state, but over 20 years later.    Car has a few hundred more miles.     Clearly called out as EW1 with D32.   

[Aero426]

Clearly a reproduction tag from the current auction listing.

[Birdflu]

Interesting stuff! Do you think the current owner or even one of the past owners still has the original fender tag? If so, would they disclose that to a potential buyer? Just curious...

[hemi-hampton]

Why didn't he just fake it into a Hemi car why he was at it. FM3 Panther pink to. LEON.

[Stevetona]

It's a chameleon. Went white-blue-white-green. 

[Alaskan_TA]

Clearly a reproduction tag from the current auction listing.

Well, a reproduction tag would be an exact copy of the original.

This one contains lies stamped in metal, so it is a fake.

[70 sublime]

Clearly a reproduction tag from the current auction listing.

Well, a reproduction tag would be an exact copy of the original.

This one contains lies stamped in metal, so it is a fake.

And how many new owners later will it take to be sworn as the real deal ??

[moparstuart]

Clearly a reproduction tag from the current auction listing.

well at least they faked it to the Best color   

[alfaitalia]

Over here (UK)....selling that without making it perfectly clear that the detail on the tag do NOT apply to that car from new would be a criminal and imprisonable offence....fraud. But up until you sell it you can do as you will!! Its like winding the speedo odometer back to show less miles....it only becomes an offence when you try to sell it without disclosing that fact.

[Derwud]

Over here (UK)....selling that without making it perfectly clear that the detail on the tag do NOT apply to that car from new would be a criminal and imprisonable offence....fraud. But up until you sell it you can do as you will!! Its like winding the speedo odometer back to show less miles....it only becomes an offence when you try to sell it without disclosing that fact.

We don't like to use the F word here in America..

[Alaskan_TA]

Fakers & Frauds do exist, that is a Fact.

[Birdflu]

It's a sad reality that has surrounded all of these cars as their values have increased...

[Alaskan_TA]

It is sad.

Faking fender tags & any other documentation lowers the monetary value of any car.

One fake item can bring the rest of the numbers into question - If one item was faked, was anything else faked?

It is a great way to make potential buyers run away, wallet intact.

[tan top]

 

looks like the resto work has been done well from the pictures 

[tan top]