Over-filled AC solution.

[fizz]

DO OUR PART?  Wasn't it BP who dumped the largest oil spill in the Gulf. And our people took care of it. I didn't hear of an army of Brits cleaning those beaches.
Not to speak of keeping you folks from having to learn German. Twice.

[alfaitalia]

Lol....you only rocked up for those wars at the last minute when you thought it might affect you guys directly..as usual....would you really have got involved if Pearl Harbor had not been bombed...I doubt. I think we've more than paid that back since with the amount of US led wars we've helped out in. But that's completely off the point and don't see the connection. The point I was making was doing your part for the environment and  that the cheap cost of fuel over there did not encourage people to buy cars that kick out less pollution. Over here we don't all drive small engined gas cars or diesels because we are all tree hugging environmentalists...it's because most of us can't afford otherwise. Petrol (ok gas!) is about $7 a gallon at the moment......a couple of years ago it was about $10. Now you are not saying that if you had to pay that it would not affect your choice of car? I see you guys largely running big thirsty cars and the Chinese polluting the world and think fuck it...me running a Charger a few miles a year and not sorting my recycling as well as I should is going to make no difference. However if the U.S.A. cleans up it's act, signs a few global emissions treaties (and actually sticks to them) and China follows suit then the rest of the world will sit up and take notice and we might get somewhere...not much the little old UK can do on its own especially as we are about to lose any influence in Europe too.
Anyway I'm off to the garden to burn some tyres and start a forest fire. I'm no fan of the tree hugging lot...but I don't like giving then ammunition to try and impose more silly laws either.

[fizz]

Cheaper here cause we got it here. Simple economics. We were headed same place till the Bakken expanded.

[cdr]

Lol....you only rocked up for those wars at the last minute when you thought it might affect you guys directly..as usual....would you really have got involved if Pearl Harbor had not been bombed...I doubt. I think we've more than paid that back since with the amount of US led wars we've helped out in. But that's completely off the point and don't see the connection. The point I was making was doing your part for the environment and  that the cheap cost of fuel over there did not encourage people to buy cars that kick out less pollution. Over here we don't all drive small engined gas cars or diesels because we are all tree hugging environmentalists...it's because most of us can't afford otherwise. Petrol (ok gas!) is about $7 a gallon at the moment......a couple of years ago it was about $10. Now you are not saying that if you had to pay that it would not affect your choice of car? I see you guys largely running big thirsty cars and the Chinese polluting the world and think fuck it...me running a Charger a few miles a year and not sorting my recycling as well as I should is going to make no difference. However if the U.S.A. cleans up it's act, signs a few global emissions treaties (and actually sticks to them) and China follows suit then the rest of the world will sit up and take notice and we might get somewhere...not much the little old UK can do on its own especially as we are about to lose any influence in Europe too.
Anyway I'm off to the garden to burn some tyres and start a forest fire. I'm no fan of the tree hugging lot...but I don't like giving then ammunition to try and impose more silly laws either.

I will say it again but this time I will spell it out,,,,, FUCK YOU!!! ,,,,, 

[69wannabe]

Lol....you only rocked up for those wars at the last minute when you thought it might affect you guys directly..as usual....would you really have got involved if Pearl Harbor had not been bombed...I doubt. I think we've more than paid that back since with the amount of US led wars we've helped out in. But that's completely off the point and don't see the connection. The point I was making was doing your part for the environment and  that the cheap cost of fuel over there did not encourage people to buy cars that kick out less pollution. Over here we don't all drive small engined gas cars or diesels because we are all tree hugging environmentalists...it's because most of us can't afford otherwise. Petrol (ok gas!) is about $7 a gallon at the moment......a couple of years ago it was about $10. Now you are not saying that if you had to pay that it would not affect your choice of car? I see you guys largely running big thirsty cars and the Chinese polluting the world and think fuck it...me running a Charger a few miles a year and not sorting my recycling as well as I should is going to make no difference. However if the U.S.A. cleans up it's act, signs a few global emissions treaties (and actually sticks to them) and China follows suit then the rest of the world will sit up and take notice and we might get somewhere...not much the little old UK can do on its own especially as we are about to lose any influence in Europe too.
Anyway I'm off to the garden to burn some tyres and start a forest fire. I'm no fan of the tree hugging lot...but I don't like giving then ammunition to try and impose more silly laws either.

I will say it again but this time I will spell it out,,,,, FUCK YOU!!! ,,,,, 

Well said!!!!!

[lloyd3]

cdr: A bit harsh, don't you think?

alfaitalia: I'm not surprised that we have a different world view on a few things.  We are clearly spoiled by our circumstances here, economic and otherwise.  I would point out that a fair amount of blood (American and others, of course) was spilled to get us to this point.  My recently departed father was a WWII vet (8th Air Force, B-17s) so I am somewhat invested in that history.  From what I know of world history, American does (very much!) tend to wait-out events in other parts of the world before she gets involved.  Having big oceans as borders has allowed that option until fairly recently, and in many ways it still does. We do not apologize (at least, not at the moment) for exercising our own self-interest. The UK certainly doesn't.  I saw that article today about the end of diesel and gasoline cars in your country by 2040. My response was, as usual, we'll see. A lot has to happen first.  In this country, we don't tend to surrender our freedoms without a fight (politically first and then physically, if needed). Because of our 2nd Amendment, that isn't an idle threat and our politicians know it. Clearly, this country is badly polarized at the moment, with stronger than what would be normal feelings on many subjects (possibly affecting the tone of this conversation?), the environment being one of them.  In my experience, environmentalists are really just socialists with a hidden agenda, so many otherwise good arguments are now badly tainted with that history.

Drive your car and enjoy it for what it really is...a free expression of your individual tastes for as long as you can. I sincerely hope that isn't going to change anytime soon.

[cdr]

cdr: A bit harsh, don't you think?

alfaitalia: I'm not surprised that we have a different world view on a few things.  We are clearly spoiled by our circumstances here, economic and otherwise.  I would point out that a fair amount of blood (American and others, of course) was spilled to get us to this point.  My recently departed father was a WWII vet (8th Air Force, B-17s) so am somewhat invested in that history.  From what I know of world history, American does (very much!) tend to wait-out events in other parts of the world before she gets involved.  Having big oceans as borders has allowed that option until fairly recently, and in many ways it still does. We do not apologize (at least, not at the moment) for exercising our own self-interest. The UK certainly doesn't.  I saw that article today about the end of diesel and gasoline cars in your country by 2040. My response was, as usual, we'll see. A lot has to happen first.  In this country, we don't tend to surrender our freedoms without a fight (politically first and then physically, if needed).  Clearly, this country is badly polarized at the moment, with stronger than what would be normal feelings on many subjects (possibly affecting the tone of this conversation?), the environment being one of them.  In my experience, environmentalist are really just socialists with an agenda, so many otherwise good arguments are now badly tainted with that history.

Drive your car and enjoy it for what it really is...a free expression of your individual tastes for as long as you can. I sincerely hope that isn't going to change anytime soon.

No, he has a history of slamming America , I will not take it, MANY Americans have given their lives so we can live a decent life & I am grateful & proud to be an American, the libtard socialist mouthpiece can  FO

[alfaitalia]

Well it's great that people can have a point of view and post them freely...and I have full respect for all your points of view...pity it does not seem to work the other way around but never mind. I dont have a history of slamming the U.S. as far I'm aware.....unless you see having an opinion different to yours as slamming you. Seeing things from a different point of view is a good thing as far as I'm concerned....and the more view points you get from differing places the more you might understand why folks say and act like they do. The one thing I'm not going to stand for us been called a socialist...nothing could be further from the truth. The socialist party here (known as the Labour party if you don't know your UK politics....and I freely admit to struggling to understand your system!) want to ruin this country with socialist nonsense and over jealous environmental policies...none of which I support....but that does not mean I don't care about the planet my eight year old will inherit. I've been a Conservative Party supporter my whole adult life (as are most here in the (slightly!) richer South) so thats moderate right wing capitalist politics and about as far anti socialist as you get without joining some fringe right wing group. Your country was born on freedom of speech...which appears to be fine until you hear something you don't agree with! What's funny is whenever I make a political or gun based comment I get slated on here and get no support....but I always get a pm or two from US members agreeing with me....funny how they are not brave enough to post though...but looking at the replies I'm getting I can sort of understand! I'll leave you to it gents.

[lloyd3]

This post has brought something into focus for me. These cars (well, at least my car) is a tangible form of freedom for me. When I was a kid it represented one form of freedom (ie. mobility), it now represents something else entirely and it's complex. It's about a birthright bought with blood, it's atonomy and self-reliance, it's pride of ownership, and it's a statement that I won't be controlled by some spineless, feckless, self-serving bureaucrat.

60s musclecars are simply about freedom, and in this day and age our freedoms are under assault from many quarters.  Driving mine is like waving a giant middle finger to all the nanny-state types and I love it.

[cdr]

This post has brought something into focus for me. These cars (well, at least my car) is a tangible form of freedom for me. When I was a kid it represented one form of freedom (ie. mobility), it now represents something else entirely and it's complex. It's about a birthright bought with blood, it's atonomy and self-reliance, it's pride of ownership, and it's a statement that I won't be controlled by some spineless, feckless, self-serving bureaucrat.

60s musclecars are simply about freedom, and in this day and age our freedoms are under assault from many quarters.  Driving mine is like waving a giant middle finger to all the nanny-state types and I love it.

WELL SAID Lloyd3 very true!!!

[Aero426]

60s musclecars are simply about freedom, and in this day and age our freedoms are under assault from many quarters.  Driving mine is like waving a giant middle finger to all the nanny-state types and I love it.

I think I will just idle in the driveway for ten minutes tonight, to celebrate the freedom that I can. 

[Tilar]

Lol....but if you believe in all that nonsense then the planet has only been here about 25,000 years so we haven't really got any of that 100 million plus year old oil to even burn in your Charger motor...it takes about 60 million years minimum for gas and crude oil  to form naturally.

lol, All that "data", just like every other "Scientific Fact", can only take into consideration the variables that man has been able to figure out at this particular point in time. You can take any data and change the variables and come up with the outcome you need to push an agenda.

[alfaitalia]

Lol....but if you believe in all that nonsense then the planet has only been here about 25,000 years so we haven't really got any of that 100 million plus year old oil to even burn in your Charger motor...it takes about 60 million years minimum for gas and crude oil  to form naturally.

lol, All that "data", just like every other "Scientific Fact", can only take into consideration the variables that man has been able to figure out at this particular point in time. You can take any data and change the variables and come up with the outcome you need to push an agenda.

Fair enough.....you are free to believe what ever you wish whether you are Christian, Moslem, Jewish or whatever and I respect that whatever your faith may be. I choose not to believe along with most of the planet's population these days I believe. Ignoring science seems odd....even many Christians now except evolution and the formation of the galaxy....believing the old Testament to be stories written to explain stuff that people just could not understand back then. If the planet was that new when you looked up at night you would not be able to see most of the stars....their light would not have had enough time to get here yet. Blind faith and word for word belief in religious texts is fine but dangerous in the wrong hands....hello Isis!
I know you can't argue with religion in a logical way so I will leave it there and may your God go with you.

[gtx6970]

Wow, This topic has sure went to chit in a hat basket
Went from how to evac an AC system to religious beliefs in under 2 pages ,,,that has to be a record.

[alfaitalia]

Yes you are right and it should not have happened and some of it is my fault (politics and religion is banned on here anyway). But one last thing I will say is that over on Jeep Forum when I have over 6000 posts (if that matters) we have a separate forum area for politics and religion. I write the same stuff over there..US residents either agree or not and whether it's guns, God or Trump we listen to each other's views and most importantly don't belittle other's views....and never ever have I been told to fuck off....you might be banned for doing so in fact as they are not very tolerant of swearing for some reason! I would not take it to my face and I'm not taking it here. I find most keyboard hero's don't have the balls to do it in "real life" anyway. I'm not sure why they might be more easy going over there but I suspect it might be a younger average age leading to minds that are not so set in their ways and more open to others ideas and are also at the age where cantankerousness had not set in yet?...who knows....certainly not this very young 50 year old ! The other thing is that I get told off (not necessarily this thread) for being anti Christian although I'm not (not believing is not being anti) but it seems fine to make negative and outright bigoted remarks about the Muslim faith....it seems to be forgotten that 99.9% of Muslims are good God fearing folks worshiping God in there own way whose faith is very much against killing.....however some on here seem to blame Muslims for most of the problems in the World at the moment....but its ISIS who are the extremists not Muslims in general...most Muslims hate what ISIS has done to the image of there faith. ISIS views are caused buy too much literal reading of the Koran and taking comments made hundreds of years ago out of the context of modern times.....much as some fundamentalist Christians do today....but not in such a violent way.  So anyway you will be pleased (or maybe not if you like healthy debate) that after much thought (about three minutes) that I've made the decision that if it's not a car based thread I won't be posting.....what's the point? ..I might think differently that one of you free thinking Americans and get told to fuck off again.      

[cdr]

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[Tilar]

Ignoring science seems odd....even many Christians now except evolution and the formation of the galaxy....believing the old Testament to be stories written to explain stuff that people just could not understand back then.

I think you're misinformed... NO true Christian will accept evolution as the creation of the galaxy. That's not what the bible teaches.

[alfaitalia]

Ignoring science seems odd....even many Christians now except evolution and the formation of the galaxy....believing the old Testament to be stories written to explain stuff that people just could not understand back then.

I think you're misinformed... NO true Christian will accept evolution as the creation of the galaxy. That's not what the bible teaches.

http://www.eauk.org/church/resources/theological-articles/can-a-christian-believe-in-evolution.cfm


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceptance_of_evolution_by_religious_groups


Just another view point. Yes I know I said the last would be my last post ...but hey, I couldn't resist..God moves in mysterious ways! No more non car connected posts...I promise.

[Tilar]

While Wikipedia does have some good information, it is easily manipulated to push an agenda. Anyone could create a page saying that most scientists agree that evolution is nothing more than a theory, and that would be correct. It still stands that no true Christian will believe it. You either believe the bible or you believe what some schmo dreamed up after a night on the town. I'll end it there.

[John_Kunkel]

NO true Christian will accept evolution as the creation of the galaxy. That's not what the bible teaches.

First ya gotta find a "true Christian". 

[Tilar]

NO true Christian will accept evolution as the creation of the galaxy. That's not what the bible teaches.

First ya gotta find a "true Christian". 

lol well there are a lot of us, but there are also a lot of people who are only fooling themselves.