VIN Help on potential purchase

[rydog1130]

The last time I bought and out of state car I called the police department and an officer came out and looked at the VIN on the dash panel while comparing the VIN on the title. The numbers matched, he signed a form which I took to the BMV and they issued me an Indiana title.  The numbers stamped on the radiator support and trunk lip are of no consequence in Indiana.

Benji

I feel like the same goes here in Michigan. Hell the Secretary of State doesn't even do a vehicle inspection in Michigan. I feel ok about this and that's why I decided to buy it. The body needs minimal work, everything you would need to get the car back together is there minus the bucket seats, motor and trans. I feel like even if I had to part it out I'd still be way ahead for the price I picked it up for. I'll have some pics up later this coming week!

[Alaskan_TA]

The last time I bought and out of state car I called the police department and an officer came out and looked at the VIN on the dash panel while comparing the VIN on the title. The numbers matched, he signed a form which I took to the BMV and they issued me an Indiana title.  The numbers stamped on the radiator support and trunk lip are of no consequence in Indiana.

Benji

I feel like the same goes here in Michigan. Hell the Secretary of State doesn’t even do a vehicle inspection in Michigan. I feel ok about this and that’s why I decided to buy it. The body needs minimal work, everything you would need to get the car back together is there minus the bucket seats, motor and trans. I feel like even if I had to part it out I’d still be way ahead for the price I picked it up for. I’ll have some pics up later this coming week!

Well, you did mention the details in a public forum.

The title VIN does not match the the stampings. The dash that he has for it is obviously out of a 69. The fender tag is gone. The stamping reads G8X184551 and the title reads XP29F8B392371 I’m pretty sure this isn’t the correct title for this vehicle as the B in the title vin designates it as Hamtramck plant and G on the body stamp or VON designates it as St. Louis does this seam to be an accurate assumption? Is there any way to contact Chrysler or other company and get the correct VIN code based off of the VON ?  From what I gathered on VON it’s basically a partial VIN

In my case X?29?8G184551 does that seem right?

So at least the information posted can be checked online by any potential purchaser in the future & law enforcement too.

It is also a felony to insure a car without a legal VIN.

[ACUDANUT]

 I would only buy the car if it passes inspection for your state and you get a title.  It's not a Felony if your state issues you a title (they be could correct or not) It's on them, not you.

[69CoronetRT]

I would only buy the car if it passes inspection for your state and you get a title.  It's not a Felony if your state issues you a title (they be could correct or not) It's on them, not you.

What would be my cost to defend that argument in court?
What's my legal position?

Is it worth it?

[cdr]

I would only buy the car if it passes inspection for your state and you get a title.  It's not a Felony if your state issues you a title (they be could correct or not) It's on them, not you.

What would be my cost to defend that argument in court?
What's my legal position?

Is it worth it?

SO TRUE !!!!  Don't forget  " I'm from the goverment & here to help you "  LMBO!!!!

[ACUDANUT]

I would only buy the car if it passes inspection for your state and you get a title.  It's not a Felony if your state issues you a title (they be could correct or not) It's on them, not you.

What would be my cost to defend that argument in court?
What's my legal position?

Is it worth it?

Why would it cost you anything, if the State issued you a Title.   You are free from any such Legal arguments.  Title in hand is a winner, PERIOD.

[6bblgt]

a state issued title is NOT the end of the line bullet-proof excuse, if obtained under false pretense .....

"Obtaining property by false pretenses is the obtaining of property by intentionally misrepresenting a past or existing fact."

a number of well known collectors (w/o knowledge of its "stolen" status) had state issued title to this V-code R/T ..... FBI seized it 

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2127196/1.html

[69CoronetRT]

I would only buy the car if it passes inspection for your state and you get a title.  It's not a Felony if your state issues you a title (they be could correct or not) It's on them, not you.

What would be my cost to defend that argument in court?
What's my legal position?

Is it worth it?

Why would it cost you anything, if the State issued you a Title.   You are free from any such Legal arguments.  Title in hand is a winner, PERIOD.

Please tell me you're not that naive...

The Feds don't GAS about some state flunky issuing a bad title.
Defending your position, right or wrong, will cost money and time.
Plus you'd likely lose the car too.

Save the cost, time and heartburn on the backend. Buy a legit car upfront.

[BDF]

Déjà vu?
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,127599.0.html

[Dukeboy1965]

1968 Charger example of numbers matching.

[Benji]

If you have a VIN for a 1968 Charger on the dash panel and the dash panel is in the car but you have no title for it, Broadway Title can provide you with the paperwork you need to get a legitimate title in your state provided the car is not currently titled, is not stolen and is not a kit car. You can ask the BMV in your state to run the VIN for you to see if the car is reported stolen. In Indiana a police officer can also check it for you. 

To you guys who think the FBI, CIA, Scotland Yard, Interpol, Mossad, the KGB, or Homeland Security is foaming at the mouth and have the owner on 24-7 security watch with their guns drawn just waiting for this guy to attempt to title this car so they can arrest him and throw him in prison for 50 years because the core support and trunk lip numbers don't match, they have better things to do with their time and they don't care.  This car is a Dodge Charger with a 318 engine.  This car is one of 96,100 Chargers that Dodge built in 1968 and sold for about $3800.00 new. This car is not an RT, it doesn't have a hemi engine, it is not rare or extremely sought after collector car that some movie star owned at one point so no collector is going to camp on the sidewalk in front of this guys home when he advertises it for sale so he can beat the other 1,000,000 people wanting to buy it.

Benji

[Dukeboy1965]

If you have a VIN for a 1968 Charger on the dash panel and the dash panel is in the car but you have no title for it, Broadway Title can provide you with the paperwork you need to get a legitimate title in your state provided the car is not currently titled, is not stolen and is not a kit car. You can ask the BMV in your state to run the VIN for you to see if the car is reported stolen. In Indiana a police officer can also check it for you. 

To you guys who think the FBI, CIA, Scotland Yard, Interpol, Mossad, the KGB, or Homeland Security is foaming at the mouth and have the owner on 24-7 security watch with their guns drawn just waiting for this guy to attempt to title this car so they can arrest him and throw him in prison for 50 years because the core support and trunk lip numbers don't match, they have better things to do with their time and they don't care.  This car is a Dodge Charger with a 318 engine.  This car is one of 96,100 Chargers that Dodge built in 1968 and sold for about $3800.00 new. This car is not an RT, it doesn't have a hemi engine, it is not rare or extremely sought after collector car that some movie star owned at one point so no collector is going to camp on the sidewalk in front of this guys home when he advertises it for sale so he can beat the other 1,000,000 people wanting to buy it.

Benji

Exactly!

[Alaskan_TA]

If you have a VIN for a 1968 Charger on the dash panel and the dash panel is in the car but you have no title for it, Broadway Title can provide you with the paperwork you need to get a legitimate title in your state provided the car is not currently titled, is not stolen and is not a kit car. You can ask the BMV in your state to run the VIN for you to see if the car is reported stolen. In Indiana a police officer can also check it for you. 

To you guys who think the FBI, CIA, Scotland Yard, Interpol, Mossad, the KGB, or Homeland Security is foaming at the mouth and have the owner on 24-7 security watch with their guns drawn just waiting for this guy to attempt to title this car so they can arrest him and throw him in prison for 50 years because the core support and trunk lip numbers don't match, they have better things to do with their time and they don't care.  This car is a Dodge Charger with a 318 engine.  This car is one of 96,100 Chargers that Dodge built in 1968 and sold for about $3800.00 new. This car is not an RT, it doesn't have a hemi engine, it is not rare or extremely sought after collector car that some movie star owned at one point so no collector is going to camp on the sidewalk in front of this guys home when he advertises it for sale so he can beat the other 1,000,000 people wanting to buy it.

Benji

Well, again, they do care - even about 318 cars. A felony is a felony, engine CID matters not.

A case from a few years ago in a nutshell;

1968 Barracuda on Craigslist in California with a 1969 VIN. It was obvious from the photos that the actual car was a '68 & the full 1969 VIN was shown. The car & VIN indicated 318 cars, just different years.

The California branch of the NICB noitfied the California Highway Patrol & a VIN check was made. The 1969 title & VIN tag were seized & the seller was given a form to fill out to apply for a CA state issued VIN since the '68 body was not a known stolen car.

Never, ever assume that no one cares.

[rydog1130]

If you have a VIN for a 1968 Charger on the dash panel and the dash panel is in the car but you have no title for it, Broadway Title can provide you with the paperwork you need to get a legitimate title in your state provided the car is not currently titled, is not stolen and is not a kit car. You can ask the BMV in your state to run the VIN for you to see if the car is reported stolen. In Indiana a police officer can also check it for you. 

To you guys who think the FBI, CIA, Scotland Yard, Interpol, Mossad, the KGB, or Homeland Security is foaming at the mouth and have the owner on 24-7 security watch with their guns drawn just waiting for this guy to attempt to title this car so they can arrest him and throw him in prison for 50 years because the core support and trunk lip numbers don't match, they have better things to do with their time and they don't care.  This car is a Dodge Charger with a 318 engine.  This car is one of 96,100 Chargers that Dodge built in 1968 and sold for about $3800.00 new. This car is not an RT, it doesn't have a hemi engine, it is not rare or extremely sought after collector car that some movie star owned at one point so no collector is going to camp on the sidewalk in front of this guys home when he advertises it for sale so he can beat the other 1,000,000 people wanting to buy it.

Benji

Well, again, they do care - even about 318 cars. A felony is a felony, engine CID matters not.

A case from a few years ago in a nutshell;

1968 Barracuda on Craigslist in California with a 1969 VIN. It was obvious from the photos that the actual car was a '68 & the full 1969 VIN was shown. The car & VIN indicated 318 cars, just different years.

The California branch of the NICB noitfied the California Highway Patrol & a VIN check was made. The 1969 title & VIN tag were seized & the seller was given a form to fill out to apply for a CA state issued VIN since the '68 body was not a known stolen car.

Never, ever assume that no one cares.

Ok so just to clarify originally he had a 69 dash but has since found a 68 dash that matches the car Plus has the 68 parts car that the title belongs too. I think from a legal stand point I have my bases covered!!! Thanks for all the great info!!!

[6bblgt]

so, what is the VIN that matches the G8X 184551 body?

[68X426]

so, what is the VIN that matches the G8X 184551 body?

It's an FBI case.

[Benji]

"The California branch of the NICB notified the California Highway Patrol & a VIN check was made. The 1969 title & VIN tag were seized & the seller was given a form to fill out to apply for a CA state issued VIN since the '68 body was not a known stolen car."

So did he fill the form out while in prison doing hard time breaking rocks in the hot sun since this was a felony?  Or did he fill in the form in the comfort of his air conditioned home, while drinking a beer with his wife sitting beside him and then submit it to the state where they issued him a VIN and title all for about $25.00.  I suspect the latter.  So much for the "felony."  In order to prove this man committed a felony the state must have to prove his felonious intent to defraud someone. This guy was a victim of someone swapping parts to fix a wrecked Barracuda and the state recognized it as such.

Benji

[rydog1130]

so, what is the VIN that matches the G8X 184551 body?

The Dash tag and title match the parts car that he has to go along with the other body that's in better condition.

[Daytona R/T SE]

so, what is the VIN that matches the G8X 184551 body?

The Dash tag and title match the parts car that he has to go along with the other body that's in better condition.

So... you intend to do a rebody ? 

[69CoronetRT]

"The California branch of the NICB notified the California Highway Patrol & a VIN check was made. The 1969 title & VIN tag were seized & the seller was given a form to fill out to apply for a CA state issued VIN since the '68 body was not a known stolen car."

So did he fill the form out while in prison doing hard time breaking rocks in the hot sun since this was a felony?  Or did he fill in the form in the comfort of his air conditioned home, while drinking a beer with his wife sitting beside him and then submit it to the state where they issued him a VIN and title all for about $25.00.  I suspect the latter.  So much for the "felony."  In order to prove this man committed a felony the state must have to prove his felonious intent to defraud someone. This guy was a victim of someone swapping parts to fix a wrecked Barracuda and the state recognized it as such.

Benji

1) nice Bobby Fuller Four reference. Good one.
2) it was still unnecessary time and money and BS spent trying to correct the problem. If he didn't do the swap, then someone else wasted his time and money.

[rydog1130]

so, what is the VIN that matches the G8X 184551 body?

The Dash tag and title match the parts car that he has to go along with the other body that's in better condition.

So... you intend to do a rebody ? 

I guess if that's what it'll take to make it legit

[Alaskan_TA]

so, what is the VIN that matches the G8X 184551 body?

The Dash tag and title match the parts car that he has to go along with the other body that's in better condition.

So... you intend to do a rebody ?  

I guess if that's what it'll take to make it legit

Legit would be to apply for a state issued VIN for the body you have.

Doing a second VIN swap to an already VIN swapped car is just asking for trouble.

But no doubt some fool will try to talk you into it. If so, ignore it.

Just go to your local DMV / BMV & get the form you need to apply for a state issued VIN.

[Daytona R/T SE]

so, what is the VIN that matches the G8X 184551 body?

The Dash tag and title match the parts car that he has to go along with the other body that's in better condition.

So... you intend to do a rebody ?  

I guess if that's what it'll take to make it legit

I'd walk away from this hunk of shit and go look for a better car.

[rydog1130]

Here are some more photos of the car....

[rydog1130]

finally figured out how to upload pics on here....had to change the file names on them completely....as you can see parts galore ...so if things don't work out w/ the dmv i'll still come out on top if I decide to part it out. Theres 3 extra doors that are in decent shape, some minor rot in the corners and edge where they meet the quarter but nothing un repairable. The drip edge or gutters on them are in great shape.  What would a door like that go for?