Moussaoui gets life

[my73charger]

Discuss...

[mikepmcs]

simple, that rat bastard will be killed in prison if he isn't in confinement.  i highly doubt prisoners will tolerate this just like men praying on, molesting and killing kids, that sort of thing.

[Blown70]

GREAT now we are going to take care of that POS..... nice way to spend the tax $$$.

[Steve P.]

It won't take long to make sure he's being HANDLED by his 72 VIRGINS..........  


He will end up hanging from something..........

[MichaelRW]

I firmly believe in the death sentence and have always wanted a felon to have a speedy execution but in this case I would make an exception and this is why. That is what he wants. He wants to be a martyr and get his several dozen virgins (can't remember the exact amount). An American federal penitentiary is going to be absolute hell to him. I hope they feed him pork chops for dinner but our prison system is too touchy feely for that.

[Charger_Fan]

He will end up hanging from something..........

I bet he will try to off himself as soon as possible.

If he doesn't, then expect the usual round of biographies & movies in a couple years.

[Chris G.]

He will end up hanging from something..........

I bet he will try to off himself as soon as possible.

He will live a lovely life in his cell. He believes his religion and what it stands for. How many big time criminals have been "offed" inside the walls in the last 20 years? I think Dahmer was, but who else? Heck, OJ is no better than this dude, but he's golfing every day. This Moussaoui guy needed a better lawyer. Speaking of lawyers, who defended him? Will he be dead in the near future? Defense lawyers are just as bad as the killers. They know what happened, but try and make you and I think differently.

[nh_mopar_fan]

No chance of him getting some prison yard justice. He's be in solitary 23 hours a day.

[Arigmaster]

They shouldnt leave him haning from something... Skip the 72 virgins and his place as a marter... I am sure they could arrange for 72 other inmates to make him their bioch...

[Charger_Fan]

Speaking of lawyers, who defended him? Will he be dead in the near future?

He will soon have the curse of fleas from 1,000 camels in his armpits...





...then DEATH by those same fleas.

[TheGhost]

HOLD ON NOW!


Life, in this case, is certainly better than the death penalty.  Why, you may ask?  Because, by killing him, we make him a martyr in the eyes of the extremists.  Plus, he WANTS to die at our hands.  He WANTS to be a martyr.  By NOT killing him, we piss him off.  And I'm all for pissing this guy off.

Honestly, I would love to personally be the one to slit his throat, IF that wasn't what he wanted.  Let the bastard rot in jail, and keep him from the rest of the jail's population, so that they can't kill him, either.  Let him die of natural causes, and deny him his dreams of martyrdom.

[Guns N Rotors]

We have a 30 year history of responding to Islamofascist violence in a way that causes the Islamofascists to think we are weak and to attack up more. Started with the idiot peanut farmer and this is another case.

They should have sentenced him to death, boiled him to death in bacon grease, and sent the tape to Al Jazeera.

Hopefully they won't put him in solitary in the supermax. Turn him out in the general population and I doubt he would last long.

[Steve P.]

They shouldnt leave him haning from something... Skip the 72 virgins and his place as a marter... I am sure they could arrange for 72 other inmates to make him their bioch...

Go back and read my post again. Maybe I just didn't add enough color!!

[Sledge57]

Feed the bastard nothing but pork.
Then he can go to hell (in his mind) for eating pork or starve to death.

[Mike DC]

 

Feed the bastard nothing but pork.
Then he can go to hell (in his mind) for eating pork or starve to death

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I'm glad we didn't execute him.  (For the "don't make him a martyr" reasoning.)

And under the current system, it would have cost the U.S. gov't a hell of a lot more money to execute him than it costs to just give him life in prison.

He was too incompetent to actually participate in the final scheme, but he still got caught & tried & sent to jail for it.  And he didn't even get martyred, but rather got sentenced to several decades in an American prison!  Man, what a LOSER!

 

[Vainglory, Esq.]

I agree - life is better.  We don't need to manufacture martyrs for them, especially if they cannot see that the concept of martyrdom is one of the most disgusting ever foisted on humanity.

Give value for value...and let this guy rot for his actions.

[bull]

Tie him to a chair, duct tape his eyes open and make him watch Motley Crue music videos 24/7.

[Vainglory, Esq.]

Tie him to a chair, duct tape his eyes open and make him watch Motley Crue music videos 24/7.

Better yet, make him watch Madonna.

I'm envisioning something like that scene in clockwork orange...

[Silver R/T]

As a christian, do not believe in killing anyone, but some people are almost exceptions. But none of us are perfect, so we shouldnt really judge

[TheGhost]

But none of us are perfect, so we shouldnt really judge

Um... the guy is proud of the fact that his pals slaughtered thousands of innocent people.  That's good enough reason for me to judge his ass.

[bull]

As a christian, do not believe in killing anyone, but some people are almost exceptions. But none of us are perfect, so we shouldnt really judge

Ok, but we pay judges to judgemental. And when someone breaks the law and hurts innocent people we expect that judge to judge the situation and make a ruling based on the laws of the land. So is a judge sinning when he judges? I mean, he still made a judgement it just wasn't a judgement for the death sentence. So are you arguing against judgement or the death penalty?

[Brock Samson]

I think Silver raises a valid argument...

  There are many contradictions in our justice system though it may be considered by some to be "The Best".
  To my thinking "An eye for an eye" as a form of justice,.. is very Old Testament,.. if ya' ask me and as a Christian "Believer" myself, i need to be reminded many times everyday that the law was amended to "turn the other cheek".
These are not easy tenants to uphold.
  I'm not a biblical or legal expert so I don't really know, I'm simply a self proclaimed pacifist who hopes to follow closer to the teachings of Jesus. I hope to follow my Heart rather then my Head... But I'm still taking baby steps in my faith.
I am appalled and stand convicted as much at my own anger and outrage at the many acts of injustice and violence i see everyday around me, not just in the middle east but here in my own backyard, and at my own prejudices, capricious judgments and determinations. I must say i don't know how to the right wrongs of the world in a single posting on an automotive website, I'm appalled by the determination of some that the best way to deal with the problems in the world are a few strategic Nukes in the "right" places or to invade our neighbors.
  I'm sure some may find my feelings simplistic or even foolish and that's OK, I'm just tired of all the hate and the continuing circle of escalating violence and I would like to take a stand for peace. I'm not sorry for my faith.
  I just wonder,..  can you call yourself a Christian if you favor the death penalty?.. And where then does the revenge stop?..
Let's not create another martyr.

[Shakey]

As a christian, do not believe in killing anyone, but some people are almost exceptions. But none of us are perfect, so we shouldnt really judge

Ok, but we pay judges to judgemental. And when someone breaks the law and hurts innocent people we expect that judge to judge the situation and make a ruling based on the laws of the land. So is a judge sinning when he judges? I mean, he still made a judgement it just wasn't a judgement for the death sentence. So are you arguing against judgement or the death penalty?

I thought a jury of twelve peers judge whether or not the person(s) are guilty of a crime and in this case, also decided the punishment - life or death.

[mikepmcs]

now i gotta say something, that kind of thinking, like turning the other cheek and not judging and democrats, peaceniks and liberals are what has gotten us in to this mess in the first place. you keep turning the other cheek and you will get stomped, that is reality because the rest of the world doesn't follow the same principles, they will do it again and again if it doesn't get stopped or under control.
the bible and faith and love everyone... ain't gonna save you from a bullet to the head or an airplane in to the pentagon/twin towers, get it, they don't recognize it.  wake up and support what the US is trying to do, which is protecting your butts.

the last president screwed it all up, it's because of his demo careless attitude that 9/11 happened, bs'ing the public in to thinking the US is safe and then left it to GW to pick the fight and clean up the mess, and take the beating from all of civilization. say what you want about the man, but he's honest and he loves his country and is doing the right thing. i am so thankful everyday i wake up that there is a republican in the whitehouse. 

i hope that POS mouse-a-sacha sh@# gets torchered in prison every day and they take him apart little by little so he suffers for a year or more in extreme pain and then finally dies as rat are eating his eyes.   

let me ask you this, if one of these guys killed your whole family or just one member, would you still feel the same way, i doubt you would turn the other cheek then.  I'm not saying don't have faith and by all means practice your religions and such, but for christ sakes throw a little realism in there too. 

We all want peace, but until the US has to stop policing the world(never happen) because they are so screwed up over there we will never have it.  deal with it, it is necessary.

Team America F@#!  yeah, here to save the mother  F#&$!@  world yeah!

[Mike DC]

I don't think many Liberals truly advocate "turning the other cheek" on people like Al Qaida.  It's easy to find examples of extremist tree-huggers saying stupid things, but you can find the similiar idiots & extremists among conservatives as well.  Doesn't mean it's representative of the whole.

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the last president screwed it all up, it's because of his demo careless attitude that 9/11 happened, bs'ing the public in to thinking the US is safe and then left it to GW to pick the fight and clean up the mess, and take the beating from all of civilization

Yes, I agree that Clinton totally screwed up on not getting Osama.  Especially after the first WTC bombing gave an indication of how serious Osama was.

But Clinton was also trying to preserve several other delicate balances of diplomacy in the Middle East at the time by letting Osama go.
And George Bush Senior also screwed up on not finishing off Saddam in 1991, which would have spared us this entire second Iraq war.  And Reagan screwed up by supporting and arming both Saddam AND  the Taliban for years in the 1980s, including reportedly even having the CIA help train their guerilla fighters to be more effective . . . we could run this discussion all day long.

Hindsight is always 20/20.  I personally think there's plenty of blame to go around for both parties.

[4402tuff4u]

You want to make him squirm? In his meals sneak pork products, video tape it when you are preparing his food and then after he eats it digest it, show it to him. Once they consume or touch pigs blood, they believe they are no longer pure and cannot enter to their heaven!

Then he will be able to clap his hands and say that he has won!!!

[volk68]

He will be in a security max lockdown out here in Colorado.  They are released from their cells for 1/2 an hour a day.  I'm afraid there won't be any opportunity for vigilante prison justice.  Even worse, he won't even have the chance to have a boyfriend    If it has to be this way, then I agree with the others...feed him pork.

[MichaelRW]

Here's the stockpile for his dinners.

[Brock Samson]

ok mikepcms i get it.  it's the pacifists fault,.. the democratic ones... sure man..
whatever.

[Orange_Crush]

This is where Moussawi will be spending the rest of his life.  23.5 hours a day will be spent in this room and 30 minutes of exercise in total isolation.  No contact with anyone. 

Personally, I'd rather die.  The cell where they will most likely put him will have a window, but there will be a wall in front of it so that he cannot evel look out and see anything.

There are worse things than death.  You kill him and you have given him what he wants...a free pass into paradise (as far as he's concerned).  This way, he will die alone and miserable and no one will ever know of, or celebrate his passing.  He won't even be able to commit suicide becuase he will be under constant supervision.

[mikepmcs]

ok mikepcms i get it.  it's the pacifists fault,.. the democratic ones... sure man..
whatever.

i knew that one was coming,
just saying there is some dangerous naive thinking out there, i  wasn't picking on you personally strat it's just yours and a couple of other posts fueled me a little.
you can be whatever you want(general statement once again), just don't try to make the USA look like fools.
don't get the impression that i'm a war monger or anything cause i'm not, but i am in the military to protect our rights as an american to express yourself anyway you wish, i just wish all these protestors would keep it to themselves cause we look like idiots to other countries because we don't support our leaders.  and it also demoralizes the troops. i remember right after 9/11 how patriotic everyone was and i said right there and then this is awesome, but knew in my mind it wouldn't last.  war is not a push a button, drop a bomb, and you're out deal, it's long, painful, and it's hell!  We as an American society are too impatient and want to see results quickly so when stuff doesn't end as quickly as we think it should we tend to lose sight of what really started the whole thing and begin to criticize and look for reasons why we shouldn't be in conflict or whatever. just watch some films of 9/11 again and it should kick ya'll back in to gear.  I'm talking the pentagon, towers, flight 93, heck even the london bombings last july, those are just the more recent ones.  it's terrible and they will not stop if we don't stop them.
i still have my opinion of what i think about different political followings and that's what it is, my opinion and i will not change it.  
i'm on the inside so to speak and i might, or might not know something the general population that has never "served" knows, so it really upsets me that whatever the media brings back and reports america believes it's the truth.  Fox is about the only news channel that attempts to report fairly.  CNN is wacko!
Actually if it were up to me there would be no media coverage at all allowed during war time, only military journalism for historical purposes. media is reckless! feed them pork too, I say!
now back to the topic of moose-a-sach-a sh@#
he'll get his i predict, even if he only sees daylight 30 minutes a day, someone will get that bastard along with all the others out there.
don't come in to our house and try to push us around.
alright i gotta go eat some pork.

[73dodge]

He will spend 23 hours a day in a room with no windows in an under ground cell with no sunlight. He will get 1 hour a day for exercise in a enclosed room not outside. He will have a small black and white TV that only will get religious programing and anger management classes.

Personally I think the TV should have the 700 Club running non-stop along with a healthy dose of Jewish religious cerimonies shows thrown in, like showing 24 hours of passover celebrations during passover. Make the TV a 72" LCD full color and deactivate the volume and power controls. And have his food blessed by a jewish rabbi and make sure he only gets kosher foods.

Either that or show 24hr of constant Barney/Teletubbies shows that would make me kill myself..........


Hey I heard Franch wants the US to send him to Franch because he's a French citizen so he can spend his time in French custody, all three minutes of it before they release him in the general populace.

[71440charger]

well i think that he should be sat down and one by one have his finger nails and toe nails pulled out. then he should have his eye lids cut off where he cannot shut his eyes. and then he should have his intestine pulled through a small hole in his stomach so slow that it dries out a little at a time. that MOTHERFER helped kill one of my friend firefighters in  New York and i could think of a hole lot more to do to that SOB he justneeds to be torchered untill life support cannot keep him alive like he did to those people traped unter rubble. AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE TOSAY ABOUT THAT!!

[my73charger]

We could pipe in the Star Spangled Banner for his listening enjoyment.  The 700 club and jewish ceremony is also a good idea.  There are worse things than death, oh yes there are....

[TheGhost]

I honestly think that even if he could kill himself, he wouldn't do it.  At least, not just himself.  From what I understand, suicide is against their religion, EXCEPT when used to kill their percieved enemies.  By just killing himself alone, he doesn't earn a ticket to paradise, he get's a free, one way trip to hell.

[Mike DC]

Man, I shudder at the idea of living in that concrete box for the next 40 years until I die. 

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On the news they were rattling off the names of a few fellow inmates in Supermax.  People like Eric Rudolph, Terry Nichols, Ted Kaszinski . . . I can't imagine living in that box ever since any one of them was arrested.  And it's only been like 5-10 years for those guys! 

But can you imagine being put into that box around the time our DODGE CHARGERS were first being built, and stilll being in there now?

There are things worse that death.
I'm glad we didn't execute the slime.  The international community will respect us more for this decision anyway. 
This IS  punishment!

 

[Shakey]

Man, I shudder at the idea of living in that concrete box for the next 40 years until I die. 

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On the news they were rattling off the names of a few fellow inmates in Supermax.  People like Eric Rudolph, Terry Nichols, Ted Kaszinski . . . I can't imagine living in that box ever since any one of them was arrested.  And it's only been like 5-10 years for those guys! 

But can you imagine being put into that box around the time our DODGE CHARGERS were first being built, and stilll being in there now?

There are things worse that death.
I'm glad we didn't execute the slime.  The international community will respect us more for this decision anyway. 
This IS  punishment!

 

I spent one night in the Jackson County Jail in Black River Falls, WI when I was 23 while on a road trip around the Great Lakes.  That was enough for me and knew that I never ever wanted to go back.  Nothing happened, but just the thought of not being able to leave frustrated me to no end.

Freedom = 

[Charger_Fan]

So now that the verdict has been handed down & he didn't get death like he wanted...NOW he wants to change his plea...

Convicted September 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui has said he lied on the witness stand about being involved in the September 11 plot.

Moussaoui also asked to withdraw his guilty plea because he now believes he can get a fair trial in the United States.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1693975,00050001.htm

BBWAAAHHAAAA!!! What a friggin' putz.

[Mike DC]

 
Holy crap!
That's pretty funny.

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I'm still kinda bowled over by what a total loser the guy is.  Joe Dirt could pick on this guy.

--  Moussaoui wants to be a suicide attacker, but he can't even do that.  The evil Al-Qaida finds him so incapable & annoying that they won't even use him.  He actually failed to qualify for cannon fodder. 

--  So he doesn't get to commit the crime, but he does still manage to get caught & tried for the big historic crime that the rest of them did anyway. 

--  And then when he tries to at least get himself executed as a martyr, we sentence him to spend the rest of his life in a little cell in the middle of nowhere instead. 

--  And by this time you might think such a pitiful tool would stir up a little bit of sympathy from a few tree-hugging types, but not Moussaoui.  Nobody (on either side) even feels sorry for him because he's an unrepentant angry little bastard the whole time!


Man . . .
I can't think of another person whose ultimate batting average is such a perfect zero.  Every step of the way he suffers 100% consequences and gets none of the rewards.
 
 

[CaptMarvel]

ok mikepcms i get it.  it's the pacifists fault,.. the democratic ones... sure man..
whatever.

Yes, now you're getting it,  Seriously..
I agree with him, Bush isnt perfect (never known anyone to be) but it's clear he does love his country & I think he is pretty honest about things too.

By the way, (to whoever said it) I am an active, studying, churchgoing, gradually improving Christian & I (as well as everyone else)should judge people when they are a scourge on humanity. There is nothing in the Gospel that says we are to turn the other cheek to the point of harming ourselves or our families, quite the opposite actually, we are to protect the righeous causes and ways of life. You are thinking of Ghandi no doubt (letting others beat you senseless). If you want to get picky about it, we CANT truly judge anyone else anyway..that's GOD's part. We can however protect the rest of society by identifying clearly dangerous people like terrorists and removing them from society.   

[4402tuff4u]

ok mikepcms i get it.  it's the pacifists fault,.. the democratic ones... sure man..
whatever.

Yes, now you're getting it,  Seriously..
I agree with him, Bush isnt perfect (never known anyone to be) but it's clear he does love his country & I think he is pretty honest about things too.

By the way, (to whoever said it) I am an active, studying, churchgoing, gradually improving Christian & I (as well as everyone else)should judge people when they are a scourge on humanity. There is nothing in the Gospel that says we are to turn the other cheek to the point of harming ourselves or our families, quite the opposite actually, we are to protect the righeous causes and ways of life. You are thinking of Ghandi no doubt (letting others beat you senseless). If you want to get picky about it, we CANT truly judge anyone else anyway..that's GOD's part. We can however protect the rest of society by identifying clearly dangerous people like terrorists and removing them from society.   

You might want to read Matthew 5:38-42   

[CaptMarvel]

You might want to read Matthew 5:38-42   

Yes, the sermon on the mount is full of inspirational teachings which I'm not making light of, but dont forget that we (Americans and other freedom lovers) are also exhorted in the scriptures to be the guardians of democracy and freedom. Clearly, these 2 laws cannot co-exist, yet they must. (Kind of like the whole Garden of Eden multiply commanment but dont eat of the fruit commandment, but you cant multiply until you do so) Read into it however you want, its clear to me that we have to live the Gospel, but also protect American interests and its safety and for justice to be served as well....I think this is the main reason we see so many problems in everday life, because so many are not willing to adhere to laws. I believe the Gospel to be far more conservative than liberal. I think in the final analysis we will see how these two absolutes fit in with each other..  By the way, Matt 38-42 does not say anything about signing our own death warrant by "turning the other cheek"

[Mike DC]

 
IMHO it's hard to apply the finer points of conservatism vs liberalism to the creators of Christianity as we know it.  I'd give the nod to conservatism for being the "correct one" if I had to pick one or the other, but it's a complex issue. 

I personally think the continual asumption that a "conservative" position automatically equals the "Christian" position on all kinds of issues is screwing up a lot of things right now.  The creators of that religion were fighting a very different set of cutural & physical battles than we are now.
 

[CaptMarvel]

 
IMHO it's hard to apply the finer points of conservatism vs liberalism to the creators of Christianity as we know it.  I'd give the nod to conservatism for being the "correct one" if I had to pick one or the other, but it's a complex issue. 

I personally think the continual asumption that a "conservative" position automatically equals the "Christian" position on all kinds of issues is screwing up a lot of things right now.  The creators of that religion were fighting a very different set of cutural & physical battles than we are now.
 

Agreed, I am refering more to the overall eternal law type of thing, not necessarily the human (and often times flawed) people in early (specific) Christianity. I see many things that the conservative movement has in common with those (eternal) laws, making the best of ones personal strengths, giving to those truly in need by teaching them how to provide for themselves, understanding free agency (its blessing and dangers) etc. There are a few liberal ideas in these laws too, but I dont see nearly as many...