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68 Charger R/T 14,000 original miles WIW

Started by chaaargerb, February 12, 2017, 02:56:49 PM

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chaaargerb

Hello everyone. I don't know if this is the correct place to ask but I was looking to find out what a car might be worth.  The car is a 1968 Charger R/T with 14,000 miles on it. The car is QQ1 blue with a black vinyl top and black interior. Stripe Delete.It's a pretty basic R/T. It is a 440 automatic console shift car.Non air. The car has all the important paperwork. Window sticker, fender tag,bill of sale broadcast sheet,warranty book with warranty swipe card plus a bunch of other receipts. Car is numbers matching but had the typical early performance upgrades like headers,alum intake and valve covers,holley carb ect. Most of the original parts are with the car like intake,carb,exhaust manifolds,valve covers. The body is in original paint with no rust. The car has been stored it's whole life indoors. The body would need to have a fender and the hood repainted otherwise the body is beautiful. The interior is also in excellent condition. The car was last driven on the road around 2001 and that was only a few miles.

The car is a car that I have owned for about 15 years and haven't really done anything to it. I have restored many Mopars over the years but not one of this caliper.

In the last couple of months a have had a couple of different guys show up at my house asking about this car and if it was for sale. I've never really thought about selling the car so I never really gave them a price.

Recently I have been trying to finish up another long term project and it's getting to the point where time and desire are taking there toll.

I have seen a lot of rusty junk charger R/T's (no engines) selling for 15,000 to 20,000. I've seen what people call survivor cars with 318's and 383's that run and haven't really had anything done to them but still need quarters,trunks and everything else sell for 20,000 to 35,000. Then you have the Non Numbers matching no paperwork Taiwan/China everything (restored)Charger R/T's for 50,000 to 120,000.

So what would be an original 14,000 mile car like this be worth. Thanks for any help.





           

chargerboy69

After looking for 6 months I have an idea.  When you figure one out send me a PM.
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Sublime/Sixpack

It sounds as though it should be a pretty fair car, but difficult to tell much from the photos posted.
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hemi-hampton

Sounds similar to my car, my car needed a fender painted also, but had 24k instead of 14k & my interior needed work. Considering I had a hard time getting $29k for mine I would think yours is gotta be worth a little more then that. Without seeing better pics I would say maybe around $35k. I'm sure lots of others in here will call me crazy & say $50k+. I'm just baseing this on the experiance with my car mostly & 30+years experiance following the hobby & trends. The Idiots buying rust bucket basket cases for $10k+ don't realize how much time & money it takes to restore a car. So they overpay from the start & don't realize it until it's 10 years & $50k later. but by then it's to late. LEON.

P.S. Post better pics outside in daylight, not close ups in dark garage.

Dino

I have never seen original gauges that were not oxidized. Ever. Were these redone?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

69rtse4spd

More Pict's please, how many owners before you got it. For only 14,000 miles a lot of wrong stuff under the hood. I just looked at a one owner R.R 4-spd convertible with 104,300 miles on it, it was parked inside since 77, & it was all original, & very, very solid. As posted before more better Pict's when you can.     

hemi-hampton

Yeah, under the hood looks pretty beat up for only 14k miles. LEON.

6bblgt

14K miles - usually means the spare has never been out of the trunk or used - got pics?

chaaargerb

The car is in a large building and has been parked for years. I really can't get any better pictures. For some reason I can't get my camera to get better pictures.
The gauges are all original. The car is a lot better then it looks. I live on a gravel road and the dust is unbelievable. The engine compartment has never been detailed other then some plugs and a couple of other things. The engine compartment hasn't been touch since about 1972-3 that's when the receipts stopped. I am the 3rd owner but I was friends with the original owner and the second owner. Both passed away. The original owner passed in the early 90's then the second owner passed in 2001. The family gave me first option to buy the car. The second owner didn't do anything to the car other then keep it clean. I haven't done anything to it either so it's still basically a one owner car. As for the engine compartment it would only take a couple of weekends to clean it up. I do have the original removed parts. I think the rust free body, excellent interior, Documented 14,000 miles and all the paperwork out weighs a dirty engine compartment.  

You guys posted a black 69 charger that is on ebay that is already over 30,000 with 7 days to go and I can see it's a typical back yard resto.

Leon was your car an R/T? How long ago did you sell it?   Was it better then the black 69 that's already at 30,000 ?      

chaaargerb

Someone was saying the engine compartment looks dirty. What I think you looking at is factory undercoating on the fender walls. It does say on the window sticker that the car was order with factory undercoating. I friend of mine has a 69 1/2 bee that the fender walls look just like mine, his car is factory undercoated also.

hemi-hampton


"Leon was your car an R/T? How long ago did you sell it?   Was it better then the black 69 that's already at 30,000" ?


Yes my car was a R/T, all#'s matching, original paint, zero rust,ect. I sold it about 1 year ago. Pics below. LEON.

dual fours

I just see normal repairs like the positive battery cable clamp, dual belt pulley on the alternator and the radiator hose clamps and cap. Looks like a good car to me. More pictures would be a plus though. 
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6bblgt

what state or area of the country is this car in?

you are the third owner but comments like "it's still basically a one owner car" makes it sound like you enjoy stretching the truth  :cheers:

undercoated cars are on the undercarriage not "in" the engine compartment

Kern Dog

The OP may be a nice guy using terminology he heard others say.
Right. A 14,000 mile car would have a dusty or dirty engine bay but in that time it wouldn't be greasy.
I don't think I've seen engine bays undercoated before. The oil vapors from the engine serve as a great rust preventative!
There is a common habit to improperly call a car a "One owner" just because it has only been registered to one person. This annoys me because a car can have a series of short term owners with temporary tags. Each could have been pretty abusive or neglectful in their time with the car.

More pictures are needed to get a better estimate on value.

TheBipolarRoller

Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 13, 2017, 12:52:35 AM
Yes my car was a R/T, all#'s matching, original paint, zero rust,ect. I sold it about 1 year ago. Pics below. LEON.

Sweetness double H. :yesnod:

Challenger340

Low mileage and original survivor's are extremely difficult to find, and pricing can be equally frustrating, given, the lack of UN-restored reference examples with which to compare against ?
It is not like you can go just find 10 more "Un-restored, UN-rebuilt" Survivor's for sale and see what they are asking ?

More and detailed photos would be of great help here, nonetheless, if as "described" ..... well.... very unique asset !
IMO,
well north of $65K to the right buyer, once you have weeded away the riff-raff who WILL attempt to insist on "restored" Cars as price comparisons. (which by itself be the #1 chore in marketing to stay away from).



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Challenger340

Quote from: Dino on February 12, 2017, 08:29:29 PM
I have never seen original gauges that were not oxidized. Ever. Were these redone?

LOTS of well kept original examples still have NON-oxidized gauges.
Now you have seen "2" in one thread.

Only wimps wear Bowties !

hawkeye

Undercoating looks like a Zeibart job.  I can understand the aftermarket valve covers and manifold but shouldn't the carb spring still be turquoise?  A lot of paint gone from the power steering pump cap.  Shows too much wear and tear for a 14,000 mile car.  :Twocents:

chaaargerb

Leon. The car looks pretty nice 29.000 seems pretty low for an original 24,000 mile car with original sheet metal. Do you think a poor economy or the lack of being able to get financing was a factor?

Kern Dog,   (A 14,000 mile car would have a dusty or dirty engine bay but in that time it wouldn't be greasy.) Put a set of aluminum valve covers on a big block then put on 14.000 miles in the course of 5 or so years then send me some pics.

Somebody said something about a a one owner car. I posted that I'm the third owner. I did say it's basically a one owner car. What I meant was that the car is the same as when it was purchased for the original owners wife. If you look in the glove box the original owners sunglasses and house keys are still in there. the console has some tools,an extra set points,Dog in suds receipts, a library card,straws ect.. I did take the important stuff out like the owners manual,broadcast sheet and any other auto related paperwork. 

chargerboy69

Quote from: chaaargerb on February 12, 2017, 11:57:36 PM
 

You guys posted a black 69 charger that is on ebay that is already over 30,000 with 7 days to go and I can see it's a typical back yard resto.    


Yes, I posted it.  But if you read what I wrote the seller is leaving out a ton of stuff about the car to make it seem nicer than it is.  I have seen the car in person and I would say his car is a $20 car.  Not really a fair comparison when the seller is being deceptive.

I went back through completed listings on Ebay as around Thanksgiving there was a 68 R/T QQ1 up for auction.  It was about a eight year old rotisserie restoration, but still a beautiful car. . . . the underside was as shiny as the top.  If I remember correctly she brought $43000.00.
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chaaargerb

Quote from: hawkeye on February 13, 2017, 08:29:08 AM
Undercoating looks like a Zeibart job.  I can understand the aftermarket valve covers and manifold but shouldn't the carb spring still be turquoise?  A lot of paint gone from the power steering pump cap.  Shows too much wear and tear for a 14,000 mile car.  :Twocents:

I was puzzled why some people were questioning the miles (Greasy/paint missing) on the car until you mentioned about the carb spring bracket. Andy the original owner for some reason painted the top and front half of the motor gold when he put the aftermarket parts on. Didn't the late 50's and early 60's commando motors have gold paint on them? later when the gold paint started looking aged he just painted it black. That's my guess. For the missing paint on the power steering and top of the radiator Chrysler really didn't put much paint on anything let alone a power steering cap or radiator top. I've bought remanufactured power steering pumps that I accidentally overfilled and within a couple of days the spots I couldn't get wiped off the paint was already coming off.  :Twocents:  

Challenger340

This thread is useless without more/better PICTURES !  :Twocents:

If indeed the OP's Charger is in fact a well documented 14,000 original mile 1968 Charger R/T (and I have NO reason to believe otherwise), with a solid body, and it can be put back with the original parts present to "stock" condition, then detailed properly......
IMO,
some very good money would be realized at sale to collections.

IMO, No point comparing "restored" prices to UN-Restored "originals" on the open market ?

I know of, and have done work for 2 car collections, one of over 200 Cars, the other of 73 Cars.
And although they may Buy & Sell 25-30 Cars each yearly, the actual static "holds" that grow within the Collections are "originals" or those closest to it....
with,
many beautifully 'restored' examples merely acting as barter/trade/swap "currency" in pursuit of the best original examples to HOLD !

Just say'in....
if the OP's Car is as described..... some investment back to as close to stock as possible may be warranted ?


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Kern Dog

Cast aluminum valve covers seal well, at least the ones that I have used. Maybe the casting process is better today that long before?

INTMD8

Quote from: Challenger340 on February 13, 2017, 01:18:10 PM
This thread is useless without more/better PICTURES ! 

Agreed. 

chaaargerb- It's not the camera, just take a few pics from a lot further back. Like, 6 inches  :icon_smile_big:
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John_Kunkel

Quote from: Kern Dog on February 13, 2017, 02:26:10 AM
There is a common habit to improperly call a car a "One owner" just because it has only been registered to one person.

I still fail to see this fascination with "one owner".  What's better, one owner who neglected and abused the car or a dozen owners who pampered it?  :-\
Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

tan top

  wow sounds an interesting charger , that's for sure  :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:

...no offence  , we need to see a load or good pictures of everywhere .... well not just us , if you advertise it on ebay or  craigslist etc  , so will other real buyers .... will want to see it & judge  etc   , before they travel anywhere ... 2 hundered or 1000 miles  or  more away ....   :Twocents:

Good luck , with what ever you decide  :cheers:
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

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alfaitalia

So true. A common phrase in UK car ads is "one careful owner"......I like to add..."and eight who really couldn't give a f*** !



BOT...By the photos alone I would like hard evidence of that mileage.....looks to have done way more....especially the engine bay. My untouched, never cleaned, 147,000 mile Mercedes DD engine looks cleaner and that's after 14 salty British winters. Not saying it isn't 14k car....it just doesn't look it.
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Chargen69

the only way you can claim 14,000 original miles is to have copies of the original titles as the car was transfered from one owner to the next so the miles could be documented.

otherwise, nobody is going to believe that with the way the engine bay looks.

not trying to be mean, just telling you what you need

Dino

Quote from: Challenger340 on February 13, 2017, 08:17:15 AM
Quote from: Dino on February 12, 2017, 08:29:29 PM
I have never seen original gauges that were not oxidized. Ever. Were these redone?

LOTS of well kept original examples still have NON-oxidized gauges.
Now you have seen "2" in one thread.



Yep and now learned that this is possible! I always believed that the gauges would oxidize no matter what. I stand corrected.   :2thumbs:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

hemi-hampton

"Leon. The car looks pretty nice 29.000 seems pretty low for an original 24,000 mile car with original sheet metal. Do you think a poor economy or the lack of being able to get financing was a factor?"


Well, When I first had it for sale in 2010 it was the poor economy. BUT, By late 2015 economy not so bad & Charger prices going up. I been told by many if it was a 4 speed it would of sold along time ago, Also been told nobody wants a ugly brown car & if it was a different color would of sold along time ago. Really it's alot of different factors to numerous to list here with out writing a book. The only way to know what yours is worth is put on ebay or Auction, As the saying goes only worth what someone is willing to pay. I have a Question, you say can't take better pics. Stored in garage or whatever it's in. Then why don't you drive it out of garage or barn & take better pics. Curious, does this car run or drive? LEON.

XS29LA47V21

Quote from: Challenger340 on February 13, 2017, 07:51:30 AM
Low mileage and original survivor's are extremely difficult to find, and pricing can be equally frustrating, given, the lack of UN-restored reference examples with which to compare against ?
It is not like you can go just find 10 more "Un-restored, UN-rebuilt" Survivor's for sale and see what they are asking ?

More and detailed photos would be of great help here, nonetheless, if as "described" ..... well.... very unique asset !
IMO,
well north of $65K to the right buyer, once you have weeded away the riff-raff who WILL attempt to insist on "restored" Cars as price comparisons. (which by itself be the #1 chore in marketing to stay away from).





Agreed.  Looking specifically at a model year like say 68-69s with a base perspective of an RT and a nice color, there are so few available or "buyable" unrestored really nice cars out there.  They are so... so few and far between.  Anything with true original factory paint or maybe at least 1/2 original paint are extremely rare and are certainly more common in green/bronzes/gold in my perspective (Calm down...not hating on a green cars.. I have one too and dig it too). We are seeing just a glimpse of your car and from what I can see and if it is really factory original paint, it is very nice.  Although it sounds like it needs the front clip painted maybe which will impact its value to some.

I probably have in the moment maybe a good perspective for you with my factory original paint RT and my price (see link below).  A car buddy is helping me offer it for sale on another site.  Grumpy internet haters or not, my car has had a pretty good life for a blue car in the last 40 years, living inside with two owners who tried to care for it well (no barn find).  My car is almost 50 and driven, so it does have some flaws and some "character".  Although I am sure I have caused wear too during my stint.  I love my car and I still think it as a super great car for me, but maintaining an original paint car is proving to me as difficult and thinking of other uphill opportunities are my only real reasons for offering it for sale.  You could look at my car for some perspective on it and to say my offered price is not the deal of the day is probably true, is not a fire sale, dealer selling, nor does it state OBO.

You have a great color.  One more thought which I might be the minority on.... but, I think at this moment the range could be an easily 20k on a 440 RT with a color, a sunroof with options, 4spd car or some great stack of options which are desired by wanting discriminating Charger buyer.  I have given strong money in my past for a great car and never regretted it to this day.

Good luck.  Would love to see more photos of a nice car.

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Homerr

Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 13, 2017, 05:47:51 PM
"Leon. The car looks pretty nice 29.000 seems pretty low for an original 24,000 mile car with original sheet metal. Do you think a poor economy or the lack of being able to get financing was a factor?"


Well, When I first had it for sale in 2010 it was the poor economy. BUT, By late 2015 economy not so bad & Charger prices going up. I been told by many if it was a 4 speed it would of sold along time ago, Also been told nobody wants a ugly brown car & if it was a different color would of sold along time ago. Really it's alot of different factors to numerous to list here with out writing a book. The only way to know what yours is worth is put on ebay or Auction, As the saying goes only worth what someone is willing to pay. I have a Question, you say can't take better pics. Stored in garage or whatever it's in. Then why don't you drive it out of garage or barn & take better pics. Curious, does this car run or drive? LEON.

Leon, straight-up your ad was terrible.  It noted "damage" but the pics showed the undamaged areas of the car.  Adding to the confusion is that you're a paint and auto body guy, why not fix it?  We had a couple of q/a interactions about your car but you never posted a pic of the "damage" or really explained why you had a damaged car.  You had a weird vibe going on and I think your car was worth $8-10k more (at the time) if you would have put $1,000 out of pocket in to it to fix it.

As for OP:  $30k if it's a low-mile worn/scratched/aged/cracked no-rust example that really needs everything touched to be presentable...$60k if it shines up nicely, perfectly detailed out as a proper Day1 or Day2 car, and looks like a true 14k mile example with only minimal wear?

surmanajaja

Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 13, 2017, 05:47:51 PM
"Leon. The car looks pretty nice 29.000 seems pretty low for an original 24,000 mile car with original sheet metal. Do you think a poor economy or the lack of being able to get financing was a factor?"


Well, When I first had it for sale in 2010 it was the poor economy. BUT, By late 2015 economy not so bad & Charger prices going up. I been told by many if it was a 4 speed it would of sold along time ago, Also been told nobody wants a ugly brown car & if it was a different color would of sold along time ago. Really it's alot of different factors to numerous to list here with out writing a book. The only way to know what yours is worth is put on ebay or Auction, As the saying goes only worth what someone is willing to pay. I have a Question, you say can't take better pics. Stored in garage or whatever it's in. Then why don't you drive it out of garage or barn & take better pics. Curious, does this car run or drive? LEON.

Leon, I looked at your ad many times but I thought the car was already sold or you didnt really want to sell it, when it was in cars-online for years...to me it seemed too good to be true..I was really surprised when I saw the post that You had finally sold it.


hemi-hampton

Quote from: Homerr on February 14, 2017, 01:38:27 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 13, 2017, 05:47:51 PM
"Leon. The car looks pretty nice 29.000 seems pretty low for an original 24,000 mile car with original sheet metal. Do you think a poor economy or the lack of being able to get financing was a factor?"


Well, When I first had it for sale in 2010 it was the poor economy. BUT, By late 2015 economy not so bad & Charger prices going up. I been told by many if it was a 4 speed it would of sold along time ago, Also been told nobody wants a ugly brown car & if it was a different color would of sold along time ago. Really it's alot of different factors to numerous to list here with out writing a book. The only way to know what yours is worth is put on ebay or Auction, As the saying goes only worth what someone is willing to pay. I have a Question, you say can't take better pics. Stored in garage or whatever it's in. Then why don't you drive it out of garage or barn & take better pics. Curious, does this car run or drive? LEON.

Leon, straight-up your ad was terrible.  It noted "damage" but the pics showed the undamaged areas of the car.  Adding to the confusion is that you're a paint and auto body guy, why not fix it?  We had a couple of q/a interactions about your car but you never posted a pic of the "damage" or really explained why you had a damaged car.  You had a weird vibe going on and I think your car was worth $8-10k more (at the time) if you would have put $1,000 out of pocket in to it to fix it.

As for OP:  $30k if it's a low-mile worn/scratched/aged/cracked no-rust example that really needs everything touched to be presentable...$60k if it shines up nicely, perfectly detailed out as a proper Day1 or Day2 car, and looks like a true 14k mile example with only minimal wear?


The site I listed in sucked. it would only let me post like 3 pics max & then would not let me revise pics or ad & had strict limitations for the fee I paid. Also ad did show pic of damage. Any one that asked for more pics got about 30 pics of all areas. As another member in here said he got plenty of pics from me. you never asked for any pics. You keep raging on my car & not even interested in it. LATER.

hemi-hampton

Quote from: surmanajaja on February 14, 2017, 12:43:29 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 13, 2017, 05:47:51 PM
"Leon. The car looks pretty nice 29.000 seems pretty low for an original 24,000 mile car with original sheet metal. Do you think a poor economy or the lack of being able to get financing was a factor?"


Well, When I first had it for sale in 2010 it was the poor economy. BUT, By late 2015 economy not so bad & Charger prices going up. I been told by many if it was a 4 speed it would of sold along time ago, Also been told nobody wants a ugly brown car & if it was a different color would of sold along time ago. Really it's alot of different factors to numerous to list here with out writing a book. The only way to know what yours is worth is put on ebay or Auction, As the saying goes only worth what someone is willing to pay. I have a Question, you say can't take better pics. Stored in garage or whatever it's in. Then why don't you drive it out of garage or barn & take better pics. Curious, does this car run or drive? LEON.

Leon, I looked at your ad many times but I thought the car was already sold or you didnt really want to sell it, when it was in cars-online for years...to me it seemed too good to be true..I was really surprised when I saw the post that You had finally sold it.



Long story I hate to rehash all the time. When I first listed it in 2010 the economy was bad & everybody losing there house to forclosure. at least here in Michigan & Detroit, Not sure about the rest of the world. SO, Everybody that contacted me in 2010 & after was just hoping I was some poor sucker losing his house to foreclosure & needing money bad to save it. So they would all low ball me a offer of $15,000 cash hoping I'm desperate & would take it. This gets very tiresome after about 100 times. Was not losing my house & really didn't need to sell so in no rush to take a low ball offer. After 5 years I only got 2 guys really Interested & serious. Both at the same time wanted it. Only one guy had the money & came through. Anybody else in line past 5 years could of done the same thing but just didn't want to. The story's more complicated & would make more sense if I thoroughly explained but who wants to hear all about my personal life. LEON.

hemi-hampton

Pic of my Charger the day I sold it. Pic taken about 1 minute before it got loaded onto the 18 wheeler car hauler. Pic shows the wasted smashed up damaged front end Homer keeps wanting to talk about. And yes that's the bad damaged side. LEON.

Homerr

Leon, I did inquire because I was interested in a 4-speed and the ad didn't say either way.  Maybe it came off as some sort of attack a couple of years ago, but it was not meant to be.  IIRC you posted an ad here on DC (finally?) and I was, with good intent, prodding you to post some pics of your car.  I wanted to see you get a fair price for it.  This pic here is the clearest I've seen to date. 

chaaargerb

Quote from: Chargen69 on February 13, 2017, 04:49:59 PM
the only way you can claim 14,000 original miles is to have copies of the original titles as the car was transfered from one owner to the next so the miles could be documented.

otherwise, nobody is going to believe that with the way the engine bay looks.

not trying to be mean, just telling you what you need


Chargen69  I don't know what state your in but in my state  if a car is over 10 years old it is mileage exempt. The car has had 3 titles. Original that would have 0 miles, the 2nd title was registered around 1994 (26 years later) that has on miles listed (mileage exempt) and my title also mileage exempt.  

chaaargerb

Thanks to all that were helpful. At this time I'm going to wait until the weather gets better and I have some time to clean and detail the car. I have used a company in the past that does estimates and numbers verification's, when their done you get an 8 to 10 page booklet with hi def picks and everything you could think of and they don't charge the big bucks like the Mopar Guru's do.  Thanks again  :2thumbs:  

Mytur Binsdirti

I've used those companies before for insurance reasons & during their on-site evaluation, they've always asked me what I think the car is worth & the (honest) opinion I give is pretty much what they write it up as.

Chargen69

Quote from: chaaargerb on February 15, 2017, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: Chargen69 on February 13, 2017, 04:49:59 PM
the only way you can claim 14,000 original miles is to have copies of the original titles as the car was transfered from one owner to the next so the miles could be documented.

otherwise, nobody is going to believe that with the way the engine bay looks.

not trying to be mean, just telling you what you need


Chargen69  I don't know what state your in but in my state  if a car is over 10 years old it is mileage exempt. The car has had 3 titles. Original that would have 0 miles, the 2nd title was registered around 1994 (26 years later) that has on miles listed (mileage exempt) and my title also mileage exempt.  


I'm in SC but what I was saying was, if I'm looking at a 14,000 mile car to buy and pay a premium for it, there better be a real paper trail about the mileage.  I contacted north carolina dmv once about a car I had and since the car stayed in NC until I bought it, they sent me a copy of every time the title changed hands and you could watch the mileage go up, even though it was exempt as well

PS in SC when you check mileage exempt, it means it rolled over

Chargen69

Quote from: hawkeye on February 13, 2017, 08:29:08 AM
Undercoating looks like a Zeibart job.  I can understand the aftermarket valve covers and manifold but shouldn't the carb spring still be turquoise?  A lot of paint gone from the power steering pump cap.  Shows too much wear and tear for a 14,000 mile car.  :Twocents:

:iagree:

chaaargerb

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on February 15, 2017, 12:54:10 PM
I've used those companies before for insurance reasons & during their on-site evaluation, they've always asked me what I think the car is worth & the (honest) opinion I give is pretty much what they write it up as.

Your absolutely right. The difference between this one and a couple of other ones I have had on the car over the years is that this one was done thru the estate. I didn't pay for it. The 2nd owner had a very nice collection. He had 3 Chargers that were appraised to settle the estate. The other 2 were a 70 Charger R/T 440, 4 speed 410 car and a 71 Charger R/T  Air grabber car with radio delete. The person in charge of the estate picked the company and paid them. When the appraisals came back they showed them to me and I about fainted. I was hoping to get the 68 and the 70 but after they had them appraised I was barely able to buy the 68. Lets just say the wife wasn't to happy when I told her we had to refinance the house.    

chaaargerb

 
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I'm in SC but what I was saying was, if I'm looking at a 14,000 mile car to buy and pay a premium for it, there better be a real paper trail about the mileage.  I contacted north carolina dmv once about a car I had and since the car stayed in NC until I bought it, they sent me a copy of every time the title changed hands and you could watch the mileage go up, even though it was exempt as well

PS in SC when you check mileage exempt, it means it rolled over
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I think I have plenty of paperwork for the car.

Mytur Binsdirti


TheBipolarRoller

Impressive Chaaaargerb. You should be proud to own such a sweet car [and all that really cool paperwork]. I especially like the Scat Pack of Zion. That has got to be pretty rare in my opinion.  I am looking forward to warmer weather and high definition pictures.  :popcrn:

Challenger340

Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 14, 2017, 07:38:21 PM
Pic of my Charger the day I sold it. Pic taken about 1 minute before it got loaded onto the 18 wheeler car hauler. Pic shows the wasted smashed up damaged front end Homer keeps wanting to talk about. And yes that's the bad damaged side. LEON.

I said it back at that time, and I can say it again now..... IMO, LEON's 2nd Gen Charger was the best deal available ANYWHERE on the planet back at that time ?
I couldn't believe it wasn't already snapped up/long gone as a 24K original mileage Car before it was for $29K on this forum ?
I even thought about buying it as a 2nd investment on general f***'ing principle !

Nonetheless, my point being.....
the $29K Sale price of LEON's Car, IMO, is absolutely irrelevant to current events, and highly unlikely to be used successfully as any kind of current "market" price setting comparison example ? although many may try in acquisition attempts ? and you can't really blame them ?

There are always "good deals", and there are always prices both parties are happy with at a given time/circumstance.... which affect averages up or down.
But overall... IMO...
True Survivor examples, and even just UN-restored Original examples in OK shape, are a very limited resource, devoid of the said "averaged" price comparison, and subjective to the more uniquely limited supply/demand category given adequate marketing/exposure.

BTW, NICE Documentation you have there on that '68 R/T  :2thumbs:  
Only wimps wear Bowties !

alfaitalia

Quote from: chaaargerb on February 15, 2017, 02:57:54 PM
 
I'm in SC but what I was saying was, if I'm looking at a 14,000 mile car to buy and pay a premium for it, there better be a real paper trail about the mileage.  I contacted north carolina dmv once about a car I had and since the car stayed in NC until I bought it, they sent me a copy of every time the title changed hands and you could watch the mileage go up, even though it was exempt as well

PS in SC when you check mileage exempt, it means it rolled over
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I think I have plenty of paperwork for the car.
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Cool...but does any of that paperwork 100% prove that the (imo frankly extremely unlikely) mileage is accurate beyond any reasonable doubt?
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you !!


chaaargerb


Cool...but does any of that paperwork 100% prove that the (imo frankly extremely unlikely) mileage is accurate beyond any reasonable doubt? [/quote]

I guess there will always be non believers. The people that made a huge mistake when purchasing some POS off line without inspecting a car in person. Must have been burned pretty bad (imo frankly extremely likely) or just a keyboard troll who doesn't have a clue. When the time comes to sell the car your more then welcome to come out and decide for yourself. But make sure you bring cash cause I don't take checks. What do the used car salesman always say Trust Me!  :nana:  

Chargen69


chaaargerb

Sorry if I offended anyone. I come from a time when a persons word actually meant something. (until proven different) If you said something it was actually the truth. The post was "What's it's worth" Not "This guys a lair". Or Prove it. This car is very rare and one of a kind. I was willing to share the car with the people on this site. By stating the miles are not what I say they are your calling me a lair. I do take offence to that. The 2 previous owners were very close friends who were true Mopar guys (when mopars weren't cool). I have many wonderful stories about this car that I will share with the next owner. My friends both died very young 45 and 42 They both loved and cared for this car the same as I do. When this car does go up for sale it will be sold to someone who will appreciate and cherish it or I'm going to be the one who will profit it from it not some BS car flipper.  When my time comes and I see them again they will know that all the time we spent to persevere this car was not in vain.
     

sean257

Without any other pictures, to answer your question, I'd guess it to be worth $45-$55k.  I'd also guess that you think it might be worth a fair bit more than that.  If you have people showing up at your house asking about a car, that is buried in a garage somewhere else, tell them $90k, or $1m...

You may have offended everyone that doesn't have an unrestored, numbers matching 14,000 mile survivor R/T...

"I have seen a lot of rusty junk charger R/T's (no engines) selling for 15,000 to 20,000. I've seen what people call survivor cars with 318's and 383's that run and haven't really had anything done to them but still need quarters,trunks and everything else sell for 20,000 to 35,000. Then you have the Non Numbers matching no paperwork Taiwan/China everything (restored)Charger R/T's for 50,000 to 120,000."

"The people that made a huge mistake when purchasing some POS off line without inspecting a car in person. Must have been burned pretty bad (imo frankly extremely likely) or just a keyboard troll who doesn't have a clue. When the time comes to sell the car your more then welcome to come out and decide for yourself. But make sure you bring cash cause I don't take checks."

I personally have not noticed any non matching cars going for 50-120k, but I may not pay enough attention. I will take 50 for my non matching R/T if anyone is interested.

You ask for what it is worth, but show a copy of an appraisal (all be it a 15 year old one I presume) in one of the posts, and "I was barely able to buy the 68. Lets just say the wife wasn't to happy when I told her we had to refinance the house."   It really sounds like you should have a pretty good idea of what it is worth.   

"When this car does go up for sale it will be sold to someone who will appreciate and cherish it or I'm going to be the one who will profit it from it"  I'm not even sure what to say.  If someone tells you they will cherish it, you will sell it to them for cheap?  That is super cool, but not the vibe I am getting from all of this.  If that is the case though, I'd say $32k for a cherisher.







alfaitalia

Quote from: chaaargerb on February 15, 2017, 08:31:36 PM
Sorry if I offended anyone. I come from a time when a persons word actually meant something. (until proven different) If you said something it was actually the truth. The post was "What's it's worth" Not "This guys a lair". Or Prove it. This car is very rare and one of a kind. I was willing to share the car with the people on this site. By stating the miles are not what I say they are your calling me a lair. I do take offence to that. The 2 previous owners were very close friends who were true Mopar guys (when mopars weren't cool). I have many wonderful stories about this car that I will share with the next owner. My friends both died very young 45 and 42 They both loved and cared for this car the same as I do. When this car does go up for sale it will be sold to someone who will appreciate and cherish it or I'm going to be the one who will profit it from it not some BS car flipper.  When my time comes and I see them again they will know that all the time we spent to persevere this car was not in vain.
     

I'm not calling you or anyone else a liar. You asked how much it's worth as 14,000 mile car. Now if was coming round with cash in my pocket (I'm not by the way as I have my car now and you are an ocean away...!) you saying it's a 14000 m car would not be enough for me to pay the extra that such a low miles car would undoubtedly be worth. Before handing over the cash I would want evidence that the miles are real beyond reasonable doubt. Something that I have not seen in this thread yet....in fact the engine pic goes against that claim in my eyes...but as had been said the pics are so poor you cant really tell a lot....but I will say this...my 150,000 mile plus motor (could be much more as I also have no evidence....it's not going back in so I don't care...no matching No.s etc) looked loads cleaner and more original than that and had been in place since the mid seventies and driven at least 100 k. So to answer your original posted question about value would almost totally depend on being able to prove the miles.
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you !!

Dino

Quote from: chaaargerb on February 15, 2017, 08:31:36 PM
Sorry if I offended anyone. I come from a time when a persons word actually meant something. (until proven different) If you said something it was actually the truth. The post was "What's it's worth" Not "This guys a lair". Or Prove it. This car is very rare and one of a kind. I was willing to share the car with the people on this site. By stating the miles are not what I say they are your calling me a lair. I do take offence to that. The 2 previous owners were very close friends who were true Mopar guys (when mopars weren't cool). I have many wonderful stories about this car that I will share with the next owner. My friends both died very young 45 and 42 They both loved and cared for this car the same as I do. When this car does go up for sale it will be sold to someone who will appreciate and cherish it or I'm going to be the one who will profit it from it not some BS car flipper.  When my time comes and I see them again they will know that all the time we spent to persevere this car was not in vain.
     

I understand your position but I cannot just accept something just because you said it. Too many people have been burnt in this hobby, and countless other aspects of life, because they want to believe what they hear. That doesn't mean that what you say isn't true, it may very well be. But how would we know? We don't know you, you could be selling us some bs story for all we know! You can't blame people for being skeptical.

We have seen so many unicorns that were all fake so accepting one is unlikely to happen without evidence. It would certainly help to see more, and better, pictures. If only to give you a hypothetical wiw if this truly is such a low mileage car. I can give you the benefit of the doubt and believe what you say because I won't be in the market for it, but I hope you can show a prospective buyer a whole lot more. When this much cash is involved, your word alone will simply not suffice.

Know that it will be next to impossible to ensure that this car is going to the home you want. That's just not something you can control. I cringe thinking my car may one day end up painted orange but it will be out of my hands.

I hope the car is the real deal, that it will find a good home, and that it will bring what it is worth.   :2thumbs:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

hemi-hampton

Quote from: chaaargerb on February 12, 2017, 02:56:49 PM
Hello everyone. I don't know if this is the correct place to ask but I was looking to find out what a car might be worth.  The car is a 1968 Charger R/T with 14,000 miles on it. The car is QQ1 blue with a black vinyl top and black interior. Stripe Delete.It's a pretty basic R/T. It is a 440 automatic console shift car.Non air. The car has all the important paperwork. Window sticker, fender tag,bill of sale broadcast sheet,warranty book with warranty swipe card plus a bunch of other receipts. Car is numbers matching but had the typical early performance upgrades like headers,alum intake and valve covers,holley carb ect. Most of the original parts are with the car like intake,carb,exhaust manifolds,valve covers. The body is in original paint with no rust. The car has been stored it's whole life indoors. The body would need to have a fender and the hood repainted otherwise the body is beautiful. The interior is also in excellent condition. The car was last driven on the road around 2001 and that was only a few miles.

The car is a car that I have owned for about 15 years and haven't really done anything to it. I have restored many Mopars over the years but not one of this caliper.

In the last couple of months a have had a couple of different guys show up at my house asking about this car and if it was for sale. I've never really thought about selling the car so I never really gave them a price.

Recently I have been trying to finish up another long term project and it's getting to the point where time and desire are taking there toll.

I have seen a lot of rusty junk charger R/T's (no engines) selling for 15,000 to 20,000. I've seen what people call survivor cars with 318's and 383's that run and haven't really had anything done to them but still need quarters,trunks and everything else sell for 20,000 to 35,000. Then you have the Non Numbers matching no paperwork Taiwan/China everything (restored)Charger R/T's for 50,000 to 120,000.

So what would be an original 14,000 mile car like this be worth. Thanks for any help.





           


I have 2 questions. Does the car Run & drive good? What do you think it is worth? LEON.