68 Charger R/T 14,000 original miles WIW

[tan top]

  wow sounds an interesting charger , that's for sure  

...no offence  , we need to see a load or good pictures of everywhere .... well not just us , if you advertise it on ebay or  craigslist etc  , so will other real buyers .... will want to see it & judge  etc   , before they travel anywhere ... 2 hundered or 1000 miles  or  more away ....  

Good luck , with what ever you decide 

[alfaitalia]

So true. A common phrase in UK car ads is "one careful owner"......I like to add..."and eight who really couldn't give a f*** !



BOT...By the photos alone I would like hard evidence of that mileage.....looks to have done way more....especially the engine bay. My untouched, never cleaned, 147,000 mile Mercedes DD engine looks cleaner and that's after 14 salty British winters. Not saying it isn't 14k car....it just doesn't look it.

[Chargen69]

the only way you can claim 14,000 original miles is to have copies of the original titles as the car was transfered from one owner to the next so the miles could be documented.

otherwise, nobody is going to believe that with the way the engine bay looks.

not trying to be mean, just telling you what you need

[Dino]

I have never seen original gauges that were not oxidized. Ever. Were these redone?

LOTS of well kept original examples still have NON-oxidized gauges.
Now you have seen "2" in one thread.

Yep and now learned that this is possible! I always believed that the gauges would oxidize no matter what. I stand corrected.   

[hemi-hampton]

"Leon. The car looks pretty nice 29.000 seems pretty low for an original 24,000 mile car with original sheet metal. Do you think a poor economy or the lack of being able to get financing was a factor?"


Well, When I first had it for sale in 2010 it was the poor economy. BUT, By late 2015 economy not so bad & Charger prices going up. I been told by many if it was a 4 speed it would of sold along time ago, Also been told nobody wants a ugly brown car & if it was a different color would of sold along time ago. Really it's alot of different factors to numerous to list here with out writing a book. The only way to know what yours is worth is put on ebay or Auction, As the saying goes only worth what someone is willing to pay. I have a Question, you say can't take better pics. Stored in garage or whatever it's in. Then why don't you drive it out of garage or barn & take better pics. Curious, does this car run or drive? LEON.

[XS29LA47V21]

Low mileage and original survivor's are extremely difficult to find, and pricing can be equally frustrating, given, the lack of UN-restored reference examples with which to compare against ?
It is not like you can go just find 10 more "Un-restored, UN-rebuilt" Survivor's for sale and see what they are asking ?

More and detailed photos would be of great help here, nonetheless, if as "described" ..... well.... very unique asset !
IMO,
well north of $65K to the right buyer, once you have weeded away the riff-raff who WILL attempt to insist on "restored" Cars as price comparisons. (which by itself be the #1 chore in marketing to stay away from).

Agreed.  Looking specifically at a model year like say 68-69s with a base perspective of an RT and a nice color, there are so few available or "buyable" unrestored really nice cars out there.  They are so... so few and far between.  Anything with true original factory paint or maybe at least 1/2 original paint are extremely rare and are certainly more common in green/bronzes/gold in my perspective (Calm down...not hating on a green cars.. I have one too and dig it too). We are seeing just a glimpse of your car and from what I can see and if it is really factory original paint, it is very nice.  Although it sounds like it needs the front clip painted maybe which will impact its value to some.

I probably have in the moment maybe a good perspective for you with my factory original paint RT and my price (see link below).  A car buddy is helping me offer it for sale on another site.  Grumpy internet haters or not, my car has had a pretty good life for a blue car in the last 40 years, living inside with two owners who tried to care for it well (no barn find).  My car is almost 50 and driven, so it does have some flaws and some "character".  Although I am sure I have caused wear too during my stint.  I love my car and I still think it as a super great car for me, but maintaining an original paint car is proving to me as difficult and thinking of other uphill opportunities are my only real reasons for offering it for sale.  You could look at my car for some perspective on it and to say my offered price is not the deal of the day is probably true, is not a fire sale, dealer selling, nor does it state OBO.

You have a great color.  One more thought which I might be the minority on.... but, I think at this moment the range could be an easily 20k on a 440 RT with a color, a sunroof with options, 4spd car or some great stack of options which are desired by wanting discriminating Charger buyer.  I have given strong money in my past for a great car and never regretted it to this day.

Good luck.  Would love to see more photos of a nice car.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,127467.0.html

[Homerr]

"Leon. The car looks pretty nice 29.000 seems pretty low for an original 24,000 mile car with original sheet metal. Do you think a poor economy or the lack of being able to get financing was a factor?"


Well, When I first had it for sale in 2010 it was the poor economy. BUT, By late 2015 economy not so bad & Charger prices going up. I been told by many if it was a 4 speed it would of sold along time ago, Also been told nobody wants a ugly brown car & if it was a different color would of sold along time ago. Really it's alot of different factors to numerous to list here with out writing a book. The only way to know what yours is worth is put on ebay or Auction, As the saying goes only worth what someone is willing to pay. I have a Question, you say can't take better pics. Stored in garage or whatever it's in. Then why don't you drive it out of garage or barn & take better pics. Curious, does this car run or drive? LEON.

Leon, straight-up your ad was terrible.  It noted "damage" but the pics showed the undamaged areas of the car.  Adding to the confusion is that you're a paint and auto body guy, why not fix it?  We had a couple of q/a interactions about your car but you never posted a pic of the "damage" or really explained why you had a damaged car.  You had a weird vibe going on and I think your car was worth $8-10k more (at the time) if you would have put $1,000 out of pocket in to it to fix it.

As for OP:  $30k if it's a low-mile worn/scratched/aged/cracked no-rust example that really needs everything touched to be presentable...$60k if it shines up nicely, perfectly detailed out as a proper Day1 or Day2 car, and looks like a true 14k mile example with only minimal wear?

[surmanajaja]

"Leon. The car looks pretty nice 29.000 seems pretty low for an original 24,000 mile car with original sheet metal. Do you think a poor economy or the lack of being able to get financing was a factor?"


Well, When I first had it for sale in 2010 it was the poor economy. BUT, By late 2015 economy not so bad & Charger prices going up. I been told by many if it was a 4 speed it would of sold along time ago, Also been told nobody wants a ugly brown car & if it was a different color would of sold along time ago. Really it's alot of different factors to numerous to list here with out writing a book. The only way to know what yours is worth is put on ebay or Auction, As the saying goes only worth what someone is willing to pay. I have a Question, you say can't take better pics. Stored in garage or whatever it's in. Then why don't you drive it out of garage or barn & take better pics. Curious, does this car run or drive? LEON.

Leon, I looked at your ad many times but I thought the car was already sold or you didnt really want to sell it, when it was in cars-online for years...to me it seemed too good to be true..I was really surprised when I saw the post that You had finally sold it.

[hemi-hampton]

"Leon. The car looks pretty nice 29.000 seems pretty low for an original 24,000 mile car with original sheet metal. Do you think a poor economy or the lack of being able to get financing was a factor?"


Well, When I first had it for sale in 2010 it was the poor economy. BUT, By late 2015 economy not so bad & Charger prices going up. I been told by many if it was a 4 speed it would of sold along time ago, Also been told nobody wants a ugly brown car & if it was a different color would of sold along time ago. Really it's alot of different factors to numerous to list here with out writing a book. The only way to know what yours is worth is put on ebay or Auction, As the saying goes only worth what someone is willing to pay. I have a Question, you say can't take better pics. Stored in garage or whatever it's in. Then why don't you drive it out of garage or barn & take better pics. Curious, does this car run or drive? LEON.

Leon, straight-up your ad was terrible.  It noted "damage" but the pics showed the undamaged areas of the car.  Adding to the confusion is that you're a paint and auto body guy, why not fix it?  We had a couple of q/a interactions about your car but you never posted a pic of the "damage" or really explained why you had a damaged car.  You had a weird vibe going on and I think your car was worth $8-10k more (at the time) if you would have put $1,000 out of pocket in to it to fix it.

As for OP:  $30k if it's a low-mile worn/scratched/aged/cracked no-rust example that really needs everything touched to be presentable...$60k if it shines up nicely, perfectly detailed out as a proper Day1 or Day2 car, and looks like a true 14k mile example with only minimal wear?

The site I listed in sucked. it would only let me post like 3 pics max & then would not let me revise pics or ad & had strict limitations for the fee I paid. Also ad did show pic of damage. Any one that asked for more pics got about 30 pics of all areas. As another member in here said he got plenty of pics from me. you never asked for any pics. You keep raging on my car & not even interested in it. LATER.

[hemi-hampton]

"Leon. The car looks pretty nice 29.000 seems pretty low for an original 24,000 mile car with original sheet metal. Do you think a poor economy or the lack of being able to get financing was a factor?"


Well, When I first had it for sale in 2010 it was the poor economy. BUT, By late 2015 economy not so bad & Charger prices going up. I been told by many if it was a 4 speed it would of sold along time ago, Also been told nobody wants a ugly brown car & if it was a different color would of sold along time ago. Really it's alot of different factors to numerous to list here with out writing a book. The only way to know what yours is worth is put on ebay or Auction, As the saying goes only worth what someone is willing to pay. I have a Question, you say can't take better pics. Stored in garage or whatever it's in. Then why don't you drive it out of garage or barn & take better pics. Curious, does this car run or drive? LEON.

Leon, I looked at your ad many times but I thought the car was already sold or you didnt really want to sell it, when it was in cars-online for years...to me it seemed too good to be true..I was really surprised when I saw the post that You had finally sold it.

Long story I hate to rehash all the time. When I first listed it in 2010 the economy was bad & everybody losing there house to forclosure. at least here in Michigan & Detroit, Not sure about the rest of the world. SO, Everybody that contacted me in 2010 & after was just hoping I was some poor sucker losing his house to foreclosure & needing money bad to save it. So they would all low ball me a offer of $15,000 cash hoping I'm desperate & would take it. This gets very tiresome after about 100 times. Was not losing my house & really didn't need to sell so in no rush to take a low ball offer. After 5 years I only got 2 guys really Interested & serious. Both at the same time wanted it. Only one guy had the money & came through. Anybody else in line past 5 years could of done the same thing but just didn't want to. The story's more complicated & would make more sense if I thoroughly explained but who wants to hear all about my personal life. LEON.

[hemi-hampton]

Pic of my Charger the day I sold it. Pic taken about 1 minute before it got loaded onto the 18 wheeler car hauler. Pic shows the wasted smashed up damaged front end Homer keeps wanting to talk about. And yes that's the bad damaged side. LEON.

[Homerr]

Leon, I did inquire because I was interested in a 4-speed and the ad didn't say either way.  Maybe it came off as some sort of attack a couple of years ago, but it was not meant to be.  IIRC you posted an ad here on DC (finally?) and I was, with good intent, prodding you to post some pics of your car.  I wanted to see you get a fair price for it.  This pic here is the clearest I've seen to date. 

[chaaargerb]

the only way you can claim 14,000 original miles is to have copies of the original titles as the car was transfered from one owner to the next so the miles could be documented.

otherwise, nobody is going to believe that with the way the engine bay looks.

not trying to be mean, just telling you what you need

Chargen69  I don't know what state your in but in my state  if a car is over 10 years old it is mileage exempt. The car has had 3 titles. Original that would have 0 miles, the 2nd title was registered around 1994 (26 years later) that has on miles listed (mileage exempt) and my title also mileage exempt.  

[chaaargerb]

Thanks to all that were helpful. At this time I'm going to wait until the weather gets better and I have some time to clean and detail the car. I have used a company in the past that does estimates and numbers verification's, when their done you get an 8 to 10 page booklet with hi def picks and everything you could think of and they don't charge the big bucks like the Mopar Guru's do.  Thanks again    

[Mytur Binsdirti]

I've used those companies before for insurance reasons & during their on-site evaluation, they've always asked me what I think the car is worth & the (honest) opinion I give is pretty much what they write it up as.

[Chargen69]

the only way you can claim 14,000 original miles is to have copies of the original titles as the car was transfered from one owner to the next so the miles could be documented.

otherwise, nobody is going to believe that with the way the engine bay looks.

not trying to be mean, just telling you what you need

Chargen69  I don't know what state your in but in my state  if a car is over 10 years old it is mileage exempt. The car has had 3 titles. Original that would have 0 miles, the 2nd title was registered around 1994 (26 years later) that has on miles listed (mileage exempt) and my title also mileage exempt.  

I'm in SC but what I was saying was, if I'm looking at a 14,000 mile car to buy and pay a premium for it, there better be a real paper trail about the mileage.  I contacted north carolina dmv once about a car I had and since the car stayed in NC until I bought it, they sent me a copy of every time the title changed hands and you could watch the mileage go up, even though it was exempt as well

PS in SC when you check mileage exempt, it means it rolled over

[Chargen69]

Undercoating looks like a Zeibart job.  I can understand the aftermarket valve covers and manifold but shouldn't the carb spring still be turquoise?  A lot of paint gone from the power steering pump cap.  Shows too much wear and tear for a 14,000 mile car. 

[chaaargerb]

I've used those companies before for insurance reasons & during their on-site evaluation, they've always asked me what I think the car is worth & the (honest) opinion I give is pretty much what they write it up as.

Your absolutely right. The difference between this one and a couple of other ones I have had on the car over the years is that this one was done thru the estate. I didn't pay for it. The 2nd owner had a very nice collection. He had 3 Chargers that were appraised to settle the estate. The other 2 were a 70 Charger R/T 440, 4 speed 410 car and a 71 Charger R/T  Air grabber car with radio delete. The person in charge of the estate picked the company and paid them. When the appraisals came back they showed them to me and I about fainted. I was hoping to get the 68 and the 70 but after they had them appraised I was barely able to buy the 68. Lets just say the wife wasn't to happy when I told her we had to refinance the house.    

[chaaargerb]

 
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I'm in SC but what I was saying was, if I'm looking at a 14,000 mile car to buy and pay a premium for it, there better be a real paper trail about the mileage.  I contacted north carolina dmv once about a car I had and since the car stayed in NC until I bought it, they sent me a copy of every time the title changed hands and you could watch the mileage go up, even though it was exempt as well

PS in SC when you check mileage exempt, it means it rolled over
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I think I have plenty of paperwork for the car.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

I'd say so! 

[TheBipolarRoller]

Impressive Chaaaargerb. You should be proud to own such a sweet car [and all that really cool paperwork]. I especially like the Scat Pack of Zion. That has got to be pretty rare in my opinion.  I am looking forward to warmer weather and high definition pictures. 

[Challenger340]

Pic of my Charger the day I sold it. Pic taken about 1 minute before it got loaded onto the 18 wheeler car hauler. Pic shows the wasted smashed up damaged front end Homer keeps wanting to talk about. And yes that's the bad damaged side. LEON.

I said it back at that time, and I can say it again now..... IMO, LEON's 2nd Gen Charger was the best deal available ANYWHERE on the planet back at that time ?
I couldn't believe it wasn't already snapped up/long gone as a 24K original mileage Car before it was for $29K on this forum ?
I even thought about buying it as a 2nd investment on general f***'ing principle !

Nonetheless, my point being.....
the $29K Sale price of LEON's Car, IMO, is absolutely irrelevant to current events, and highly unlikely to be used successfully as any kind of current "market" price setting comparison example ? although many may try in acquisition attempts ? and you can't really blame them ?

There are always "good deals", and there are always prices both parties are happy with at a given time/circumstance.... which affect averages up or down.
But overall... IMO...
True Survivor examples, and even just UN-restored Original examples in OK shape, are a very limited resource, devoid of the said "averaged" price comparison, and subjective to the more uniquely limited supply/demand category given adequate marketing/exposure.

BTW, NICE Documentation you have there on that '68 R/T    

[alfaitalia]

 

I'm in SC but what I was saying was, if I'm looking at a 14,000 mile car to buy and pay a premium for it, there better be a real paper trail about the mileage.  I contacted north carolina dmv once about a car I had and since the car stayed in NC until I bought it, they sent me a copy of every time the title changed hands and you could watch the mileage go up, even though it was exempt as well

PS in SC when you check mileage exempt, it means it rolled over
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I think I have plenty of paperwork for the car.
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Cool...but does any of that paperwork 100% prove that the (imo frankly extremely unlikely) mileage is accurate beyond any reasonable doubt?

[Chargen69]

exactly

[chaaargerb]

Cool...but does any of that paperwork 100% prove that the (imo frankly extremely unlikely) mileage is accurate beyond any reasonable doubt? [/quote]

I guess there will always be non believers. The people that made a huge mistake when purchasing some POS off line without inspecting a car in person. Must have been burned pretty bad (imo frankly extremely likely) or just a keyboard troll who doesn't have a clue. When the time comes to sell the car your more then welcome to come out and decide for yourself. But make sure you bring cash cause I don't take checks. What do the used car salesman always say Trust Me!