69 Charger RT vs RT/SE

[RCCthatsme]

Looking at a 69 Charger RT and a 69 Charger RT/SE.   

From what I have found the only difference is "A new trim line called the Special Edition (SE) was added. This could be available by itself or together with the R/T, thus making an R/T-SE. The SE added leather inserts to the front seats only, chrome rocker moldings, a wood grain steering wheel, and wood grain inserts on the instrument panel."  It goes to speak of the sun roof on 260 of the cars (this does not have one). 

Are these the only differences?


Thank you,

RC

[RCCthatsme]

RT/SE

[RCCthatsme]

RT

[RCCthatsme]

The RT is the plastic black grain dash and the RT/SE is the wood grain plastic.  You can clearly see the molding differences and the RT/SE does have the vinyl top.  < Yes I know some do not like them and some do.  I like the car with either. 

Thanks again

[TPR]

Apologies for ignoring your question.
Are those images of the actual cars you are considering for an upcoming purchase?
Are they for sale at Truemusclecars.com as seen below?

http://www.truemusclecars.com/69-dodge-charger-black-super-fast-440.html
http://www.truemusclecars.com/69-dodge-charger-rtse-all-original.html

If this is the case, you need to check out the links below:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=78865.0
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,18332.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=59986.0

If not, ignore me and carry on.
TPR

[Mytur Binsdirti]

1969 Dodge Charger RT/SE Unrestored
Excellent Shape for almost 50 years old
just in from California all paper work!!!!


Unrestored cars haven't been repainted.  

[69 OUR/TEA]

Looking at a 69 Charger RT and a 69 Charger RT/SE.   

From what I have found the only difference is "A new trim line called the Special Edition (SE) was added. This could be available by itself or together with the R/T, thus making an R/T-SE. The SE added leather inserts to the front seats only, chrome rocker moldings, a wood grain steering wheel, and wood grain inserts on the instrument panel."  It goes to speak of the sun roof on 260 of the cars (this does not have one). 

Are these the only differences?


Thank you,

RC

Hi RC , you are correct on most of what you think is added to an SE car .The rocker moldings were not standard on the SE , it was still an option . What also you do get that you did not mention was pedal dress up , and the AO1 light package .

[Homerr]

Several pages here reference the SE package:

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/dealerships/1969DealershipDataBook-03.shtml

[1970Moparmann]

1969 Dodge Charger RT/SE Unrestored
Excellent Shape for almost 50 years old
just in from California all paper work!!!!

SE's didn't have power brakes?

[70 sublime]

1969 Dodge Charger RT/SE Unrestored
Excellent Shape for almost 50 years old
just in from California all paper work!!!!

SE's didn't have power brakes?

If it makes any difference that seems to be one of the early 69 Chargers with the extra mystery hole in the fire wall 

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

1969 Dodge Charger RT/SE Unrestored
Excellent Shape for almost 50 years old
just in from California all paper work!!!!

SE's didn't have power brakes?

SE was a trim or decor group. Has zero to do with anything else.

It included  leather front seats, woodgrain dash, turn signals in the hood, special ornamentation, and more

It could be had on any 1969, even those without power brakes

[F8-4life]

Go for the RT/SE car if everything else is comparable. It's more likely a fully optioned out car and less were made.

[Lennard]

1969 Dodge Charger RT/SE Unrestored
Excellent Shape for almost 50 years old
just in from California all paper work!!!!

SE's didn't have power brakes?


SE was a trim or decor group. Has zero to do with anything else.

It included  leather front seats, woodgrain dash, turn signals in the hood, special ornamentation, and more

It could be had on any 1969, even those without power brakes

Hood turn signals is not just for SE  Chargers.

[69 OUR/TEA]

Go for the RT/SE car if everything else is comparable. It's more likely a fully optioned out car and less were made.

I have seen SE's that didn't have A/C or power brakes . But , most of the time they are optioned out pretty high . I like everything about the SE option except the wood grain dash .

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Hood turn signals is not just for SE  Chargers.

Understood on that, but the hood signals were mandatory, or a part of the SE Group.

[69 OUR/TEA]

Hood turn signals is not just for SE  Chargers.

Understood on that, but the hood signals were mandatory, or a part of the SE Group.

( part of the AO1 light package )

[Dino]

Go for the RT/SE car if everything else is comparable. It's more likely a fully optioned out car and less were made.

I have seen SE's that didn't have A/C or power brakes . But , most of the time they are optioned out pretty high . I like everything about the SE option except the wood grain dash .

And the sail panel emblem, not a fan of those.

The pedal trim is nice though and will be going on my car.   

[Challenger340]

Ours is R/T SE, power brakes, No A/C, but strangely factory G11 Tinted Glass ALL ?
I thought it strange ?
because I had thought G11 Tinted Glass was probably mandatory with A/C ? I just never figured someone would, or could order it all alone WITHOUT A/C ?
I guess many did ?
Nice touch on a "Black" car that they otherwise FORGOT to order A/C on ! 
Frigg'in Canadians eh ?

I think the "SE" was a very nice appearance "pkg" for the day, adding a semi-luxurious component feel on the otherwise performance oriented R/T's.

[Dino]

Ours is R/T SE, power brakes, No A/C, but strangely factory G11 Tinted Glass ALL ?
I think strange ? because I had thought G11 Tinted Glass was probably mandatory with A/C ? just never figured someone would order it all alone without A/C ? I guess many did ?

I think the "SE" was a very nice appearance "pkg" for the day, adding a semi-luxurious component feel on the otherwise performance oriented R/T's.

G15 tinted windshield was mandatory with A/C but G11 was optional.

[Challenger340]

Ours is R/T SE, power brakes, No A/C, but strangely factory G11 Tinted Glass ALL ?
I think strange ? because I had thought G11 Tinted Glass was probably mandatory with A/C ? just never figured someone would order it all alone without A/C ? I guess many did ?

I think the "SE" was a very nice appearance "pkg" for the day, adding a semi-luxurious component feel on the otherwise performance oriented R/T's.

G15 tinted windshield was mandatory with A/C but G11 was optional.

I'll never figure out why someone ordered ours WITH G11, but NO A/C ? 
Must be a Canadian thing..... might only need A/C a coupla weeks a year, but the Tinted Glass Year Round ?

[Dino]

Ours is R/T SE, power brakes, No A/C, but strangely factory G11 Tinted Glass ALL ?
I think strange ? because I had thought G11 Tinted Glass was probably mandatory with A/C ? just never figured someone would order it all alone without A/C ? I guess many did ?

I think the "SE" was a very nice appearance "pkg" for the day, adding a semi-luxurious component feel on the otherwise performance oriented R/T's.

G15 tinted windshield was mandatory with A/C but G11 was optional.

I'll never figure out why someone ordered ours WITH G11, but NO A/C ? 
Must be a Canadian thing..... might only need A/C a coupla weeks a year, but the Tinted Glass Year Round ?

Maybe it's just a cosmetic thing. I prefer some tint over clear as well, although green wouldn't be my first choice.   

[RCCthatsme]

Apologies for ignoring your question.
Are those images of the actual cars you are considering for an upcoming purchase?
Are they for sale at Truemusclecars.com as seen below?

http://www.truemusclecars.com/69-dodge-charger-black-super-fast-440.html
http://www.truemusclecars.com/69-dodge-charger-rtse-all-original.html

If this is the case, you need to check out the links below:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=78865.0
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,18332.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=59986.0

If not, ignore me and carry on.
TPR

Yes, in fact those are two of the cars that I am looking to purchase.  Thank you for the heads up.

[RCCthatsme]

Thank you all for the insight.  Given the discussion is including critical review of dealerships, where do you recommend I look for my purchase?

Thank you

[tan top]

Go for the RT/SE car if everything else is comparable. It's more likely a fully optioned out car and less were made.

I have seen SE's that didn't have A/C or power brakes . But , most of the time they are optioned out pretty high . I like everything about the SE option except the wood grain dash .

me too , don't like the wood grain dash !  also don't like  the SE name plates on the sale panel  , well not ! don't like them as such , I just think !,that stuff don't belong on a muscle car well on an R/T anyways ...   same as power window & AC ..... ...was going to put the standard black pebble grain dash bezels in mine  & leave off the SE  sail panel name plates  , going back after the resto ....decided against it for some reason I forget now   ....  

[69 OUR/TEA]

Go for the RT/SE car if everything else is comparable. It's more likely a fully optioned out car and less were made.

I have seen SE's that didn't have A/C or power brakes . But , most of the time they are optioned out pretty high . I like everything about the SE option except the wood grain dash .

me too , don't like the wood grain dash !  also don't like  the SE name plates on the sale panel  , well not ! don't like them as such , I just think !,that stuff don't belong on a muscle car well on an R/T anyways ...   same as power window & AC ..... ...was going to put the standard black pebble grain dash bezels in mine  & leave off the SE  sail panel name plates  , going back after the resto ....decided against it for some reason I forget now   ....  

Not to hijack the thread , but LOL tan top !!!! I was thinking the same thing about going with the pebble grain for the dash . But then reality ( at least to me ) hits , better leave it as it should be . Not to slam people who repo parts , but I have not found a set of the repo wood grain dash plates that either match my original of what the grain should look like in color as well as the grain . For the past 2 years , a vendor at Carlisle ( won't say who as he is a good guy ) has a set and the gauges and radio plate pieces are shinier than the plate that goes above the glove box . So I didn't buy them , then out in the swap area , I find a personal vendor selling a set , they are exactly the same dilemma !!!!!! Hmmmmm , why is he selling them ? Are they all like this ? So with that I have yet to purchase the plates for my car , as I won't dare take the chance and call the two vendors who supply them , and trust they will send me something they would put on their own car . I want to see them in person , and if they satisfy me , I will buy .
Hence , I don't know of any source that can restore them to near mint/original look ( nobody suggest the overlay stickers either ) as of yet .

[c00nhunterjoe]

My base model 318 came equipeed with rt suspension, vinyl top, sail emblems and hood signals. I would have to pull my build sheet to see what all the options were again.

[hemigeno]

G15 tinted windshield was mandatory with A/C but G11 was optional.

If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure that tinted glass was recommended but not mandatory with A/C. (see attached .pdf excerpt from the '69 Dealer Data Book, and there are other document sources that confirm this)

Normally Sales Code G21 Clear Glass was never coded on the Broadcast Sheet if a car didn't have either G11 or G15... but if a car was equipped with A/C and NOT ordered with either tinted windshield or all-tinted glass, the Broadcast Sheet was to be coded with G21 ("Must Have") to show that it had no tinted windows at all.  AFAIK, that was the only instance where Sales Code G21 would have been used.  There was no "Must Have" tinted window qualifier for H51 Air Conditioning on the '69 Sales Code Manual that I noted anyway.

It was at least possible, anyway, to spec a car with A/C and no tinted glass.  Whether it happened very often is a totally different story.

Hood turn signals is not just for SE  Chargers.

Understood on that, but the hood signals were mandatory, or a part of the SE Group.

( part of the AO1 light package )

It's true that Sales Code A01 Light Group included Sales Code L31 Turn Indicators on '69 Plymouth A & B bodies, but A01 did not include L31 on the equivalent '69 Dodge models.

L31 was indeed part of the A47 Special Edition option package for '69 Chargers... just not as a result of the A01 Light Group's inclusion.  As already noted, L31 was available on non-SE 1969 models too (unlike leather insert seats, woodgrain dash & pedal dress-up options).

My base model 318 came equipeed with rt suspension

A '69 318 Charger should have Sales Code S13 shown on the Broadcast Sheet.  That indicated "Heavy Duty Suspension With Sway Bar".  Charger R/T's were coded with S15, which was the "Police Handling Package".  I will add that some 318 Chargers MAY have been coded with S15, only because there is a "Limited Option" qualifier thrown in there (ONLY for 318-powered B-bodies) just to muddy the waters.  I have no idea what it would have taken to "allow" S15 on a non-R/T.

Learned something new. Thanks!

It's a good thing all this stuff was written down somewhere - I'd NEVER remember it all.

[Dino]

Learned something new. Thanks!

[RCCthatsme]

I appreciate the education, and steering me away from a thief. I have gained many an interesting reply, found the same car for sale by different scammers and began to narrow my focus.   I also received the following e-mail:

    Hello RC:

    Thanks for contacting me about the beautiful RT Charger you saw online.  We build Chargers!

    Currently we have a black 69 RT Charger that we can complete in a month or less.  Generally speaking, we have Standard Chargers and R/T Chargers at any given time that can be built out in about 2-3 months. We consistently restore Chargers and have shells for 68s, 69s and 70s ready to be completed with engine, tranny and interiors to customer preferences.

    Your Charger can be painted in any color you like. We offer black or tan interiors primarily. We also offer a "Dukes of Hazzard" General Lee Charger (complete with decals, multi tone Dixie horn, push bar and/or roll bar at no added cost).

    The cars we build and deliver to customers have rebuilt engines & trannys, new paint, new interi or. The brakes & cooling systems are rebuilt or new, etc. See the list of new / rebuilt items below. Only the best parts are used.

    Almost all cars sold have new quarters and trunk pans. The floors and fenders are replaced if there is any rust at all. We use no patch panels. Our bodies are extremely straight and doors and fenders have an excellent fit. Our cars do not have rust. The paint on our cars are color sanded and buffed for a mirror like finish. We use top grade Sherwin Williams Urethane paint and apply three coats and then three coats of clear for a deep luster and mirror - like finish. 

    Since we are a supplier / retailer for MOPAR parts, along with the fact that we have built hundreds of Chargers over the years, we can build a Charger at a reasonable price.
    We build a very beautiful and very dependable car - one you can drive anywhere and enter in local shows and be proud to lift the hood. The Chargers are not "nut-and-bolt", frame-off, rotisserie restorat ions, but a nice driver quality car that owners will be proud to drive and show.

    Our 383 Standard Charger currently sells for $49,999 and our 440 Standard Charger for $52,999. I can also offer you an R/T Charger* at $59,999. A deposit of $3000 for the 383 car, $4000 for the 440 Standard Charger and $5000 for an R/T Charger will reserve your Charger and set us in motion. There's often a waiting list, but we can usually complete a car within a month or two !

    I can send you photos of a typical Charger restoration so that you can get an idea of the process if you are further interested and I'm always available to discuss building a car for you.
    We often have other lesser-priced Chargers for sale on our website. Be sure to type in "charger" upper left of my site to see them all. Those listed at lower prices are for various reasons (usually they are projects, or trade-ins) and I am happy to provide additional information about any of them.

     Please advise how I can make you another happy Charger owner!

     

    Thanks !

    Mike Johnson
    ClassicCarGuy.com
    Tel Direct: 805.544.8080
    Toll Free: 1-888-762-5570
    Cell: 925.768.1092
    Fax: 925-396-6040

     

    Below is a list (not exhaustive) of new parts that all Chargers receive. Only the best parts are used. Even the best decals available are used for the GLs:

    Drive Train:

    Engine : All engines receive new high performance pistons, New high performance rings , new camshaft, new rod bearings, new main bearings, New cam bearings, new guides, new seals, new gaskets, new double roller timing chain, New Johnsons lifters , New oil pump complete with housing, new distributor, new alternator, new water pump, new fuel pump, new Edlebrock carburetor, new oil pan, new valve covers, new belts and new hoses, New aluminum radiator

    Transmission: Rebuilt transmission, Rebuilt torque converter

    Body: All cars get new rear quarters, new trunk pan. Fenders and floors are replaced if needed. We have painted, rolling shells waiting to be built at any time per order.

    Interior: We use the best vinyl. New headliner, new dashpad, new lower door panels, new seat covers, new carpet, New sill plates , etc

    Electronics: All wiring is gone through. New bulbs, new voltage regulator, new fuses, new wiper motor

    Misc: New windshield, New windshield gasket, New gas tank, New Vector Styled Wheels, new tires, new brake system (new master cylinder, wheel cylinders, brake lines, shoes, etc) , New Hi Performance Aluminum radiator, new exhaust system, new shocks, New chrome bumpers front and rear, new grille trim, etc.

     

    * R/T = Road and Track Racing . The R/T was a Factory Built High Performance race car featuring better suspension than the Standard Charger, 15" wheels, floor shifts and consoles. All R/Ts had 440 cu in engines. Our 440s deliver better than stock performance at least 375hp, Complete with R/T badging, Genuine R/T Title.

Any feedback on this dealer? 

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Feedback on that dealer? Run like hell 

[RCCthatsme]

Feedback on that dealer? Run like hell 

Why is that?  I looked him up on the BBB.  He seems to check out.


https://www.bbb.org/santa-barbara/business-reviews/auto-dealers-antique-and-classic/classic-car-guy-in-sn-luis-obisp-ca-2000281/reviews-and-complaints

https://www.trustlink.org/Review/Classic-Car-Guy-115866

[Challenger340]

Yeah I am interested, what's up with the Classic car Guy ?
Good or Bad ?
Any experience's here ?

[XS29LA47V21]

   ahh RTSE please.

Assume a person likes the wood grain dash which I like, some don't I guess... other options are just that extra options on a car, so what is not to like.  Standard SE stuff like Leather seats, lighting group and most often AC are nice.  Sometimes, not always, an RTSE is basically at RT prices if patience and luck, but are not usually much of a bump up in cost like you might find with a Hemi car would be for example.  Really cool options on top of standard RTSE like V21 hood treatment, sunroof, disc brakes, PW, cruz, FM, 6way seats, rear window defogger, etc all can add up to a high neat option car.  But maybe I am biased...a little .  On the other hand....a great solid good RT these days might be better than a rust bucket pig with lip stick RTSE not restored well at some dealer/flipper.

[TPR]

It's very clear that the Classic Car Guy is associated with Truemusclecars (which was formerly HLPAG). The shadiest Charger dealers on the net.
Take a look at some of the posts floating around this forum at the moment.
The same pictures of the same car at the same price are being used at the Classic Car Guy site and Truemusclecars site.
You don't have to be a private investigator to spot the links.
Stay the fuck away.
TPR

[RCCthatsme]

It's very clear that the Classic Car Guy is associated with Truemusclecars (which was formerly HLPAG). The shadiest Charger dealers on the net.
Take a look at some of the posts floating around this forum at the moment.
The same pictures of the same car at the same price are being used at the Classic Car Guy site and Truemusclecars site.
You don't have to be a private investigator to spot the links.
Stay the fuck away.
TPR

Got it thanks. 

Any leads on a solid 69 RT or RT/SE are appreciated. Budget = $75K