unrestored Black 69 charger R/T

[1970Moparmann]

"Does have some surface rust beginning to bubble in a few spots"

Check out the hole on the drivers side!   Wow, $70k.....

[rarefish]

I really got excited when I first saw the pics of this car on ebay, but after reading what was posted here and now looking more carefully at the photos. I'm now seeing a much different car that I first thought.
I wonder how many more surprises await a new owner?

[Kern Dog]

Dana Axles in B bodies only came in 2 ratios. 3.54 and 4.10. The Window sticker (Repro or original ?) Lists a 3.55 axle ratio, a number exclusive to the 8.75 axle. Was that a mistake by the factory or in a repro effort ?

(Edited...I mistakenly wrote 3.55 and 4.10)

[cdr]

Dana Axles in B bodies only came in 2 ratios. 3.55 and 4.10. The Window sticker (Repro or original ?) Lists a 3.55 axle ratio, a number exclusive to the 8.75 axle. Was that a mistake by the factory or in a repro effort ?

3.54 & 4.10 for the Dana

[Kern Dog]

I screwed that up. I edited it for correction. I meant that the Dana never came with a 3.55 ratio yet the window sticker lists a 3.55 ratio.

[XS29LA47V21]

It will be interesting to see what it brings. Would love to look at the car in person.

I agree completely.  Love looking at charger pics and in person.....  I think I see a very original car partially in there, but really not as original as presented.  Options put in a holly grail great optioned car for many, including me assuming all number and paperwork.  The fender tag looks nice and original to me.  But holly crap that has some rust in places a ton a Charger do not, which really has me questioning many other areas.  The stripe has zero cracks, at least in photo.  imo option, to have no cracks in a stripe would be completely crazy nice original.... which I personal have never seen.  

Here let me share couple photos of my truly original paint B5 RT 4spd in perspective.  To not have certain wear in places, even small dings and cracked strip would be really an amazing car.  I am sure they exist somewhere out there.  Not unlike that A4 RT I personally think it is a repaint too, maybe early on, but we (I) are not seeing them in person.  

Besides, holly badman Robin, I think at least today I would take less than this cars 65 price for mine, lol...

Couple of original wear photos for perspective...  Thin paint on hood scallop and old stripe...

[Kern Dog]

MMmmmmm...B-5 Blue ! Me Likeee !!

[70B5Cuda]

With front fender rust like that, you would expect the rest of the car to look much worse. It must have had some early trapped debris that was never removed.

What surprises me is the lack of door dings down the sides. I have a survivor 69 Charger and I swear that thing must have been parked in a mall parking lot all it's life....tons of door dings. 

[F8-4life]

Wow that B5 Rt is something else, would love to own a car like that.
I like seeing the cracking on an original stripe, very cool and legit.

[Challenger340]

Shill Bidder upped by $100.

[INTMD8]

Wow that B5 Rt is something else, would love to own a car like that.
I like seeing the cracking on an original stripe, very cool and legit.

Agreed, that car is awesome 

[70 sublime]

Original paint, unrestored, SURVIVOR!
'69 Charger RT, 440, 4spd, dana, factory black, white interior, original paint, unrestored, purchased from original owners in Nebraska, who had the car until 2012.
74k original miles, matching numbers motor, drive-train never out of car; runs great, drives straight, has all of its original parts; original paint, original vinyl top; interior is completely original (seat covers, carpet, headliner, dash, door panels, etc); all original sheet metal and body panels, solid trunk with original spare and jack; original tag, original window sticker, remnants of a build sheet; phenomenal car! Does have some surface rust beginning to bubble in a few spots, which is typical for an UNRESTORED car. Very solid in every respect! I am happy to provide more detailed pics to those that are genuinely interested. Don't wait! You will never find another 69 RT like this!

When its gone... its GONE

Further details: 512-348-0011  or  bpj@mindspring.com

I am down-sizing my collection and have several other rare Mopars FOR SALE!!
On Feb-09-18 at 12:59:51 PST, seller added the following information:
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For some reason the "Buy It Now" option is not being displayed in this ad, but.....
FIRST 70k BUYS this car!!!

[lukedukem]

I wonder what the floor pans look like? I'm betting on more "bubbles".

And under that vinyl top too.

Luke

[XS29LA47V21]

Wow that B5 Rt is something else, would love to own a car like that.
I like seeing the cracking on an original stripe, very cool and legit.

Agreed, that car is awesome 

Thank you all.  Yes a time capsule should look it..... 

Mine has plenty of small dings, road rash behind wheels and wear where you would expect it, like feet dragging to bar at door sill and hit door below window crank.  I think it is unreasonable that in almost 50 years that something will not happen.  My 2-1/2 year old car that has 37,000 miles has likely been between two other cars less than 20 times ever, is always parked in Egypt or have great spot at work.... no door dings, zero.. not a mark... but has 3-6 chips already along the hood and 11 yr old son light scratch into the trunk.  It just happens, unless it is a 600 mile 1966 Ferrari or something.   Most of the adds I have seen for survivor Chargers seem to really need to be looked at in person and the photos are just to generic to show the originality or how great maybe it is.  But there are so, so, so few original paint cars out there in muscle cars with any motor combo. 

Honestly I enjoy the seeing the antique car it is and really wonder what the stories are on the larger dings on mine before me. Yes, I have added one too.  They also show how sloppy the factory was with things which restorations often miss. 

[70 sublime]

Car is relisted again with a buy it now price of $72 500

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1969 Dodge Charger RT, 440, 4spd, Black/wht, Survivor
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[Mytur Binsdirti]

Pa-lease. he's asking restored money for something that needs to be restored.   

[6pkrtse]

She is rough but complete. I like it. One of my favorite combos right there but not worthy of 65+ in my opinion.

[Challenger340]

  Problem with bashing his price is, IMO, find another factory X9 / X9 UN-restored in the same condition to compare pricing with ?

Mine is UN-restored as well but in far better condition with none of the "goofy" rust issues that one has, albeit, that one is a far more desirable 4 spd, versus ours is just a column shift but an R/T SE, nonetheless, I wouldn't sell ours for any less than $65K.
I will be interested to see what it actually sells for ?
if it Sells ?

[INTMD8]

Problem with bashing his price is, IMO, find another factory X9 / X9 UN-restored in the same condition to compare pricing with ?

Mine is UN-restored as well but in far better condition with none of the "goofy" rust issues that one has, albeit, that one is a far more desirable 4 spd, versus ours is just a column shift but an R/T SE, nonetheless, I wouldn't sell ours for any less than $65K.
I will be interested to see what it actually sells for ?
if it Sells ?

The condition is really the problem though. A car like the one owned by XS29LA47V21, absolutely would not restore it and would be proud to drive it as-is.

The ebay car however, I could not drive something around with major rust holes in every panel.  Too far gone to leave unrestored.

Sure it's a plus that it's rare and complete but if all originality will be lost to a restoration I can't see paying a premium for "survivor" status.

[Challenger340]

Problem with bashing his price is, IMO, find another factory X9 / X9 UN-restored in the same condition to compare pricing with ?

Mine is UN-restored as well but in far better condition with none of the "goofy" rust issues that one has, albeit, that one is a far more desirable 4 spd, versus ours is just a column shift but an R/T SE, nonetheless, I wouldn't sell ours for any less than $65K.
I will be interested to see what it actually sells for ?
if it Sells ?

The condition is really the problem though. A car like the one owned by XS29LA47V21, absolutely would not restore it and would be proud to drive it as-is.

The ebay car however, I could not drive something around with major rust holes in every panel.  Too far gone to leave unrestored.

Sure it's a plus that it's rare and complete but if all originality will be lost to a restoration I can't see paying a premium for "survivor" status.

One would have to inspect the Car up close here obviously ?
but I am NOT 100% sure from what I am seeing, that the repairs couldn't be performed properly without a complete restoration ? and retain much of the originality.
May be not ? I dunno here.

Ours was repainted back in the early 80's, an exterior only repaint with minor fixups.  
Nothing obviously to the same extent of the Ebay Car, but still, if it's otherwise in good shape the potential may be there ?

[INTMD8]

I would not need to inspect it up close here (obviously??)

I guess someone could try to patch up all the holes and paint it. Now you have new exterior paint and a weathered interior. 

Probably would be better to hang new 1/4s on it so now the vinyl roof is coming off too.

So it ends up half restored and half original. I'll stand by my statement that it doesn't warrant paying a premium for survivor status based on the amount of work it needs.

If one of you guys wants to drop 65k+ on it or whatever they need and then begin repairs I think that would be great, just not something I would do.

[JB400]

I remember seeing a car like this one up in Harrisonville, Mo about 20 years ago.  I wonder if it's the same car.

[RCCthatsme]

What is your definition of "unrestored"

[Challenger340]

What is your definition of "unrestored"

I guess that depends on your definition of "restored" ? and opinions will vary as they should.

But IMO,  if you have a Car that's had an exterior repaint only, nothing else touched, modified, or rebuilt en masse at once, other than normal periodic maintenance over it's history as req'd like tune ups, belts, hoses, brake linings, Original Un-rebuilt Engine/Trans, Exhaust System still factory original, that again here IMO, would tend to be best described as an UNrestored example....
versus,
what is more commonly seen and described today as "restored", where not only has the Engine/Trans usually been removed/rebuilt, but most all other parts also replaced or rebuilt, with many body panels replaced up to and including a complete rotisserie job, and pretty much all that work occurring in a concurrent/simultaneous time period in it's history.

I don't believe anyone can quantify or dictate for anyone else the correct use of "restored" versus "UN-restored" when describing an entire Car, other than as an initial description for expectations that much of the car is still untouched and factory original ?

[alfaitalia]

I agree with most of that.....but if it's had a complete exterior repaint, rather then just touch up or perhaps crash damage repair...then is not unrestored. Just my 2 pence worth.