Questions on a 1969 Charger R/T

[Bad B-rad]

On a 1969 Charger R/T, the Dana rear only came in 4 speed cars? or you could have a Dana 60 in an auto, if you ordered it that way?(extra cost?)
And also on an 69 Charger if you ordered an automatic R/T was it a column shifted, or console shifted?(like in 1966 all Chargers got the full length consoles, but it was an option on 67, so did the R/T get you a console in your car, or was that an extra cost item?)
Thanks.

[chargerbr549]

Dana 60 was an option with an auto trans it was the Super Performance Axle Package 4.10's (A32)

69 RT Chargers you could get it either way column or console shifted.

[6bblgt]

I agree ^

1969 was the first year the DANA 60 was an available OPTION with an automatic (& 4.10 ONLY) ~$240 with a HEMI & ~$270 with a 440HP

for 1969 Charger R/T 440HP & automatic (located on the column) was STANDARD, bucket seats were STANBDARD & a Center Arm Rest ("buddy seat") or console were OPTIONAL at $54.45

[Bad B-rad]

Ok cool, so if you had an automatic 69 R/T, and you ordered the dana 60, rear, 4.10 was the ratio you got, and that was that.

Were there any 69 R/T's that were sold with the "white hat special" sales/gimick/option package?

Lastly, if you had a big block & a 4 speed manual trans, you could NOT get air condistioning? (R/T or regular)is that correct?

[BLK 68 R/T]

No A/C with 440 or hemi 4 speed.

[moparfan53]

Ok cool, so if you had an automatic 69 R/T, and you ordered the dana 60, rear, 4.10 was the ratio you got, and that was that.

Were there any 69 R/T's that were sold with the "white hat special" sales/gimick/option package?

Lastly, if you had a big block & a 4 speed manual trans, you could NOT get air condistioning? (R/T or regular)is that correct?

As BLK said above, A/C not available with 440 4spd or Hemi. Also, A/C was not available with 383 2-bbl (4spd & auto), but was available with 383 4-bbl (4spd & auto).    

[moparfan53]

Hmmm... now I am not sure about info I posted above.   

I was researching more, and found the '69 price list does not agree with the '69 dealer data book. Price list makes no mention of 383 at all, but does say no A/C with 6 cyl std.

[Bad B-rad]

I thought it was no A/C on any Hemi, and no A/C on any  4-speed (big block), and years ago I was told this was because the A/C compressor could not handle sustained higher RPMs use that it may see with a Hemi engine, and if a manual was over revved.

I do not know how true it is, again just what I was told, I always kinda thought it sounded true enough, and I never had a reason to look into it any more then that.
It could just be one of those weird rumors, you hear and it is totaly false?
IDK?
But if it was because of the compressor not holding together at continued high RPM, why no A/C on the leaning tower of power(6cyl)?

I think another "rumor/ wives tale" I heard was something about the draw at idle, the A/C had, and something to do with the camshaft profile in the manual cars. (I remember something about the engine vacuum being in there)
Now let me say those are things I have heard, I am not trying to spread misinformation, and I am not tring to be a know it all, with the "inside scoop" that no one else has, I am just posting what I have heard, in an effort to get to the truth.

I am sure someone can disprove, or maybe prove some or all of the above statements, as I can not be the only one who has been told those were reasons why, regarding the no A/C issue.


   

   

[Troy]

Hmmm... now I am not sure about info I posted above.   

I was researching more, and found the '69 price list does not agree with the '69 dealer data book. Price list makes no mention of 383 at all, but does say no A/C with 6 cyl std.

Yeah, not sure about that one as the majority of 318 and 383 2V automatic cars likely came with A/C. Those were the cruisers and family cars - and also the highest production figures. I read that as - if you like mathematical notation- "((383 2V or 440) w/manual)". There seems to be a "hole" that allows some 383 4-speed with A/C but I only recall seeing some 68s.

Were there any 69 R/T's that were sold with the "white hat special" sales/gimick/option package?

Pretty sure there are a lot of them.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=81519.0

Troy

[Bad B-rad]

Did they(the white hat special cars) actually have a decal saying white hat special?
Besides the package of options the white hat got you, the ads say something about looking for the special sticker, to know that it is a white hat car.
I would take a GUESS the sticker would be a small one that got put in one of the back windows like the A/C cars (Air temp/Air Conditioning by Chrysler Corp) style/size?

I know that White hat cars were not rare, but I have never seen a white hat special decal of any kind in a car, so I was wondering if maybe there was no such sticker, and the "look for the sticker" part of the ad was ment to be the window sticker?   

[BLK 68 R/T]

Here is a much derailed thread discussing A/C and 4 speed.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,131388.msg1634249.html#msg1634249

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

No A41 WHS with the R/T package.  Dont remember if there was any documentation to support this but I have never had an XS car with the A41 option...

[6bblgt]

No A41 WHS with the R/T package.  Dont remember if there was any documentation to support this but I have never had an XS car with the A41 option...

I agree ^

[Bad B-rad]

Well that makes a lot of sense, because the customer who gets  swayed into buying a Charger because of the white hat special, option pack, is most likely not the same customer who would take the trip to the dealer to buy a Charger R/T.
The guy who goes to look at/ buy an R/T know what he wants before he even gets to the dealer.
And I bet the dealers would not want to risk getting stuck with a bunch of  "pre ordered"  R/T's with a bunch of options the avg R/T buyer would not really want to pay for.
Vs the guy that may buy a Charger, due to the extra options at a lower price, is probably looking for just very good looking transportation, not a bad ass street/strip car.

If no A41 R/T;s were built, I bet no  4 speed A41 were built, or very few.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Yes 4 speed with A41 available.   Had about 10 or so 383 4bbls in the Registry when I ran it.

[hemigeno]

No A41 WHS with the R/T package.  Dont remember if there was any documentation to support this but I have never had an XS car with the A41 option...

I agree ^

To me, there's little rhyme or reason to some of these restrictions, but here they are:

Available for XP29    (i.e. not on R/T)

RESTRICTIONS:
A04  Basic Radio Package - Charger
A47  Charger Special Edition Package
E74  Hemi Engine             (which could be ordered on XP29)
J01  Driver Training Decal
Y13  Dealer Demo


Supposedly, all other options - which didn't conflict with the above - would have been available.

[Bronzedodge]

My 69, 383 4 bbl, has the A41`code - Charger spring special.  Includes the light package, LH outside remote mirror, hood turn signal lights, woodgrain sports steering wheel, white or red sidewall tires, vinyl roof, and wheel covers.

[69CoronetRT]

Hmmm... now I am not sure about info I posted above.    

I was researching more, and found the '69 price list does not agree with the '69 dealer data book. Price list makes no mention of 383 at all, but does say no A/C with 6 cyl std.

Yeah, not sure about that one as the majority of 318 and 383 2V automatic cars likely came with A/C. Those were the cruisers and family cars - and also the highest production figures. I read that as - if you like mathematical notation- "((383 2V or 440) w/manual)". There seems to be a "hole" that allows some 383 4-speed with A/C but I only recall seeing some 68s.

383 four speed with A/C was available. They are just not common. In 69, they used the 330 horse 897 assembly. This set up would have been available in any 69 B body.

Agree. The 383-2 notation omits the manual (three speed) transmission with A/C but allows for 383-2 automatic with A/C.

[69CoronetRT]

Yes 4 speed with A41 available.   Had about 10 or so 383 4bbls in the Registry when I ran it.

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[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Thanks Doug!  Hows it going?

[69CoronetRT]

Thanks Doug!  Hows it going?

Feelin good, Lewis!