WHICH CHARGER WOULD YOU BUY & WHY

[RCCthatsme]

https://www.flemingsultimategarage.com/vehicles/2829/1969-dodge-charger-440-r-t-se-r-t-se





https://www.smokymountaintraders.com/cars-for-sale/353/1969-dodge-charger-rt

[RCCthatsme]

Challenger340 - I wrote you 5 or 6 PMS.... Not sure what is going on but they just wouldn't go through.  Would appreciate your insight. 

[6pkrtse]

Neither. way too rich for me..... I do like either one of them though.

[RCCthatsme]

Neither. way too rich for me..... I do like either one of them though.

That is the market today.   Both are about the same price, so the question is which has more value down the road and which do you find more aesthetically pleasing to the eye.   

The bottom car has A/C.  That is near certain an aftermarket add, so is then the controls.  However, it has the read quarter emblem, the power windows are an uncommon option and I do like the vinyl top.   For me, it sits nice on the road, but that is an easy change.  This is more about the best value for the $80K investment.

[moparstuart]

Red Stripe , with Redlines gets it for me   

[RECHRGD]

Well they're both nice cars.  Both have modifications, so the originality factor is gone.  If you want to spend that kind of money, just pick your favorite color tail stripe.  Just remember that these dealers bought those cars for substantially less than what they're asking price is.....

[Bad B-rad]

From the photos and the ads, and giving each a three min look, I think the bottom one may be a better driver, with the A/C, the 5 Speed!!! PW(I hate the engine bay, but that's just me, its all subjective)
So if you want to enjoy the car, on the road, maybe the bottom one.
I like it a touch more, the stripe, and the emblem, the wood grain look, P/W, A/C, Both look GREAT!!!!
But its a LOT of money to spend!!

[John_Kunkel]

 

The bottom car has A/C.  That is near certain an aftermarket add, so is then the controls. 

Text says " This Charger is a factory Air Conditioned car that has been upgraded to the 134A."

I'd go for the bottom one based on the A/C and the options.

[68X426]

It's a coin toss.  The A/C is just enough to sway me, but subjectively - I much prefer NO vinyl roof, so the first one.

[JB400]

If you buy the one with the white butt stripe, you might get a hug from the blonde.

[BIGBLCK11]

White stripe / bottom one.  Painted underbody wins over that undercoat job. A/C and 5 speed too!  Also, 80k and they don't post engine pics??      I like the stripe delete emblem, but it could be added. Just looks cleaner and they gave you better pics to see it.  The other doesn't look terrible by any means.  Both are too high, but at dealers in a tough market, as you said.

[Worker Bee]

The white striped Charger was originally A4 silver in case you didn't know........not that there's anything wrong with that. When it was converted to manual trans, they didn't upgrade to a Dana 60 rear axle.
The red striped Charger has the correct Hurst shifter and it's got a Dana 60. It could be an original 4sp car, but there's no photo of the tag to confirm.

If you are serious buyer, you should call Flemmings and see if they will sent you a photo of the fender tag.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

For 83 grand, I hope it comes with a weekend with her.

[1968Fever]

The top car sold at Mecum in January for $63K and was talked about in this forum.  After you read this short thread your question will probably be answered.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,131195.0.html

[RCCthatsme]

The top car sold at Mecum in January for $63K and was talked about in this forum.  After you read this short thread your question will probably be answered.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,131195.0.html

THANK YOU!     

Any insight on the bottom car?   


IF anyone has, or knows of, a 69 RT/SE for sale, please PM me.

Thanks

[RCCthatsme]

The hot chick Charger shows the color has been changed and the transmission is swapped out (auto to manual).  A bit surprised to see the A/C and power windows were part of the original order.  




XS29:
Dodge Charger
Special, R/T
2 Door Sports Hardtop

L9B: 440 375HP 1-4BBL 8 CYL
1969
Dodge Main, Hamtramck, MI, USA

231720:   Sequence number

E86:    440 cid 4 barrel V8 (High Performance) 375hp
D32:    Heavy Duty Automatic Transmission
A4:    Silver Metallic Exterior Color
CRX:    Trim - Charger, Leather Bucket Seats, Black
X9:    Black Int. Door Frames
C04:    Build Date: December 04
004393:   Order number

A01:    Unknown Top Color
A47:    Special Edition Package
B51:    Power Brakes
C21:    Center Front Seat Cushion
C55:    Bucket Seats
G11:    Tinted Glass (all)

G33:    LH Remote Racing Mirror
H51:    Air Conditioning with Heater
J25:    3 Speed Wipers
L31:    Hood/Fender Mounted Turn Signals
M21:    Roof drip rail moldings
M31:    Belt Moldings

P31:    Power Windows
R11:    Radio Solid State AM (2 Watts)
V1X:    Unknown
V88:    Tranverse Stripes, Deleted
26:    26in Radiator
26:    26in Radiator

[Challenger340]

I received the one pm on Feb 24th which I answered as below ?
and,
now I see one pm yesterday and two today ?

No matter,
I am NOT an expert by any means, and just as dumbfounded around pricing in this market as anyone, nonetheless, these are just my opinions.
Car #1 the Smokey Mountain Trader example.
https://www.smokymountaintraders.com/cars-for-sale/353/1969-dodge-charger-rt
It appears to be a very well done, and beautifully restored Car, no doubt about it.
That said,
if there is a "collectible" included to the price point relative of the R/T SE AO1/A47,  then I have concerns in validating that premium as it relates to being originally an A4 Silver Metallic, D32 Auto/Column Shift example ?
You can't "have your cake and eat it too" so to speak.... by saying it's an original "R/T SE" in justifying a price premium, without also duely noting the price retraction for being an Auto/Column Shift/Silver R/T SE redone Black/4spd/console ?
At which point....
whats the point ? versus say NOT paying the premium price for an very well done XS 383 Car "cloned" with a 4 gear and 440 into an "R/T" if DRIVING IT is the main satisfaction you seek in acquiring ?

Just say'in here, and IMO,
if I were selling my R/T SE, one of the first things many potential Buyers would KNOCK about it for a price reduction, I believe would be that mine is an Auto/Column Shift ?  Which would therein disqualify mine from those whose driving "preference" would want the 4 Spd Console and UN-original, and want to PAY for that ?
versus,
the "purists" who would want it 100% UN-touched and true to it's Fender Tag/B-Sheet and willing to pay for that originality.

[Challenger340]

 Car #2 at Flemings
https://www.flemingsultimategarage.com/vehicles/2829/1969-dodge-charger-440-r-t-se-r-t-se

I can't believe the price of these things.
Again here, just my opinions and I am NO EXPERT whatsoever !
Again, Nice looking Charger !  

I don't see a Fender Tag ? But they do mention it.
I don't see a B/Sheet, nor the mention of one ? other than "loaded with documentation".
Inspection of both the Fender Tag and B/Sheet, once again here, would seem in order to verify what you are paying for ? Collectible or Driving preference as it relates to ultimate asset valuation at resale(if ever).
Nonetheless, claims of A33 and A47 would seem to suggest legitimacy for inspection ?

My pet peeve as an Engine Builder.... any claims of #'s matching 440 Magnum 375hp, without specific documentation of just what PISTONS were used in the rebuild ! preferably on an actual INVOICE.
The 8qt Oil Pan and Headers mean squat, because the landscape is far too littered with SLUG 440's that can't get out of their own way no matter the "bolt-ons",  having been rebuilt/butchered to so-called "factory specs" with 230hp 1978 motorhome PISTONS... making the whole "Numbers Matching" L code Engine thing a moot point !
They don't say "Numbers matching" ? only 'L" Code 440

Re-sprung rear leafs ?
Might want to investigate because something funky to my mind with the ass end up like that ?
Body work appears funny in the photos ? and I don't SEE any marker lights in the 1/4 panels ? WTF ?
again here a personal inspection to tell for sure ?

[Challenger340]

If you are serious ?
Maybe you could try Car #1 at Smokey Mountain Traders for $65K to $70K
https://www.smokymountaintraders.com/cars-for-sale/353/1969-dodge-charger-rt

What can they say other than "NO" ? wherein you walk and can re-visit later.(for at least 1 week)

Bargaining chips to you believe yours is a fair offer
* it's been for sale for 3 months at $80K with no takers, which would tend to suggest a market over valuation.
* NON-Original to it's Fender Tag/B-Sheet R/T SE (Silver/Auto/Column)
* Std/Tremec + 8 3/4 Diff was a no-no from factory for a reason(tell them)
* Do they have an Invoice for the Engine rebuild and What PISTONS were used. (see my pet peeve above)

IMO, FAR better looking, and appears to be FAR better restored Car than the "red" stripe example(problems)

[Challenger340]

Neither. way too rich for me..... I do like either one of them though.

That is the market today.   Both are about the same price, so the question is which has more value down the road and which do you find more aesthetically pleasing to the eye.  

The bottom car has A/C.  That is near certain an aftermarket add, so is then the controls.  However, it has the read quarter emblem, the power windows are an uncommon option and I do like the vinyl top.   For me, it sits nice on the road, but that is an easy change.  This is more about the best value for the $80K investment.

IMO, your "best value for the $80K investment" from a strictly monetary perspective, has "historically" at resale been mostly about those examples as close to stock as possible ? Survivors or concourse pure restorations.
However of late....
and with the advent of RatRods, customs, etc., that are designed for DRIVING.... personal taste expectations have narrowed those price premiums paid for the numbers thing.

[moparfan53]

 Both nice cars. Minor thing I noticed on the bottom one. The tail lights have incorrect appearance. The silver paint line in the middle of the lens is missing. Either it wore off, which I have seen happen but not the full width of lens, or it was removed on purpose, or the lenses are from  '70 model.

Also, I assume you know the R/T emblem with the stripe is not correct. I see that done sometimes, is a personal taste thing I guess.

IMO, red lines would look great on the bottom car. The red on the tire with the black paint and red in the R/T emblem... 

[cdr]

The Top one has the wrong parking lights in the front.

[moparfan53]

The Top one has the wrong parking lights in the front.

At first glance I thought perhaps they looked amber because the lights were on. But after looking closer I agree. Looks like they are from a '70 Charger.

[6pkrtse]

For 83 grand, I hope it comes with a weekend with her.

The blonde next to this one is incredible. Wow! my red Charger doesn't attract hotties like this. Must be a black thing.

[gtx6970]

For 80K, Neither.
Id'  keep looking

now way in he77 either one of them is worth that kind of money ( my opinion only )