68 charger body but 69 vin?

[crj1968]

How can they get away with selling these things....it's like murder! 



It's a car part. 

[charger01]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=127599.100;num_replies=114

kinda on topic, but this 68s vin matches the radiator support??? did they change that mid year or something?

This link leads to posting a reply to this thread? 

Luke

Because it was stated earlier that 68 core supports did not match the VIN. That is why?? This one clearly does.

It clearly does not. There is a number stamped on the 68s - but it's the VON from the fender tag and not the VIN from the dash.

Troy

its the same sequence number on the radiator support and the fender tag is it not???

[Troy]

But wait, one more simple question;  Yes or No.

Are the thousands and thousands of guys that bought new tubs for their Jeeps or new cabs for their trucks, felons?    

While I am not a lawyer... it depends on your state. I know the procedure here in Ohio and it is legal - assuming you follow the rules (which I highly doubt most people do). In Michigan, for example, it is illegal to even possess rosette rivets. But I am sure that even they have a process for repairing cars where the VIN numbers are compromised. Honestly, replacing a body tub with NO numbers is probably safer than say, a replacement cab from a junkyard down south. Most states allow for salvage yards to dismantle and sell car parts with identifying marks while still providing enough teeth to go after "chop shops". There's a legal way to do most anything.

Again, I know it happens. I understand why it happens. I'm not telling people what they can and can't do. I'm just pointing out that there may be consequences. I think the OP has figured it out so whatever decision they make will at least be an informed one.

FYI - if it seems as if I'm being too harsh be aware that, at times, I get letters from lawyers about things posted on the site. (Word to the wise, never post anything here - or anywhere online - that can be detrimental during your divorce proceedings.) While I like most everyone, I am not willing to spend my time or money protecting them (although I have a good idea of what I can ignore).

Troy

[crj1968]

But wait, one more simple question;  Yes or No.

Are the thousands and thousands of guys that bought new tubs for their Jeeps or new cabs for their trucks, felons?    

While I am not a lawyer... it depends on your state. I know the procedure here in Ohio and it is legal - assuming you follow the rules (which I highly doubt most people do). In Michigan, for example, it is illegal to even possess rosette rivets. But I am sure that even they have a process for repairing cars where the VIN numbers are compromised. Honestly, replacing a body tub with NO numbers is probably safer than say, a replacement cab from a junkyard down south. Most states allow for salvage yards to dismantle and sell car parts with identifying marks while still providing enough teeth to go after "chop shops". There's a legal way to do most anything.

Again, I know it happens. I understand why it happens. I'm not telling people what they can and can't do. I'm just pointing out that there may be consequences. I think the OP has figured it out so whatever decision they make will at least be an informed one.

FYI - if it seems as if I'm being too harsh be aware that, at times, I get letters from lawyers about things posted on the site. (Word to the wise, never post anything here - or anywhere online - that can be detrimental during your divorce proceedings.) While I like most everyone, I am not willing to spend my time or money protecting them (although I have a good idea of what I can ignore).

Troy

  All good here Troy, to me it is an interesting discussion. 
I am not trying to support any criminal activity...but I DO know in Idaho a new tub or dynacorn body is just a part to them.

Buyer beware....always.

[Troy]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=127599.100;num_replies=114

kinda on topic, but this 68s vin matches the radiator support??? did they change that mid year or something?

This link leads to posting a reply to this thread? 

Luke

Because it was stated earlier that 68 core supports did not match the VIN. That is why?? This one clearly does.

It clearly does not. There is a number stamped on the 68s - but it's the VON from the fender tag and not the VIN from the dash.

Troy

its the same sequence number on the radiator support and the fender tag is it not???

I am confused. Maybe we're looking at different things. There is a VIN (identification number) and a VON/SON (order number) belonging to a car. On 69 and later cars the VIN is on the dash, the fender tag, and the body, engine, and transmission stampings. Earlier than that, the VIN is on the dash and possibly the engine and transmission but NOT on the fender tag or body. The VON/SON is on the fender tag stamped on the body. Therefore, the body stamping won't match the VIN on the dash. Your link was back to this thread and this car has a 1969 VIN, no fender tag (that I have seen), and a body stamping that won't look like any 69 and later VIN (and actually identifies it as a 68). I'm sure the body stamping does match some fender tag somewhere - but not the fender tag that belongs to the VIN number.

Troy

[charger01]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Dodge-Charger-/302224907959?forcerrptr=true&hash=item465e021eb7:g:y4MAAOSwr~lYo1iI&item=302224907959

Iam confused and just trying to understand is all.  This 68 currently on ebay.  The radiator support and vin appear to match to me?? what am i missing?

[Troy]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Dodge-Charger-/302224907959?forcerrptr=true&hash=item465e021eb7:g:y4MAAOSwr~lYo1iI&item=302224907959

Iam confused and just trying to understand is all.  This 68 currently on ebay.  The radiator support and vin appear to match to me?? what am i missing?

Where do you see the VIN? It isn't complete in the details and there's no pictures of the dash or engine stamping. In 1968, the bottom right hand corner of the fender tag has the SON - NOT VIN. That number does match the radiator support for this car.

Just FYI the VIN sequence starts at 100001 each year so 058606 couldn't be a valid VIN any way.

Troy

[charger01]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Dodge-Charger-/302224907959?forcerrptr=true&hash=item465e021eb7:g:y4MAAOSwr~lYo1iI&item=302224907959

Iam confused and just trying to understand is all.  This 68 currently on ebay.  The radiator support and vin appear to match to me?? what am i missing?

Where do you see the VIN? It isn't complete in the details and there's no pictures of the dash or engine stamping. In 1968, the bottom right hand corner of the fender tag has the SON - NOT VIN. That number does match the radiator support for this car.

Just FYI the VIN sequence starts at 100001 each year so 058606 couldn't be a valid VIN any way.

Troy
sorta understand , thank you, i guess I saw the xp on the fender tag and assumed it was the entire vin.  Learn something new every day.

[cdr]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Dodge-Charger-/302224907959?forcerrptr=true&hash=item465e021eb7:g:y4MAAOSwr~lYo1iI&item=302224907959

Iam confused and just trying to understand is all.  This 68 currently on ebay.  The radiator support and vin appear to match to me?? what am i missing?

Where do you see the VIN? It isn't complete in the details and there's no pictures of the dash or engine stamping. In 1968, the bottom right hand corner of the fender tag has the SON - NOT VIN. That number does match the radiator support for this car.

Just FYI the VIN sequence starts at 100001 each year so 058606 couldn't be a valid VIN any way.

Troy


sorta understand , thank you, i guess I saw the xp on the fender tag and assumed it was the entire vin.  Learn something new every day.

I have a 68,,the body stamping is 171033, the fender tag has 171033,  the vin on the dash is XP29G8B424288, 69 up has the vin # on body,dash,and fender tag.

[Y1CHARGER]

awwww y1charger you are special, you just compared a guy wanting to restore his jeep by replacing the shell on the same level of crime as a guy committing a murder  now i know whats wrong with you...

CB, you need to learn to read. Here's the quote that I was referring to in my lat post "you have a rusty XS29L9 Charger R/T.  You have a clean 318 Charger and you cut out the core support, trunk gutter, etc and carefully make the welds as good as any other restoration.  You document all this and disclose full history to all buyers.  What's it worth?  Not as much as an original car.  Either way, you have disclosed the complete history, photos, etc.  I suspect that no one will give a darn."

The comparison to murder is the same for any crime, If you document it, it does not make it legal.  So clearly Bill Murry is talking to you! Good luck with your chop shop, looks like you have plenty of work ahead of you, and if not maybe the prison you'll end up in will.  

[Lennard]

  Mommy packed your lunch... it's time to get to school kiddo.

[cbrestorations]

the comparison for murder is the same for any crime??? oh y1charger how special you are    oh guess what, im gonna be converting a 68 coronet into a charger and its gonna have a charger vin because its gonna be the whole top half of a charger not even removing body stampings, gonna be 100 percent legal too. im gonna name it the y1charger special. i like that lol. chop shop...you must be liberal, assuming with no proof or facts. so ur a special kind of stupid liberal. keep replying...i could have a hay day with you. you have to be committing a felony to go to prison, since im not...i wont. but on the other hand, thinking murder is the same as vin swapping, you have a total fucked up look on criminal activity, makes me wonder if you wont be a cerial killer or rapist in ur future. i think you might need to see a therapist. its for your own good.

[cbrestorations]

lennard may be right...short bus funny farm for y1charger 

[Y1CHARGER]

the comparison for murder is the same for any crime??? oh y1charger how special you are    oh guess what, im gonna be converting a 68 coronet into a charger and its gonna have a charger vin because its gonna be the whole top half of a charger not even removing body stampings, gonna be 100 percent legal too. im gonna name it the y1charger special. i like that lol. chop shop...you must be liberal, assuming with no proof or facts. so ur a special kind of stupid liberal. keep replying...i could have a hay day with you. you have to be committing a felony to go to prison, since im not...i wont. but on the other hand, thinking murder is the same as vin swapping, you have a total fucked up look on criminal activity, makes me wonder if you wont be a cerial killer or rapist in ur future. i think you might need to see a therapist. its for your own good.

CB, You really are slow and I'm not wasting anymore time trying to explain, good luck to you.  these are not thumbs this time

[cbrestorations]

 

[TheBipolarRoller]

awwww y1charger you are special, you just compared a guy wanting to restore his jeep by replacing the shell on the same level of crime as a guy committing a murder   now i know whats wrong with you...

Actually no he did not. He was just pointing out that both things are illegal: Period. But since VIN swapping is the lesser of the two evils, and seemingly condoned by millions, and sort of winked at by certain law enforcement, then that makes it okay some of the time. You are legitimizing an illegal act "because so and so does it", because thousands have done, because VI numbers are on motors, tranny's, and other parts of the car too, and they are swapped out regularly. Then you teach this illegality to the next generation and they see it as okay because you have always gotten away with, or provide numerous examples of well-known people who have done it and gotten away with it. Trying to legitimize illegal acts is what is called searing your conscience. God created you with a conscience to know what is right and what is wrong. Whenever you step over that line into wrong-doing you dull your conscience [that says 'this is wrong, don't do it'] a little bit more each time. Pretty soon you can't even hear it. And the result is a seared conscience where wrong is right and right is wrong.
What happened to "This is wrong son, I do not want you to even step near "the line" or associate with those who do?

[Lennard]

Better go to church and pray that cb will see his wrong doing and get on the right path again.  

[TheBipolarRoller]

Better go to church and pray that cb will see his wrong doing and get on the right path again.  

I do not judge people. They do that to themselves by their own words and actions.

I am emphasizing the illegal act of VIN swapping. Others here seem to want to legitimize it. That is their choice.

[cbrestorations]

had to of done something wrong first... i guess if fixing chargers is wrong...im guilty as fuck 

[TheBipolarRoller]

had to of done something wrong first... i guess if fixing chargers is wrong...im guilty as fuck  

It does not matter that you have not done any VIN swaps. You are advocating doing it. You are damaging your own reputation. Whether you do better restorations than anybody on the planet is not the issue. You can't even control your mouth on a family friendly site. If you cannot do that how can we expect you to have an ethically-run restoration business?

[birdsandbees]

Can we get back to the poor lad that is dead set on buying a mix matched car... 

.. instead of beating each other like an old whore.

[TheBipolarRoller]

Can we get back to the poor lad that is dead set on buying a mix matched car... 

.. instead of beating each other like an old whore.

Good point B & B.

If there is an issue with the VIN, I would not even consider looking at the car.

[cbrestorations]

ill offer another solution...buy the car get a state issued vin, put alot of money in it and later in life realize that still alot of people wont want to buy it because it has a state issued vin. people are scared to buy it now would be concerned to buy it with a state issued vin.

another is replace the core support, trunk gutters, lower quarters, tail panel, buy 69 tail lights and 69 grill so the only vin on the car is the 69 dash vin and it looks like a 69.

both are legal and forum approved 

[hemi-hampton]

 

[Kern Dog]

This is a LOT like a political discussion where two sides are set in their beliefs and neither is willing to concede. The grammar is worse though.