fender tags where to get one?

[socalcharger]

wheres a good place to get repop fender tags from? without all the BS

[69CoronetRT]

wheres a good places to get repop fender tags from? without all the BS

Good as in made of metal with two holes and some codes or good as in accurate?

A lot of vendors will sell you a bad one. It up to you to make an accurate one.

[green69rt]

I have no info on these folks, good or bad, just have them in my list of vendors.

http://www.datatags.com/

[69CoronetRT]

I have no info on these folks, good or bad, just have them in my list of vendors.

http://www.datatags.com/

He's the one that made the bad tag on my car for a previous owner.

[green69rt]

That's disappointing, that's the only source I have.

[kent]

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He's the one that made the bad tag on my car for a previous owner.
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Bad tag means a juiced up tag? Wrong made up codes??

[69CoronetRT]

He's the one that made the bad tag on my car for a previous owner.
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Bad tag means a juiced up tag? Wrong made up codes??
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Codes that shouldn't be on there and codes for items that didn't come on the car. I was new and dumb. 16 years and looking at 1,000s of tags later, I'm a little smarter but some tag makers aren't. The still take money and put out bad tags.

People wouldn't accept such poor quality on other reproduction parts but they still shell out good money for bad tags

[kent]

Thanks for the reply 69CoronetRT. 
Same old story. Original owner took the tag off and misplaced it, and I have the wrong build sheet.  I'm the second owner of a 23k mile 70 Charger 500 with just a few options.  Would love to get a fender tag but no way of proving what the car originally had. And I have been at this long enough that I would sooner have no tag than a fake one. I wish they would have kept the records.
Thanks again.

[69CoronetRT]

Thanks for the reply 69CoronetRT. 
Same old story. Original owner took the tag off and misplaced it, and I have the wrong build sheet.  I'm the second owner of a 23k mile 70 Charger 500 with just a few options.  Would love to get a fender tag but no way of proving what the car originally had. And I have been at this long enough that I would sooner have no tag than a fake one. I wish they would have kept the records.
Thanks again.

I know. I have the same situation; no documentation.

Sometimes none is better than bad. Bad may bring up questions you don't want asked.

[Ghoste]

Yup.

[orange383]

The tag is missing on my car also. Apparently the previous owners brother took it off when working on the car and put it his tool box for safe keeping.
There was a guy in my car club that sells classic cars that lives just round the corner from the previous owner and knew him. I asked if he would enquire about the tag next time he saw him. He wanted paying and knowing it wouldn't be cheap and I had no money left after buying the car and being made redundant I didn't pursue it any further. That was 9yrs ago now so little chance of getting hold of it now.

I still have my Charger though which is the main thing. But it is slightly annoying knowing it could still be out there somewhere.

[CRW-FK5]

I have no info on these folks, good or bad, just have them in my list of vendors.

http://www.datatags.com/

He's the one that made the bad tag on my car for a previous owner.

Bad as in not made of metal with 2 holes in it or bad as in inaccurate?

[Y1CHARGER]

When that happens, I'd say you need to blame the person who ordered it more than the person who made it.  The person who ordered it could have given false documents, etc. and it's not the fault of the tag guy to have believed and trusted the customer.   

[69CoronetRT]

When that happens, I'd say you need to blame the person who ordered it more than the person who made it.  The person who ordered it could have given false documents, etc. and it's not the fault of the tag guy to have believed and trusted the customer.   

Maybe....

If I offer my services to provide widgets, I need to have at lease some minimal level of proficiency in making widgets.

If I offer my services to make fender tags, I have to at least have some level of proficiency in knowing layouts and proper coding. After that, if I rely on the customer, then I am absolved of some liability, but if someone hires me to make a 69 LR tag but I lay it out like a 69 StL tag, then I have probably violated implied warranty of fitness. The product provided to the customer does not meet at least minimal standards of fitness for application.

The responsibility goes both ways.

Implied Warranty of Fitness

Some purchases come with what is called an implied warranty of fitness. This means that a product is guaranteed for a specific purpose, beyond the lower threshold of merchantability. So if you asked a salesperson to recommend a blender specifically for making frozen cocktails, but the one that's recommended turns out to not have enough power to crush ice cubes, then you may return the item under its implied warranty of fitness.

That means sales of consumer goods that work perfectly fine, just not for the customer's planned and stated use, may breach an implied warranty of fitness. The warranty usually is implied through the salesperson's assurance or recommendation of an item for a specific purpose.

[Alaskan_TA]

When that happens, I'd say you need to blame the person who ordered it more than the person who made it.  The person who ordered it could have given false documents, etc. and it's not the fault of the tag guy to have believed and trusted the customer.   

If all the fake tag makers did not offer their services to make fake tags, then the customers that wanted fake tags would have no where to go. 

[69CoronetRT]

I have no info on these folks, good or bad, just have them in my list of vendors.

http://www.datatags.com/

He's the one that made the bad tag on my car for a previous owner.

Bad as in not made of metal with 2 holes in it or bad as in inaccurate?

See post 6.

[Challenger340]

wheres a good place to get repop fender tags from? without all the BS

Can you please define "without all the BS" ?

[green69rt]

So, is there any hope of getting a good tag?  Or should I just use my old, beat up, rusted tag?

[Y1CHARGER]

I have no info on these folks, good or bad, just have them in my list of vendors.

http://www.datatags.com/

This company will do a great job duplicating what you have, contact them and you'll probably send them a pencil rubbing or a picture of your tag and you will get a nice product in return.  The problems come from the people that provide false info to the tag company and then others blame the tag company and not the person who actually created the fraud.

[69CoronetRT]

I have no info on these folks, good or bad, just have them in my list of vendors.

http://www.datatags.com/

This company will do a great job duplicating what you have, contact them and you'll probably send them a pencil rubbing or a picture of your tag and you will get a nice product in return.  The problems come from the people that provide false info to the tag company and then others blame the tag company and not the person who actually created the fraud.

See post 6. They made my tag without supporting documentation. They made my tag with errors meaning they didn't know what was or wasn't supposed to be on the tag.

The person that creates the fraud is the tag maker as they blindly and willingly take money to make known bad tags. The customer cannot make the tag ergo they can't commit the fraud.

Don't hide behind the "well the customer said..." crap. You either make a legit documented accurate tag or you make a fraud. There is no gray area wiggle room.

[Y1CHARGER]

I have no info on these folks, good or bad, just have them in my list of vendors.

http://www.datatags.com/

This company will do a great job duplicating what you have, contact them and you'll probably send them a pencil rubbing or a picture of your tag and you will get a nice product in return.  The problems come from the people that provide false info to the tag company and then others blame the tag company and not the person who actually created the fraud.

See post 6. They made my tag without supporting documentation. They made my tag with errors meaning they didn't know what was or wasn't supposed to be on the tag.

The person that creates the fraud is the tag maker as they blindly and willingly take money to make known bad tags. The customer cannot make the tag ergo they can't commit the fraud.

Don't hide behind the "well the customer said..." crap. You either make a legit documented accurate tag or you make a fraud. There is no gray area wiggle room.

I can read Thank You, But for the situation at hand, green69rt has a rusty tag that he wants remade, and the company he's asking about will do a great job for him.  If you don't want to use this company, then that's your prerogative, 

[maxwellwedge]

So, is there any hope of getting a good tag?  Or should I just use my old, beat up, rusted tag?

If your tag is still totally legible (sometimes flipping it over will show more) and if you want a pristine identical one - that's fine.....as long as you keep your old tag as backup. You can check with Frank Badalson as well....he has a source that makes them too.

[green69rt]

So, is there any hope of getting a good tag?  Or should I just use my old, beat up, rusted tag?

If your tag is still totally legible (sometimes flipping it over will show more) and if you want a pristine identical one - that's fine.....as long as you keep your old tag as backup. You can check with Frank Badalson as well....he has a source that makes them too.

Both tags are in good to fair shape and I could use them.  The dash tag has some rust on the back but the paint on the front is worn off at the ends.  lettering is still very good.  The fender tag is just bent up some and looks like it has about 10 layers of paint.  I could use both with some work, just wondering about new ones.   I will, absolutely, keep them if I get new ones.  I have a book with tags, build sheets, original sales invoice and dealer prep sheet so nothing gets thrown away.  

Oh, and I can read all the codes so I don't need anyone to decode them, just stamp what I tell them.

[birdsandbees]

Dash tag you can just respray and stencil (ECS has the dry rub). Or as I did, because I f'd up the stencil, taped off the Chrylser logo.. sprayed,, rubbed out the tape line and cleared. Through the window you can't tell.  Fender tag, hit it with paint stripper and see how it looks. If you want a new one use Dave Wise at MMC Detroit LLC. He will want at least a photo of the tag, dash VIN, body stamps and possibly a broadcast sheet copy if you have one. No monkey business from Dave if you can't connect the dots on your car. No extra bogus codes, just what your car came with. Had him do one for my Bird and it was at least 30 emails and proofs back and forth before the tag was manufactured.

[green69rt]

Dash tag you can just respray and stencil (ECS has the dry rub). Or as I did, because I f'd up the stencil, taped off the Chrylser logo.. sprayed,, rubbed out the tape line and cleared. Through the window you can't tell.  Fender tag, hit it with paint stripper and see how it looks. If you want a new one use Dave Wise at MMC Detroit LLC. He will want at least a photo of the tag, dash VIN, body stamps and possibly a broadcast sheet copy if you have one. No monkey business from Dave if you can't connect the dots on your car. No extra bogus codes, just what your car came with. Had him do one for my Bird and it was at least 30 emails and proofs back and forth before the tag was manufactured.

Good info.  The rust on my VIN tag is on the back so not visible.  I'm going to try you way.

[birdsandbees]

 

[charger500440]

Dash tag you can just respray and stencil (ECS has the dry rub). Or as I did, because I f'd up the stencil, taped off the Chrylser logo.. sprayed,, rubbed out the tape line and cleared. Through the window you can't tell.  Fender tag, hit it with paint stripper and see how it looks. If you want a new one use Dave Wise at MMC Detroit LLC. He will want at least a photo of the tag, dash VIN, body stamps and possibly a broadcast sheet copy if you have one. No monkey business from Dave if you can't connect the dots on your car. No extra bogus codes, just what your car came with. Had him do one for my Bird and it was at least 30 emails and proofs back and forth before the tag was manufactured.

One word of caution - some states are very particular about restoring any VIN tags (et al). I know because I live in one - Connecticut, but there are other states too that take policing undocumented vehicles "very" seriously. My advice to anyone is to treat these tags like any other vintage part of your car - original is always better than reproduction and it's only original once - so only restore it if it's absolutely necessary. I think this is especially true of the dash VIN. My 500 has no b-cast sheet or fender tag, they're gone and there is nothing I can do about it. As frustrating as it is, when I do the dash I am going to leave the VIN exactly as it is. That way there is no question about the one key piece of documentation I have left. The VIN is intact and it matches the two body serial numbers which I will also make sure stay intact.

To the original post's point, if the fender tag is a mess and you can duplicate it exactly - why not? Save the original and there's no harm in that.

[birdsandbees]

I'm not too worried, I can document the car right back to where my father bought it.... 

[green69rt]

You VIN tag looks perfect.  Did you get a new Chrysler Logo decal?  That's what mine needs, mostly.   That and a new coat of black paint. ECS has the decal?  I couldn't find it on their website so will call tomorrow.

My VIN below.  I would be OK using it if it looked better.

And what about rivets?

[green69rt]

Just found it at ECS.  now I know what to do!

[DAY CLONA]

Can you please define "without all the BS" ?

That would be the accompanying replies/posts # 1,3,6,8,13,14,15,19...

[DAY CLONA]

And what about rivets?

one stop shopping at ECS (Dave Walden) dry rub transfer and rivets

[birdsandbees]

Yes Mitch, you can buy the "kit", two rivets and a dry transfer. I had mine done perfectly and then did something stupid and got some thinner tooo close and the transfer went to hell as it was too fresh.  What I show above is like I said "logo taped off, painted and then cleared" You can see where I taped it off.

Here's the dry rub transfer.. before I f'd it up! And for reference I got it in the correct place. The Pentastar points right into the center of the H. Yours looks to point at the left of the G, just make note of it's where abouts and duplicate.

[green69rt]

Yes Mitch, you can buy the "kit", two rivets and a dry transfer. I had mine done perfectly and then did something stupid and got some thinner tooo close and the transfer went to hell as it was too fresh.  What I show above is like I said "logo taped off, painted and then cleared" You can see where I taped it off.

Here's the dry rub transfer.. before I f'd it up! And for reference I got it in the correct place. The Pentastar points right into the center of the H. Yours looks to point at the left of the G, just make note of it's where abouts and duplicate.

Good tip.  But  $53 for a very small decal and two rivets!!

[birdsandbees]

Yep... and I have over a million rivets in my hangar... I still bought them from David. That said, you could make your own with a couple of 10 cent pop rivets and a dremel!

[green69rt]

Final question (yeah, right), are the rivets for the fender tag the same as dash.  I seem to remember from this site that the fender tag uses some kind of screw...

[birdsandbees]

Fender tag is screwed down..

[green69rt]

Thanks.

[DAY CLONA]

 But  $53 for a very small decal and two rivets!!

Actually a very good deal, most vendors are getting $50+ for just 2 rivets, plus if it's coming from Dave W. you know it's correct and top quality

[green69rt]

 But  $53 for a very small decal and two rivets!!

Actually a very good deal, most vendors are getting $50+ for just 2 rivets, plus if it's coming from Dave W. you know it's correct and top quality

Just, sometimes I'm amazed at how much we're willing to shell out for our hobby.  It doesn't stop me but it does amaze me.

[timmycharger]

But  $53 for a very small decal and two rivets!!

Actually a very good deal, most vendors are getting $50+ for just 2 rivets, plus if it's coming from Dave W. you know it's correct and top quality

Just, sometimes I'm amazed at how much we're willing to shell out for our hobby.  It doesn't stop me but it does amaze me.

My thoughts exactly!  I bought the kit from Dave as well, came out perfect when I was done, but boy even though I have used hundreds of rivets on various things over the years, I was so nervous when I popped these two on. I didn't want to screw it up at $50 a pair!