How rare? 70 Charger, six cylinder, 3 SPD Manual Column

[ricoman97]

Hello All,
I just picked up a 70 Charger a while back and finally got the fender tag picture as it was separated from the car. How rare of a car is this?
BTW, it is no longer in this form. It is an RT Hemi Clone now.
Thanks in advance
Rich

XH29: Dodge Charger High 2 Door Sports Hardtop

C0G: 225 145HP 1-1BBL 6 CYL
1970 St. Louis, MO, USA

186XXX:   Sequence number

E24:    225 cid 1 barrel 6 Cylinder 145hp
D11:    3 Speed Manual Transmission-Column Shift 6 Cyl.
FK5:    Dark Burnt Orange Metallic Exterior Color
C2K4:    Trim - Charger, Vinyl Bench Seat, Burnt Orange
FK5:    Dark Burnt Orange Metallic Int. Door Frames
2O6:    Build Date: February O6
140863:   Order number

FK5:    Dark Burnt Orange Metallic Top Color
A73: 70 only    Special Value Package - XH29 Charger
M21:    Roof drip rail moldings
M31:    Belt Moldings
N95:    Emissions Control

[6bblgt]

per GG's "white book"

XH29C0G with 3-speed manual = 104 built to US spec. 1970 model year

[6bblgt]

& according to the '70 Charger Registry  *  http://1970chargerregistry.com/production.html

of the 181 /6 (225 cu.in.) powered base '70 Chargers (XH29C0G) * 33 of them went to California (N95 emission package)

per the fender tag, the car had no OPTIONs except for the "emission package" which was a requirement for registration in the state of CA

is there a broadcast sheet?

[ricoman97]

There is no broadcast sheet. I was lucky to get the fender tag...
I appreciate your numbers and info.  I had just never heard of such a car especially with literally no options!

It is definitely a California delivered car. I have a copy of the original title delivered in 5/1970 to a gentleman in Sacramento CA.

[Kern Dog]

That is a pretty rare car. Even so, I can understand the way that you went with it. The car is yours to build as you wish.

[AKcharger]

I would say it's among the RAREST of '70's I have only seen ONE 6 cyl charger in person, that was in a junk yard in 1982

[ht4spd307]

Rare but not desirable

[Alaskan_TA]

Desire depends on the person.

I have a 1970 Valiant 4-door with a 3-speed on the floor, I love it!

Ordered new by a girl in Colorado, 318, A230 3-speed, manual steering, HD manual drum brakes, 3.23 8 3/4" with blackwall tires.

It drives like a mini-Road  Runner. 

[69CoronetRT]

That is a pretty rare car. Even so, I can understand the way that you went with it. The car is yours to build as you wish.

It is an RT Hemi Clone now.


I think someone beat him to it.

[bakerhillpins]

Desire depends on the person.

I have a 1970 Valiant 4-door with a 3-speed on the floor, I love it!

Ordered new by a girl in Colorado, 318, A230 3-speed, manual steering, HD manual drum brakes, 3.23 8 3/4" with blackwall tires.

It drives like a mini-Road  Runner. 

I have a soft spot for those cars and would love to own a few of them. 

[Alaskan_TA]

Me too!

I was not having an easy time finding 1970 up D13 info, so I spent months chasing parts, different transmissions down, linkages & all for a future, detailed article on HH.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Rare but not desirable

Agreed.

I'd say that it's more desirable now as a Hemi clone than in it's original form.

[pipeliner]

Rare but not desirable

Agreed.

I'd say that it's more desirable now as a Hemi clone than in it's original form.

Its not desirable to me. I hate clones of any kind.

[moparstuart]

Rare but not desirable

Agreed.

I'd say that it's more desirable now as a Hemi clone than in it's original form.

Its not desirable to me. I hate clones of any kind.

Haters gonna Hate

[alfaitalia]

Rare but not desirable

Agreed.

I'd say that it's more desirable now as a Hemi clone than in it's original form.

Its not desirable to me. I hate clones of any kind.

Bit harsh friend. Hate is a strong word. I don't own a clone....no particular want to. But there lots of members I have great respect for on here that have created some incredible clones.....some built to a standard that makes them virtually indistinguishable from the real thing. So full respect to that. If I wanted a Daytona etc...a clone would be the only way that I could get close to one....financially that is.....so I don't see anything wrong with that as long as they don't try and pass it off for something it isn't. I would take it very personally if someone said they hated my car after all the work, heart and soul I'm putting into. Having a point of view is cool....a lot on here wont like my car....hate???....not so cool.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

 I hate clones of any kind.

[ricoman97]

Much appreciated everyone!  I bought it as a clone knowing what I was getting into but I did not get the fender tag until 6 months after the purchase.  Once I saw it, I never saw a car like this.  That being said, value is in the eye of the beholder and right now the decision on this car was made long before I got it and there is no way I am taking it back to it.  I am glad this knowledge is now out there that goofy cars like this were made and some saw it to be the perfect clone candidate...
Thanks all.

[Homerr]

Cool car then & now!

[F8-4life]

I bought a original paint 1968 coronet 440 last year...factory 3 on the tree with a 318.
Manual brakes and steering.
Learned to drive a stick in it and really like the car.
If I found a charger like you descibe, I would leave it bone stock.

[fizz]

WOW nice car and color

[69CoronetRT]

Rare but not desirable

Agreed.

I'd say that it's more desirable now as a Hemi clone than in it's original form.

Its not desirable to me. I hate clones of any kind.

Bit harsh friend. Hate is a strong word. I don't own a clone....no particular want to. But there lots of members I have great respect for on here that have created some incredible clones.....some built to a standard that makes them virtually indistinguishable from the real thing. So full respect to that. If I wanted a Daytona etc...a clone would be the only way that I could get close to one....financially that is.....so I don't see anything wrong with that as long as they don't try and pass it off for something it isn't. I would take it very personally if someone said they hated my car after all the work, heart and soul I'm putting into. Having a point of view is cool....a lot on here wont like my car....hate???....not so cool.

Lol....the only reason to build a clone is to pass it off as something it isn't. Otherwise, why build it?

Building for performance was always cool.
Rebadging to impress people was never cool.

[alfaitalia]

Well that's a fair chunk of the membership you've offended...lol! Obviously I meant trying to pass it off as genuine when selling.....and I'm sure no member here would do that. There are not enough of the genuine article to go around so if you want to own something close then a clone is the answer........There are probably way more clone 'birds and Daytonas than the real thing. Also you don't have to worry so much about driving a clone......many of the real thing are just trailer queens now as they are just too expensive and rare to drive in the eyes of many...pity.

I think that if people are honest, whatever car they build , whether it's a rat, DD, or 100 point show car they are just as much building them to impress others than they are to make themselves happy. Or we works not want to own such special cars....can't wait to show mine off !....and proud to say it....cool or not!

[Lennard]

Lol....the only reason to build a clone is to pass it off as something it isn't. Otherwise, why build it?

Building for performance was always cool.
Rebadging to impress people was never cool.

Here we go again...
Some people just don't give a f**k about what other people think is cool. The only thing that matters is that the owner thinks it's cool. I'm cloning/resto modding my '68 into an R/T. Not to impress anyone, not for the extra money that an R/T is worth (I'm keeping it till I die) but because I didn't want to "cut up" a real R/T. When it's going back on the road, it's going to be 100% better than a factory R/T ever was.
Fyi, I also own a real '69 R/Tse.

[DanielRobert]

Hate is a little much when looking at someones car. Gota figure on "to each their own". I used to argue with my car buddies that if I put a Roadrunner hood on a Satellite or a cowl induction hood on a Malibu meant I liked the look. Not a 'clone' whatsoever. Just like if I put dual exhaust with cool factory tips, and the correct valance for it, was for a look that I liked not because I was cloning my rear end look. Fact is, when I was young, I didn't have the money to buy the real thing so I did what I could to get it to look closer to the real thing. I wasn't trying to impress anyone but myself.  Call it a clone or whatever...its just parts. Hell, if I ran into a good deal on a plain jane 72 Charger, I think I'd get rid of that long hood and put a bulge hood on it. And while I'm at it, spring for the machine gun tips and cutout rear valance. Wait, I'm doing this!

[Kern Dog]

Lol....the only reason to build a clone is to pass it off as something it isn't. Otherwise, why build it?

Building for performance was always cool.
Rebadging to impress people was never cool.

This your opinion, not a fact by any measure.
SOME people are secure enough in themselves that they do not care what others think...They wear what they want and build their car to make THEM happy, not to impress others. Clone cars offer a person the ability to own a desireable model at a much cheaper price even though the VIN tells the true identity. I do not "pass off" my car as a true R/T to anyone. If they were to ask me, I always tell the truth. The 500 model of my year did not have stripes, HD suspension, a 440, etc. The R/T badges/emblems just look better to me as well. I don't care if YOU or any other purist likes my car because nobody gave me money to build it their way. Every cent in my car was from my pocket. It is in no way perfect but it is the way that I like it and I will do with it as I want. I feel the same way toward the OP....Sure, a 225 1970 Charger is rare and unusual but it is also a waste to see such a beautiful car pushed around with such a non performance mill.

[VegasCharger]

.....I'd get rid of that long hood and put a bulge hood on it.

Power bulge hood is just as long.

My 2¢ 

[DanielRobert]

.....I'd get rid of that long hood and put a bulge hood on it.

Power bulge hood is just as long.

My 2¢ 

yes, just as long , but not flat!!

[69CoronetRT]

Lol....the only reason to build a clone is to pass it off as something it isn't. Otherwise, why build it?

Building for performance was always cool.
Rebadging to impress people was never cool.

This your opinion, not a fact by any measure.

Clone cars offer a person the ability to own a desireable model.....

Sure, a 225 1970 Charger is rare and unusual but it is also a waste to see such a beautiful car pushed around with such a non performance mill.

But they don't own a more desirable model. They own the same model with different decals......they know they own the same model with different decals. They want others to think it's a more desirable model. Why does a cool Satellite have to have RR decals to make it cool? What's wrong with a really nice 500? Why can't a Barracuda be as fast as a 'Cuda?

Why do people take it so personally when the obvious is pointed out? I'd rather someone just be honest and say that's why they did it not rationalize and justify it.

Different mindsets. I grew up with guys that wanted fast. They didn't GAS what the decals or emblems said. Fast was fast and that's what mattered; not a bird decal or R/T stripe. I watched Belvederes beat GTXs. Nobody cared it was a Belvedere. Everybody cared it was fast.

.....and that is your option, not a fact by any nature. I don't think it's a waste at all.

[Ghoste]

In any case, congratulations on buying the Charger ricoman.

[bakerhillpins]

That's a wonderful color combination!! White interior really goes well with that bronze.

[will]

I was shitting in my diapers when they built my car so I built what I wanted. If I put a stripe and badges on my car that's the way I would have ordered it, if I was able to. I have a plain jane 383 car, transforming it to what I want is my business. Not selling it, the kids argue about who's getting it when I croak. it's all for fun, I don't give one iota what anybody else's opinion is about it. My enjoyment trumps opinion.

[Alaskan_TA]

Just an FYI, but a 'clone' or 'cloning' has a legal meaning in the car world & it is not good.

If you are adding emblems, stripes, etc. then a better term to use would be 'replica'. 

An article on clones & cloning by the FBI at https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2009/march/cloning_032409

[Ghoste]

Good point Barry and I agree, replica is a much nicer way to put it anyway.

[alfaitalia]

Most "clones " on here are NOT vin cloned....they have their original doner car VIN.....cloning to pretend to be the real McCoy with a VIN off a destroyed Daytona or 'bird and maybe even being sold as real is a very different thing. And I'm willing to be there are more than a few members who own re-bodied cars they bought as the real thing. That said some non replica cars on here have had so much metal replaced they are virtually a clone of themselves!!

[74Rallye]

Now you have the best of both worlds, very rare and very desirable.

[Chad L. Magee]

Good to see another one that still exists....

I own one of the XH29C0Gs with the three on the tree manual in FE5/Black top/Charcoal interior combo.  It is totally complete (minus the vinyl top) but very rusty underneath.  There are likely only 15 to 20 of the XH29C0Gs left in any condition in my opinion.  TDC had only 5 of them registered back in 2004 when I registered mine with Wayne.  Most of the second gen /6 Chargers were either crushed or used as parts cars over time....

[DAY CLONA]

Lol....the only reason to build a clone is to pass it off as something it isn't. Otherwise, why build it?

Building for performance was always cool.
Rebadging to impress people was never cool.

You have somewhat of a point, re-badging is not "cool" when you put HEMI decals/emblems on your car and all you have is a 318 or 383 under the hood....

Building a clone for most is the desire to own a particular make/model optioned as they may have bought it new if given the chance, maybe some might enjoy looking for years/decades for the so-called "real" deal in the make/model and options of choice and paying a pretty penny either at the sale time, or after the restoration for a vehicle of pedigree, but for the clone builder it's about fulfilling that dream now, rather than later, or maybe never, the clone builder dosen't have to live with an undesirable color, or an automatic transmission when a 4 spd was desired, or a lack of options, or undesirable options for the sake of "preserving" a vehicles so-called pedigree whether for history or value

then there's the clone builder that builds an actual clone of a long lost or desired 1 of 1 vehicle that no amount of time or money will ever possess...

But in the grande scheme of all things automotive, be it an original or clone, rebody or replica A12, HEMI, 440/6, 383, 318, /6, R/T, SE, AAR, T/A, WO/RO, etc, etc, etc it's still production line trash from Detroit, a "factory" built form of conveyance or hotrod depending on how one looks at it, the degree of pedigree is in the mind of the owner

[DanielRobert]

People are really getting stuck on the "clone" word. As if it's some sort of diabolical attempt to fool the world. I've never seen it that way. It was a car that had some of the real deal parts on it. That's it. Nothing to prove . I never got the sense that the guy with the Satellite with the RR hood was thinking " look at these guys, they're all falling for it"  Who cares if the car is a Tempest with GTO stuff on it? Unless the GTO guy is mad that the 'clone' is getting all the attention?  And maybe looks just as good or better with a lower buy point than the real deal? The Tempests, Satellites, Barracudas,  etc are all cool, but if someone was going to add a few cooler parts(in their mind)? So be it.  I once bought a house that didn't have the 'Model' house options. I added them to my house as time went on cuz I liked some of the options . Did I clone it?  Did my neighbors hate me cuz I didn't have the real deal model? Shit, now I wonder.
FWIW I would have gravitated to a six cylinder 3 speed 70 Charger at a cruise nite, how neat! But if I owned it, I'd eventually change it. But thats just me.

[Chad L. Magee]

People are really getting stuck on the "clone" word. As if it's some sort of diabolical attempt to fool the world. I've never seen it that way. It was a car that had some of the real deal parts on it. That's it. Nothing to prove . I never got the sense that the guy with the Satellite with the RR hood was thinking " look at these guys, they're all falling for it"  Who cares if the car is a Tempest with GTO stuff on it? Unless the GTO guy is mad that the 'clone' is getting all the attention?  And maybe looks just as good or better with a lower buy point than the real deal? The Tempests, Satellites, Barracudas,  etc are all cool, but if someone was going to add a few cooler parts(in their mind)? So be it.  I once bought a house that didn't have the 'Model' house options. I added them to my house as time went on cuz I liked some of the options . Did I clone it?  Did my neighbors hate me cuz I didn't have the real deal model? Shit, now I wonder.
FWIW I would have gravitated to a six cylinder 3 speed 70 Charger at a cruise nite, how neat! But if I owned it, I'd eventually change it. But thats just me.

The catch about clones is that eventually the owner of the clone will have to hand the keys to a new owner someday.  That may be at death, a gift, an auction or a sale.  How the car gets represented in this process is the issue.  Some people would pass a clone off as something it was not to line their pockets with money that they do not deserve to have (ie. to sell it as a "real" version rather than what it is).  As long as the clone is always passed off as being a clone (and not what it is cloned as), I have no problem with it being a clone.  Some cars were just not produced in large enough numbers for everyone to have one of that particular type of car, no matter what budget they have to spend. 

Speaking of which: Ferrari is thinking of getting into the vintage Ferrari clone business, as some of their 1960's versions are pushing eight figures at auctions....

[Chad L. Magee]

You have somewhat of a point, re-badging is not "cool" when you put HEMI decals/emblems on your car and all you have is a 318 or 383 under the hood....

I had always thought it would be fun to make /6 call out decals on the hood of my 70 RT project and take off all of the RT badging/decals in the process.  Kinda the opposite of what you mentioned above.  Yes, that would make some  ...

[alfaitalia]

Speaking of which: Ferrari is thinking of getting into the vintage Ferrari clone business, as some of their 1960's versions are pushing eight figures at auctions....

Jaguar already do it....you can buy a replica of there light weight D type racer...straight from Jaguar. They use all original parts (some nos some remanufactured) and chassis and even the correct chassis numbers ...some being ones they missed and others carrying on from the number they left off from. They are so accurate they even qualify for classic racing...even though they are brand new!  Big money of course...not even street legal! Others they have either enough original parts for or the original moulds/jigs/casts for, will follow apparently.

[DAY CLONA]

But they don't own a more desirable model. They own the same model with different decals......they know they own the same model with different decals. They want others to think it's a more desirable model. Why does a cool Satellite have to have RR decals to make it cool? What's wrong with a really nice 500? Why can't a Barracuda be as fast as a 'Cuda?

I don't know if it's your close mindedness or narrow thinking? but your notion that an individual is trying to make others think his vehicle is more desirable might have some merit, but it would have to be assigned on an individual basis, knowing that was the individuals intent from the beginning... and not painting the entire group of "cloners" with your broad brush as such

I've been "cloning" vehicles since the 70's, it had nothing to do with budget, it pertained more to availability and desirability...

Personally I look at vehicles like art, I want what is attractive to my tastes, I don't care how or what a vehicle was created as initially, I'll mold it into my desire, some guys followed a different path in their automotive awareness whether it was their own doing, following the crowd, or instilled by family, or instilled by other sources, there's no right or wrong way to enjoy the hobby, just as there's no right or wrong way to own or build a vehicle... when I build a "clone/replica/1 of none) I build it for a customer or myself because that's what one desires, perhaps some have an ego to stroke, consciously or unconsciously, just as much as the individual who proclaims their vehicle numbers matching, original paint, or restored to OEM specs, original owner, yada, yada, yada there's different strokes for different folks thru out the hobby, some unfortunately have blinders and feed buckets attached only going in one direction, generally the way the crowd perceives or is directed...

[DAY CLONA]

Speaking of which: Ferrari is thinking of getting into the vintage Ferrari clone business, as some of their 1960's versions are pushing eight figures at auctions....

Jaguar already do it....you can buy a replica of there light weight D type racer...straight from Jaguar. They use all original parts (some nos some remanufactured) and chassis and even the correct chassis numbers ...some being ones they missed and others carrying on from the number they left off from. They are so accurate they even qualify for classic racing...even though they are brand new!  Big money of course...not even street legal! Others they have either enough original parts for or the original moulds/jigs/casts for, will follow apparently.

It's actually an all new vehicle built to early standards, each (only 6 made to date, and IIRC that's all you'll see produced) are pretty much spoken for and to select individuals at 1.5 Million English Pounds (2.1 mil USD) most of the vintage UK race tracks will not allow the vehicle race/track attendance regardless of their factory continuation/number assignment, beautiful cars though!...small team of factory individuals building each car, basically by hand

[AKcharger]

I have a '70 charger 500 with a '69 charger 500 stripe!

[tan top]

Much appreciated everyone!  I bought it as a clone knowing what I was getting into but I did not get the fender tag until 6 months after the purchase.  Once I saw it, I never saw a car like this.  That being said, value is in the eye of the beholder and right now the decision on this car was made long before I got it and there is no way I am taking it back to it.  I am glad this knowledge is now out there that goofy cars like this were made and some saw it to be the perfect clone candidate...
Thanks all.

hello & welcome   , what others say slant 6 charger a rare car    looks awesome now though   

[darbgnik]

I have a '70 charger 500 with a '69 charger 500 stripe!

I have a 70, with the tail panel blacked out, a-la 69....