68 Charger R/T 14,000 original miles WIW

[chaaargerb]

Hello everyone. I don't know if this is the correct place to ask but I was looking to find out what a car might be worth.  The car is a 1968 Charger R/T with 14,000 miles on it. The car is QQ1 blue with a black vinyl top and black interior. Stripe Delete.It's a pretty basic R/T. It is a 440 automatic console shift car.Non air. The car has all the important paperwork. Window sticker, fender tag,bill of sale broadcast sheet,warranty book with warranty swipe card plus a bunch of other receipts. Car is numbers matching but had the typical early performance upgrades like headers,alum intake and valve covers,holley carb ect. Most of the original parts are with the car like intake,carb,exhaust manifolds,valve covers. The body is in original paint with no rust. The car has been stored it's whole life indoors. The body would need to have a fender and the hood repainted otherwise the body is beautiful. The interior is also in excellent condition. The car was last driven on the road around 2001 and that was only a few miles.

The car is a car that I have owned for about 15 years and haven't really done anything to it. I have restored many Mopars over the years but not one of this caliper.

In the last couple of months a have had a couple of different guys show up at my house asking about this car and if it was for sale. I've never really thought about selling the car so I never really gave them a price.

Recently I have been trying to finish up another long term project and it's getting to the point where time and desire are taking there toll.

I have seen a lot of rusty junk charger R/T's (no engines) selling for 15,000 to 20,000. I've seen what people call survivor cars with 318's and 383's that run and haven't really had anything done to them but still need quarters,trunks and everything else sell for 20,000 to 35,000. Then you have the Non Numbers matching no paperwork Taiwan/China everything (restored)Charger R/T's for 50,000 to 120,000.

So what would be an original 14,000 mile car like this be worth. Thanks for any help.





           

[chargerboy69]

After looking for 6 months I have an idea.  When you figure one out send me a PM.

[Sublime/Sixpack]

It sounds as though it should be a pretty fair car, but difficult to tell much from the photos posted.

[hemi-hampton]

Sounds similar to my car, my car needed a fender painted also, but had 24k instead of 14k & my interior needed work. Considering I had a hard time getting $29k for mine I would think yours is gotta be worth a little more then that. Without seeing better pics I would say maybe around $35k. I'm sure lots of others in here will call me crazy & say $50k+. I'm just baseing this on the experiance with my car mostly & 30+years experiance following the hobby & trends. The Idiots buying rust bucket basket cases for $10k+ don't realize how much time & money it takes to restore a car. So they overpay from the start & don't realize it until it's 10 years & $50k later. but by then it's to late. LEON.

P.S. Post better pics outside in daylight, not close ups in dark garage.

[Dino]

I have never seen original gauges that were not oxidized. Ever. Were these redone?

[69rtse4spd]

More Pict's please, how many owners before you got it. For only 14,000 miles a lot of wrong stuff under the hood. I just looked at a one owner R.R 4-spd convertible with 104,300 miles on it, it was parked inside since 77, & it was all original, & very, very solid. As posted before more better Pict's when you can.     

[hemi-hampton]

Yeah, under the hood looks pretty beat up for only 14k miles. LEON.

[6bblgt]

14K miles - usually means the spare has never been out of the trunk or used - got pics?

[chaaargerb]

The car is in a large building and has been parked for years. I really can't get any better pictures. For some reason I can't get my camera to get better pictures.
The gauges are all original. The car is a lot better then it looks. I live on a gravel road and the dust is unbelievable. The engine compartment has never been detailed other then some plugs and a couple of other things. The engine compartment hasn't been touch since about 1972-3 that's when the receipts stopped. I am the 3rd owner but I was friends with the original owner and the second owner. Both passed away. The original owner passed in the early 90's then the second owner passed in 2001. The family gave me first option to buy the car. The second owner didn't do anything to the car other then keep it clean. I haven't done anything to it either so it's still basically a one owner car. As for the engine compartment it would only take a couple of weekends to clean it up. I do have the original removed parts. I think the rust free body, excellent interior, Documented 14,000 miles and all the paperwork out weighs a dirty engine compartment.  

You guys posted a black 69 charger that is on ebay that is already over 30,000 with 7 days to go and I can see it's a typical back yard resto.

Leon was your car an R/T? How long ago did you sell it?   Was it better then the black 69 that's already at 30,000 ?      

[chaaargerb]

Someone was saying the engine compartment looks dirty. What I think you looking at is factory undercoating on the fender walls. It does say on the window sticker that the car was order with factory undercoating. I friend of mine has a 69 1/2 bee that the fender walls look just like mine, his car is factory undercoated also.

[hemi-hampton]

"Leon was your car an R/T? How long ago did you sell it?   Was it better then the black 69 that's already at 30,000" ?


Yes my car was a R/T, all#'s matching, original paint, zero rust,ect. I sold it about 1 year ago. Pics below. LEON.

[dual fours]

I just see normal repairs like the positive battery cable clamp, dual belt pulley on the alternator and the radiator hose clamps and cap. Looks like a good car to me. More pictures would be a plus though. 

[6bblgt]

what state or area of the country is this car in?

you are the third owner but comments like "it's still basically a one owner car" makes it sound like you enjoy stretching the truth 

undercoated cars are on the undercarriage not "in" the engine compartment

[Kern Dog]

The OP may be a nice guy using terminology he heard others say.
Right. A 14,000 mile car would have a dusty or dirty engine bay but in that time it wouldn't be greasy.
I don't think I've seen engine bays undercoated before. The oil vapors from the engine serve as a great rust preventative!
There is a common habit to improperly call a car a "One owner" just because it has only been registered to one person. This annoys me because a car can have a series of short term owners with temporary tags. Each could have been pretty abusive or neglectful in their time with the car.

More pictures are needed to get a better estimate on value.

[TheBipolarRoller]

Yes my car was a R/T, all#'s matching, original paint, zero rust,ect. I sold it about 1 year ago. Pics below. LEON.

Sweetness double H.

[Challenger340]

Low mileage and original survivor's are extremely difficult to find, and pricing can be equally frustrating, given, the lack of UN-restored reference examples with which to compare against ?
It is not like you can go just find 10 more "Un-restored, UN-rebuilt" Survivor's for sale and see what they are asking ?

More and detailed photos would be of great help here, nonetheless, if as "described" ..... well.... very unique asset !
IMO,
well north of $65K to the right buyer, once you have weeded away the riff-raff who WILL attempt to insist on "restored" Cars as price comparisons. (which by itself be the #1 chore in marketing to stay away from).

[Challenger340]

I have never seen original gauges that were not oxidized. Ever. Were these redone?

LOTS of well kept original examples still have NON-oxidized gauges.
Now you have seen "2" in one thread.

[hawkeye]

Undercoating looks like a Zeibart job.  I can understand the aftermarket valve covers and manifold but shouldn't the carb spring still be turquoise?  A lot of paint gone from the power steering pump cap.  Shows too much wear and tear for a 14,000 mile car. 

[chaaargerb]

Leon. The car looks pretty nice 29.000 seems pretty low for an original 24,000 mile car with original sheet metal. Do you think a poor economy or the lack of being able to get financing was a factor?

Kern Dog,   (A 14,000 mile car would have a dusty or dirty engine bay but in that time it wouldn't be greasy.) Put a set of aluminum valve covers on a big block then put on 14.000 miles in the course of 5 or so years then send me some pics.

Somebody said something about a a one owner car. I posted that I'm the third owner. I did say it's basically a one owner car. What I meant was that the car is the same as when it was purchased for the original owners wife. If you look in the glove box the original owners sunglasses and house keys are still in there. the console has some tools,an extra set points,Dog in suds receipts, a library card,straws ect.. I did take the important stuff out like the owners manual,broadcast sheet and any other auto related paperwork. 

[chargerboy69]

 

You guys posted a black 69 charger that is on ebay that is already over 30,000 with 7 days to go and I can see it's a typical back yard resto.    

Yes, I posted it.  But if you read what I wrote the seller is leaving out a ton of stuff about the car to make it seem nicer than it is.  I have seen the car in person and I would say his car is a $20 car.  Not really a fair comparison when the seller is being deceptive.

I went back through completed listings on Ebay as around Thanksgiving there was a 68 R/T QQ1 up for auction.  It was about a eight year old rotisserie restoration, but still a beautiful car. . . . the underside was as shiny as the top.  If I remember correctly she brought $43000.00.

[chaaargerb]

Undercoating looks like a Zeibart job.  I can understand the aftermarket valve covers and manifold but shouldn't the carb spring still be turquoise?  A lot of paint gone from the power steering pump cap.  Shows too much wear and tear for a 14,000 mile car.  

I was puzzled why some people were questioning the miles (Greasy/paint missing) on the car until you mentioned about the carb spring bracket. Andy the original owner for some reason painted the top and front half of the motor gold when he put the aftermarket parts on. Didn't the late 50's and early 60's commando motors have gold paint on them? later when the gold paint started looking aged he just painted it black. That's my guess. For the missing paint on the power steering and top of the radiator Chrysler really didn't put much paint on anything let alone a power steering cap or radiator top. I've bought remanufactured power steering pumps that I accidentally overfilled and within a couple of days the spots I couldn't get wiped off the paint was already coming off.    

[Challenger340]

This thread is useless without more/better PICTURES ! 

If indeed the OP's Charger is in fact a well documented 14,000 original mile 1968 Charger R/T (and I have NO reason to believe otherwise), with a solid body, and it can be put back with the original parts present to "stock" condition, then detailed properly......
IMO,
some very good money would be realized at sale to collections.

IMO, No point comparing "restored" prices to UN-Restored "originals" on the open market ?

I know of, and have done work for 2 car collections, one of over 200 Cars, the other of 73 Cars.
And although they may Buy & Sell 25-30 Cars each yearly, the actual static "holds" that grow within the Collections are "originals" or those closest to it....
with,
many beautifully 'restored' examples merely acting as barter/trade/swap "currency" in pursuit of the best original examples to HOLD !

Just say'in....
if the OP's Car is as described..... some investment back to as close to stock as possible may be warranted ?

[Kern Dog]

Cast aluminum valve covers seal well, at least the ones that I have used. Maybe the casting process is better today that long before?

[INTMD8]

This thread is useless without more/better PICTURES ! 

Agreed. 

chaaargerb- It's not the camera, just take a few pics from a lot further back. Like, 6 inches 

[John_Kunkel]

There is a common habit to improperly call a car a "One owner" just because it has only been registered to one person.

I still fail to see this fascination with "one owner".  What's better, one owner who neglected and abused the car or a dozen owners who pampered it?