1968 Charger in storage being held hostage!

[OriginalOwner]

New user, sounds funny as I have been in this car my entire life.

Regardless, my 68' Charger although battle wounded on the exterior (And hence put into storage for a major hit to the driver's rear while parked, different story) is, for the most part, all original (And owner) and the interior is practically mint besides carpet and driver's seat.

The car is in storage, my father made the arrangements with what seemed a mutual friend, who never had a contract (besides verbal), or sent him a bill. The agreed upon amount for storage was to be $25 a month. It took some detective work to track him down and a new phone number later, as well as a trip to a rental prop, I got him on the phone only to say it was $75 a month. After eight to ten years that adds up to approximately $8,000 as opposed to maybe $3,000.. That is a lot of money to buy my own car back..!

My question is, does anyone have any ideas, attorneys or want to steal it back for me (Hah)? I actually thought of going up occasionally to get it drivable again, then take it for a test drive and gas and basically, drive it home.
Does he have any rights as far as current ownership of the car, being that he "has" it in storage, but we have the car in our name (I thought I would put myself as secondary owner, as my father is 85).

Please, and I can't stress this enough, PLEASE, I absolutely LOVE this car, and always dreamed of the day i had enough money to make it brand new again.

if anyone can help, or offer any suggestions, this was my daily driver for a LONG time, I replaced the entire cooling system, trans, rims, tires, exhaust, wiring harnesses, electrical, brakes (Disc even)  and can't imagine life without this car back in my possession or family. It may help to know he also has a 79' Mercedes in his warehouse that he was either selling or parting out for us and was supposed to be dividing the profits from that as well.

Thank you..

Ryan

[JB400]

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I would suggest you make friends with a lawyer.  Did you make any payments on storage at any point of time?  Proof of any payments?  I  could also suggest you split the difference with the guy, and pay $50 a month, and get your car out. 

First, and foremost, I'd make sure he still has your car and it's in the same condition you left it in.  Make sure he didn't part it, or already sell it.  It is possible to claim it as an abandoned vehicle, depending on state laws.

[OriginalOwner]

Haha, That is kind of what I thought in the long run was talking to an attorney.

We hadn't made any payments, never received a bill..

That was basically the first thing I thought was to go up and see the car, make sure it's still there and in the same condition, and pull out the old gas, add a battery etc.
It is in a warehouse so I doubt you could claim it as an abandoned vehicle though, especially with two people's testimony to the story against just his.
But I basically could have paid $50 a month in my same condo complex and been able to see the car every day as well..

I thought he could take the Mercedes and sell it for the difference (Worth $11K - $25K)..

But thanks!

[Mytur Binsdirti]

You love this (damaged) car, but you left it in storage for 8-10 years without paying a dime in storage fees on it? Something doesn't add up.

I may be wrong, but the cynic in me thinks that you abandoned it and now see that even wrecks are worth a lot of money & now you're trying to get it back so you can cash in on it.

[Mike DC]

            


Ask to see the car in person again before you give the guy another dime.  Do it nicely and be willing to give him a week or so to find a convenient time if the car is not at his home.  If he gives you any resistance about seeing it, prepare yourself for the possibility that he sold/parted it and start looking for a lawyer. 

[68 RT]

You love this (damaged) car, but you left it in storage for 8-10 years without paying a dime in storage fees on it? Something doesn't add up.

I may be wrong, but the cynic in me thinks that you abandoned it and now see that even wrecks are worth a lot of money & now you're trying to get it back so you can cash in on it.

Exactly, something does not add up?

[Charger-Bodie]

Why not just cal the police?

[OriginalOwner]

Mytur -

That is literally the single stupidest answer anyone could have come up with.

The car is not in my name, I had no idea that my father had not received a bill, nor paid anything to the storage owner. As well I figured I would spend a few hundred grand restoring it to its former glory, and as you know money definitely grows on trees..

Cash in on it, moronic.. I will never sell this car, please read a post thoroughly before responding.

Yeah, so absolutely right, I see the value in selling an old pile of metal, but insistently am not ever going to sell the car, good luck with that retort.

Anyway, thanks for nothing, people, I am only asking for help in retrieving a vehicle, not moronic responses to an obvious plight.
If we could leave the responses to anyone with help that would be greatly appreciated.

Mytur - Hah.

Mike DC - That is almost exactly what I kind of planned to do. Thanks.

Charger-Bodie - Thought of that too, what would transpire then though?

[Charger-Bodie]

I would tell the police your side now, so they are aware if things are sideways with the guy

[RECHRGD]

Hmmmm, I just finished a reply to this and it vaporized.  Anyway, my main point is that with little or no communication with this guy for years, it is easily argued that the car was abandoned.  That may have been on his mind from the start.  A messy situation.  Good luck......

[OriginalOwner]

Rechrgd - I had actually called him quite a few times to get some articles out of the trunk at some point, so there wasn't a complete lack of communication, and kept planning to go up there (As I had no idea where there was/is) but see your point, Thanks.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Mytur -

That is literally the single stupidest answer anyone could have come up with.

The car is not in my name, I had no idea that my father had not received a bill, nor paid anything to the storage owner. As well I figured I would spend a few hundred grand restoring it to its former glory, and as you know money definitely grows on trees..

Cash in on it, moronic.. I will never sell this car, please read a post thoroughly before responding.

Yeah, so absolutely right, I see the value in selling an old pile of metal, but insistently am not ever going to sell the car, good luck with that retort.

Anyway, thanks for nothing, people, I am only asking for help in retrieving a vehicle, not moronic responses to an obvious plight.
If we could leave the responses to anyone with help that would be greatly appreciated.

Mytur - Hah.

Mike DC - That is almost exactly what I kind of planned to do. Thanks.

Charger-Bodie - Thought of that too, what would transpire then though?

Well then, it sounds like you have all the answers before you posted.    



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zANvYB93u2g

[OriginalOwner]

Mytur,

Better than your useless retort..

[Lennard]

Mytur,

Better than your useless retort..

@ OriginalOwner: Ignore the trolls.

[Baldwinvette77]

im not sure how it works over there but over here if theres no signed paper work or receipts then all you would need is a sheriff or a bailiff to get your car back, which costs around $800 or so

[John_Kunkel]

Why is your father not involved in this? Is he still on speaking terms with storage owner?

Without a written contract I'd say you're in the same situation as Hogan's goat....i.e. screwed.

[OriginalOwner]

Lennard - Haha.. 

Baldwinvette77 - Where is here?

John_Kunkel - He is 85 years old.. He's working on staying alive, not fixing my problems. Semi, working on it.

[Old Moparz]

Not exactly the same scenario, but I had a car in a shop many years ago for body work. The shop worked on the car, screwed it up, then did not touch it for 3 months after having discussed some of the shoddy work that needed to be redone on it. I spoke to a lawyer I knew & he said the first thing I needed to do was get the car out of the shop ASAP. I went to the shop the next day, got the car out of the building & two weeks later the Fire Marshall shut the place down for several code violations. He never reopened after that & all the cars that were in there, about 20 or so, went into the fenced in yard of another shop behind this one. I heard later that people who had cars there had to pay extremely high storage fees to get their cars back.  

While this is not quite the exact same scenario as yours, the thing that is the same is that you may not have a choice with paying the storage fees if you want to retrieve the car. More than likely you will have to pay them & argue later about the difference. If you wait, the fees will multiply & may even increase from $75. You're also giving the guy time to talk to his own lawyer to figure out how to tack on additional fees besides storage.

Whatever you say to the guy or do, try to be as civil as possible. He has the upper hand so pissing him off is a bad idea.  

[RECHRGD]

If there was an agreed to amount per month for the storage, why did your Dad not pay?  Why didn't the storage owner demand payment when none was forthcoming?  Something is screwy here.  Maybe your Dad took the lack of payment requests as a unspoken agreement of free storage.  I doubt the storage guy, even ten years ago, was unaware that these cars were increasing in value.  In his mind the nonpayment for storage could be considered a forfeiture of the property.  The car may be long gone by now or titled in his name via some legal loophole in your State.  You need to go and see the car with your own two eyes and proceed as the circumstances dictate......

[Old Moparz]

If there was an agreed to amount per month for the storage, why did your Dad not pay?  Why didn't the storage owner demand payment when none was forthcoming?  Something is screwy here.  Maybe your Dad took the lack of payment requests as a unspoken agreement of free storage.  I doubt the storage guy, even ten years ago, was unaware that these cars were increasing in value.  In his mind the nonpayment for storage could be considered a forfeiture of the property.  The car may be long gone by now or titled in his name via some legal loophole in your State.  You need to go and see the car with your own two eyes and proceed as the circumstances dictate......

I agree but there are rare exceptions. I actually stored 2 of my cars in a place for several years before I had my garage that didn't require payment until you picked it up. While I was building my garage I didn't have to pay & they sat longer.  

The guy was very nice, only took people's cars or boats through word of mouth by others who rented there. It was mostly used for seasonal storage, October to March, but the timing for me had my cars there for almost 2 full years. The price was good, $35 per month per car but the drawback was that I had to hand over a large sum all at once. Surprisingly he discounted my fee by about $500 which helped. No written contract, just a verbal agreement, but I paid by check with car storage fee written on it for my records.

[odcics2]

You love this (damaged) car, but you left it in storage for 8-10 years without paying a dime in storage fees on it? Something doesn't add up.

I may be wrong, but the cynic in me thinks that you abandoned it and now see that even wrecks are worth a lot of money & now you're trying to get it back so you can cash in on it.

Visit the guy in person.  Bring some $$.  Bring a trailer.  Bring a few buddies.
You should be able to come to an understanding.

[Edelbroke]

I'm assuming you have a clear title for the car. If he wont release it after you come to an agreement on storage fees or cant come to an agreement, report the car stolen. Should be able to retrieve it with a police officer. He would then have to release the car or start the process for a storage lien (which he may already have done).  I think without him having a storage lien already on it you should be able to take the car and settle the storage fees in court if he pushes it that far. I wouldn't try taking the car out of his building, that might be breaking and entering.

[Dano 1]

I agree with those who have suggested getting the authorities involved as early as possible and making sure they hear YOUR story FIRST.

Without having a contract neither of you can prove that any agreement was in place or broken. As long as you have the title of the car free and clear, even if it's in your father's name you can prove your relationship and he can sign the title over to your or a document to authorize you to act on his behalf due to medical issues.  it shouldn't matter where the car is located IMO, I'm not sure what the laws of abandonment are but again it seems that law enforcement personnel would be your best route here...

[CDN72SE]

You just need to tread lightly, as suggested you need to go and see the car and take money with you. Unfortunately you cannot go back and fix the improper way this has been handled over all these years but you still should have a chance to get your car back. Keep us posted as to how you are doing.

[krops cars]

Why don't you just go there see if the guy is there. You may have to go a few times. Talk to him ask to see it. Like every one said be calm. Just tell him you want to see what you need to get it out of there. Tires, battery and what ever. After you see your car then talk about the price and the other car he was getting rid of. It may not be as bad as it seems until you meet him face to face. Do not do it over the phone or texting. That usually does not go very well.

[69wannabe]

A bad situation no doubt, not sure what you can legally do but if you do have a good title for the car you do have a chance to get the car if it is still there. Had a guy drop a motor home off here a few years back wanting me to see if I would get it running for him. He was being thrown out of where he lived and needed the motor home running if possible and I felt sorry for him and told him I couldn't fix it for free but i'd see what I could do to help him out.

Long story short I got it running and driving, he came by here 3 months later and gave me 100 bucks on a $500 bill and said he would be back to pay the rest and I never saw him again. 18 months later and several phone calls just telling him to come get it off my property and the last time I talked to him he told me it was in a good place, I told him he had 2 weeks and I was going to have it hauled off and he didn't believe me.

2 weeks later it was gone and I had already talked to the county police dept and a judge in my county and he said it had been abandoned and if I wanted it gone off my property to have it hauled off so thats what I did but I did give him the chance to come and get it even with no money exchanging hands.

I never agreed to store the motor home here but I did get it up and running like I said I would do but the only reason it was here was for a parking place I found out later when he took me to court. He made an ass out of himself and lost the case but I did call and make several attempts to let him get his motor home but he told the judge he didn't have anywhere to park it.

This is a different situation and I hope you can get your car back but the guy storing it may know what they are worth now and that's why he is stalling on you thinking you have no chance on getting it back or it may already be gone sad to say.....

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

im not sure how it works over there but over here if theres no signed paper work or receipts then all you would need is a sheriff or a bailiff to get your car back, which costs around $800 or so

Or less.    But yeah, get the police involved. ASAP.  :Two cents:


No contract, no money.

[stripedelete]

I bet a storage unit that would accomidate a charger would have cost more than $75/month.
Pay the man and take your car home.

[J.Bond]

Well...


Notice that original owner, came here to ask advise. On how to retrieve his fathers car...... Cranium hit it first..., This guy did not, just go and pay his bill.... no he came here to see if he could get away with not PAYING his bill.

The story is not, I paid him the agreed amount, and he wont release it till, he gets more.

In fact, this type of behavior happens all the time.

The shipper has not been paid in years, or  at all, yet he maintained the mortgage, the taxes, the insurance and any other overhead.

Yet  after all these years, this guy,wants a break. Grow up Kid..

Where do I get this attitude, from three friends,and three cars that have sat here on my land for twenty years... The cars are worth nothing, these people(Friends) avoid me like the plauge, always have a story, and always cry, you have so much space and land, what's your problem!!!!
Go pay your bill, and after paying the man, hand him another 100.00 as a thank you.

[69 500]

 J bond is correct . grow up , according to what you wrote you went to his storage facility , that in its self tells you that his profession is to charge for services , which in this case is storing your vehicle in a secure environment. according to you or to your knowledge  no one has paid any storage at all. you took it to a place that rents storage space by the month. you have no receipts , no contract , and no witnesses to an oral contract. If you really want the car PAY the man you are on the losing end of this argument both morally and legally. if you pursue this coarse you will not only piss this guy off but may lose your car in the process. a layer will take your money and at best negotiate maybe a lower price at best you have no proof of oral contract , which actually reinforces his possible claim to abandonment. my guess is he would rather have the money than the car. you  if you want it talk to the guy like I said my guess is he would rather have the money.   

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Well...


Notice that original owner, came here to ask advise. On how to retrieve his fathers car...... Cranium hit it first..., This guy did not, just go and pay his bill.... no he came here to see if he could get away with not PAYING his bill.

The story is not, I paid him the agreed amount, and he wont release it till, he gets more.

In fact, this type of behavior happens all the time.

The shipper has not been paid in years, or  at all, yet he maintained the mortgage, the taxes, the insurance and any other overhead.

Yet  after all these years, this guy,wants a break. Grow up Kid..

Where do I get this attitude, from three friends,and three cars that have sat here on my land for twenty years... The cars are worth nothing, these people(Friends) avoid me like the plauge, always have a story, and always cry, you have so much space and land, what's your problem!!!!
Go pay your bill, and after paying the man, hand him another 100.00 as a thank you.

J bond is correct . grow up , according to what you wrote you went to his storage facility , that in its self tells you that his profession is to charge for services , which in this case is storing your vehicle in a secure environment. according to you or to your knowledge  no one has paid any storage at all. you took it to a place that rents storage space by the month. you have no receipts , no contract , and no witnesses to an oral contract. If you really want the car PAY the man you are on the losing end of this argument both morally and legally. if you pursue this coarse you will not only piss this guy off but may lose your car in the process. a layer will take your money and at best negotiate maybe a lower price at best you have no proof of oral contract , which actually reinforces his possible claim to abandonment. my guess is he would rather have the money than the car. you  if you want it talk to the guy like I said my guess is he would rather have the money.  

Expect for replies from the OP to disagree and yell at you both. Now, if Lennard is consistent, he'll be chiming with his two cents to chastise your thoughts on the subject.  

[Lennard]

I had typed a longer reply but decided to just ignore the trolls.

[OriginalOwner]

Trollin', trollin', trolli', keep those moronic comments rollin'...

J. bond  - "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Apparently I wasn't clear on asking for advice not literal moronic commentary..

J. Bond takes it for lamest, dumbest comment on a thread ever, as if he didn't even read the thread, grow up, laughable, you can't even read.

69 500 - Just have nothing better to do with your life, thank you for absolutely wasting everyone's time. READ the thread, $25 a month agreed upon amount is payable, NOT a now inflated price of $75 a month.. That is a difference of $2200 to $8200, or is math not available where you are as well..?

And Lennard, Hahhaha so right..

READ kids, R...E...A...D...

[timmycharger]

Apparently I can't read either but in this 8-10 years the car was in storage,  nothing was paid? $25 a month was agreed upon, I got that, but did any money change hands?

Edit: I see now that nothing was paid (told you I can't read)


I didn't think 69 500's response was that unreasonable to be honest, he didn't waste my time so no need to thank him on my behalf.

Where were you 7, 6, 5, etc years ago? If this was as special as you describe it, then why let it sit? Before going in with lawyers and police, I would do a check on that VIN number to make sure you sorry, your father is still the owner of the car  


I can take it, go ahead with the insults, bad 1990's movie quotes or whatever you got..  

[b5blue]

Trollin', trollin', trolli', keep those moronic comments rollin'...

J. bond  - "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Apparently I wasn't clear on asking for advice not literal moronic commentary..

J. Bond takes it for lamest, dumbest comment on a thread ever, as if he didn't even read the thread, grow up, laughable, you can't even read.

69 500 - Just have nothing better to do with your life, thank you for absolutely wasting everyone's time. READ the thread, $25 a month agreed upon amount is payable, NOT a now inflated price of $75 a month.. That is a difference of $2200 to $8200, or is math not available where you are as well..?

And Lennard, Hahhaha so right..

READ kids, R...E...A...D...

  Why snotty reply to honest opinions? You and your dad were kinda dumb to just leave a car sitting for 10 years. I don't like you taking potshots at those who question your stance now. Please defend the point of neglecting the car and rent for ten years? (You had NO contact at all?) 

[Mytur Binsdirti]

What'd I tell you!  




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c54SvkgQ04A

[DAY CLONA]

New user, sounds funny as I have been in this car my entire life.

Regardless, my 68' Charger although battle wounded on the exterior (And hence put into storage for a major hit to the driver's rear while parked, different story) is, for the most part, all original (And owner) and the interior is practically mint besides carpet and driver's seat.

The car is in storage, my father made the arrangements with what seemed a mutual friend, who never had a contract (besides verbal), or sent him a bill. The agreed upon amount for storage was to be $25 a month. It took some detective work to track him down and a new phone number later, as well as a trip to a rental prop, I got him on the phone only to say it was $75 a month. After eight to ten years that adds up to approximately $8,000 as opposed to maybe $3,000.. That is a lot of money to buy my own car back..!

My question is, does anyone have any ideas, attorneys or want to steal it back for me (Hah)? I actually thought of going up occasionally to get it drivable again, then take it for a test drive and gas and basically, drive it home.
Does he have any rights as far as current ownership of the car, being that he "has" it in storage, but we have the car in our name (I thought I would put myself as secondary owner, as my father is 85).

Please, and I can't stress this enough, PLEASE, I absolutely LOVE this car, and always dreamed of the day i had enough money to make it brand new again.

if anyone can help, or offer any suggestions, this was my daily driver for a LONG time, I replaced the entire cooling system, trans, rims, tires, exhaust, wiring harnesses, electrical, brakes (Disc even)  and can't imagine life without this car back in my possession or family. It may help to know he also has a 79' Mercedes in his warehouse that he was either selling or parting out for us and was supposed to be dividing the profits from that as well.

Thank you..

Ryan

I'll cut through the candy coating and crap, I've had many a vehicle and parts stored for individuals/associates/friends over the decades, and it always gets ugly, because most want a free ride....

8/10 years is a long time, as I understand it no monies were payed? no contact with/from either party until recently? no contract dosen't mean anything, you/father had an agreement, verbal or otherwise, lawfully the vehicle can/would be deemed abandoned if the storage owner notifies LEO and has it removed, at that point you would have to contest it with a Judge/Magistrate/attorney Generals office, at which point if your asking for your property back you will be required to either pay "reasonable" storage fees based on the time accrued, or post a bond in the amount determined by a court, depends on your State laws, there's also the possibility the storage owner has a lien/in process, and/or can/has applied to lawfully take ownership of said abandoned property either thru forfeiture on your behalf, or State laws regarding abandoned property...

Your best bet is not to escalate the situation, you are clearly at default in this situation, you need to come to terms that are amicable for both parties to receive what they feel is just for those involved...   

[A383Wing]

And his first post as a new member here asking us if there is anyone who would help him steal it back.....

This soap opera just gets better every day

[Daytona R/T SE]

Universal storage rule number one:

Pay your rent,

Or...

Lose your shit.

[RECHRGD]

Earlier in this thread I asked "why did your Dad not pay".  I have yet to hear an answer.  If he was just being a deadbeat, then you don't have any case. 

[OriginalOwner]

Got to love these responses,  and I am sure mine are even more in anticipation as we seem to have strayed off the subject to attacking my situation which is futile, childish and a complete waste of time.



Timmy Charger -  Oh please do chime in.. I'm sure you can "Take it"..

b5blue - Defend? Why in the world do I need to defend any point or situation? Because I asked? Simply stated, and yes, this was written in the initial post, I was unaware my father had not paid for the car storage, until LAST WEEK. It is hysterically comical how no one was able to read that.. regardless I am sure every internet troll with a Charger is grinding his teeth for my latest response to this ludicrous soap opera.

Mytur - Please get a life..

I do apologize for my lack of repeating myself only several times, "Never received a bill.." Of which I would have gladly paid..


A383Wing - Right? I know, it's like being a virgin all over again, awesome retort.. Did I ask you..?

Anyone else want to "Help"?

Haha


Personally, I am kind of over all of this. But has been a fun exercise in futility for the past few days..

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Anyone else want to "Help"?

Help is definitely needed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjqCONfp5LM

[Kern Dog]

Trollin', trollin', trolli', keep those moronic comments rollin'...

J. bond  - "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Apparently I wasn't clear on asking for advice not literal moronic commentary..

J. Bond takes it for lamest, dumbest comment on a thread ever, as if he didn't even read the thread, grow up, laughable, you can't even read.

69 500 - Just have nothing better to do with your life, thank you for absolutely wasting everyone's time. READ the thread, $25 a month agreed upon amount is payable, NOT a now inflated price of $75 a month.. That is a difference of $2200 to $8200, or is math not available where you are as well..?

And Lennard, Hahhaha so right..

READ kids, R...E...A...D...

Man, you really are a cocky prick....You need to show more respect.If you were funny or interesting, your demeanor could be better tolerated. Mytur....That guy entertains despite being offensive at times. You? Not so far...
You have been a member for a very short time, have a grand total of LESS than 10 posts at this time and jump on others that disagree with the way you handle yourself?
You will not get many allies with your shit attitude. Assclowns that piss in their own water supply are a cancer wherever they live.
I'll bet that anyone that was likely to help or defend you are now regretting that thought.
Best advice: Dump this account, start over with a new screen name and improve your attitude. A large dose of humility would help your situation as well.

[DAY CLONA]

I do apologize for my lack of repeating myself only several times, "Never received a bill.." Of which I would have gladly paid..

There's your solution, I understand your beef is with the "actual" amount owed, but ignorance on anyone's behalf as to what and whom is owed isn't going to get your car back because you dispute the dollar terms, you need to meet the storage fees owed with some kind of compromise/negotiation if you want your property back, end of story... your battle is on that front, not here with differing opinions on who, what, why and when, there's no magical solution here for you, it's pretty cut and dry...

[b5blue]

  Best of luck to you and your Dad. FYI I paid 135 a month for many years to keep my car safe.

[OriginalOwner]

Mytur - just can't help himself.


But Kern Dog gets the title! Rad how offensively moronic any statement you just made was. Cocky? Probably, not really going to take crap from an internet troll like yourself, But respect is earned when respect is given, and you little buddy, will not get any referencing a conversation you are obviously not a part of in any regards to help.

Another patron who successfully didn't read the entire story/thread...
Call me what you want..

What I disagree with is exactly that, being disrespectful. Seriously do you have nothing better to do with your time? This is like three comments in 45 min of hitting the gym. So apparently you are referencing yourself as an ass clown? Seems about right, with yet another moronic retort to an otherwise civil question, with a moronic answer.

I'll handle this on my own (Obviously) and (Hopefully) without any future commentary on how you regard me. Funny enough the crowd mentality of this whole situation really is lame.
I used to think anyone with a Plymouth/Cuda/Charger any kind of Mopar was automatically cool and garnered respect for being in what I deemed the same "Club" ..

I am sadly mistaken, unfortunately for kids like Kern Dog ruining the fun of having a respectable vehicle, but I am sure the daily Prius is suiting you fine.

AGAIN, you know what? Forget it, I thought I may have been asking people that I could have deemed a respectable community of people to help but apparently am in the wrong forum.
Probbaly not going to read past the first sentence anyway, straight to troll-gate..


DAY CLONA - There you go, exactly.. I think I had already figured this whole thing out in less time than it took for the first negative comment to pop up. Absolutely right.


b5blue - Crazy! Thanks man!