68 charger body but 69 vin?

[HPP]

I thought only high end Porsche 911 guys did this sort of thing lol, had a few 911s and have seen these rust buckets sold just for the vin numbers, I guess this is common in the classics world

Yes, its possible with any car segment where values begin to match mortgages.

[Troy]

I thought only high end Porsche 911 guys did this sort of thing lol, had a few 911s and have seen these rust buckets sold just for the vin numbers, I guess this is common in the classics world

Yes, its possible with any car segment where values begin to match mortgages.

Even when it's not! I know guys who were doing this when these cars could be had for $300. Just because it is common does not mean it's legal. Also, there is a distinct difference in "intent" between wanting to get your barn find car on the road and wanting your car to be a Hemi 4-speed so you can take it to Barrett Jackson.

To the OP... as expected, that is a 68 car with a dash swap. All the rest of the story about it being a demo or a factory made vehicle are BS or wishful thinking. Maybe the 69 Charger where the title and VIN cam from has a really cool story (or maybe even the 68) but that's meaningless for the most part. If you really wanted to do it right... get a Bill of Sale and take it to your state's BMV and have a state issued VIN assigned to it. You can transfer it as a 69 and hope no one notices and you can still claim that you weren't any wiser. You can swap on a 68 VIN but now you've crossed that "intent" barrier.

Troy

[cbrestorations]

I have bought a few cars without Vin tags and even a 70 charger with a 69 vin   I'll take them all who's got one message me lol

[JR]

I would atleast try and dig up the original numbers from the 68 body before I put any money in it.

If the body comes back clean, all is well. If not, you'll save yourself a big headache, and best/worst case scenario, reunite someone with their stolen 68.

[hemi-hampton]

Sounds like the Vin has been switched which is illegal. Fyi the rad support # on a 68 is the shipping order number. In 69 Chrysler started stamping the last digits of the VIN# on the rad support. So if the car is a 68 the numbers you posted in the picture should not match the VIN.

I think I said that already. about 8 post above yours.

[Baldwinvette77]

KZ1980, The choice is ultimately up to you man, everyone here is just trying to warn you that this car may cause alot of problems. But its your money and its your decision in the end.

[darbgnik]

KZ1980, The choice is ultimately up to you man, everyone here is just trying to warn you that this car may cause alot of problems. But its your money and its your decision in the end.

Agreed, if you got it for parts car pricing, you're probably in good shape.

[TheBipolarRoller]

... ide swap an LS and a 9" rear end in a charger in a heart beat. about time mopar came out of the stone age with a factory aluminum block already. all i care is a cool charger is back on the road

Putting a Chebbie motor in a Mopar is sacrilege. Saying you will do it on a Mopar site is reprehensible.

You do not drive a vehicle with Michigan stickers on it at Michigan State University. If you do you are setting yourself up to get your vehicle trashed. Just like you do not drive a brand new Trans Am through the crowd at Cedar Fest at MSU and expect it to come out as it went in. That car was TRASHED!
You cannot flaunt an aluminum LS Slowvelle motor on a Mopar site and not expect to get tongue-lashed.   However, we are all adults here and some good-naturred trash-talking is kind of fun. But seriously, if you want to put a Chebbie motor in a Mopar that is your business, but please... don't do it where Mopar lovers can see it because you will incite a riot.

Besides, an LS 6 motor belongs in only one car... and that is a '70 Chevelle (SS). If you want an aluminum block get a Mopar Performance one. They outperform a 454 anyway.

The only motor I would put on par with a Mopar is a Buick GSX 455 Stage I. (Stage II & III were over the counter) But of course the-END-ALL-conversations motor is the HEMI. Just saying Hemi and all others have to shut up. Period.

[TheBipolarRoller]

snip vin a swaps...yeah its illegal snip

And this is where we run into a serious problem. This is illegal. You are promoting an illegal act. It matters not if millions do it. It is still wrong, still illegal. You see, the law was not created for people who obey it... but those who break it. Especially those who break it and teach that illegality to others. You should be ashamed of yourself CB.

[Kern Dog]

"someone just swapped the dash was all..."          "just slap a 68 vin on it and done..."          "buy it cheap slap a 68 vin on it and roll with it, there are no body numbers to match on a 68 so you could swap vins for every day of they year if you wanted"           "vin a swaps...yeah its illegal but it would save you hassle on owning the car. even if that 68 body happened to be reported stolen many moons ago, they reported the vin not the shipping number. so since its original vin is missing it could never get taken from you. find a rotted junk @ss donor shell and you will know what to do with it Wink  just post a pic of ur junk rotted donor and 1 week later...boom restored fresh 68 charger. like magic, it can be done...ive seen overhaulin build an entire car in 1 week lol."

I guess it's safe to say you wouldn't want to buy a car from cbrestorations.

I agree. Chris does some impressive work and has great skills but I just don't feel right about people swapping numbers around. I am not a "restoration purist" type of guy, it just seems wrong to do it. I've broken a few laws over the years but have never knowingly bought or sold stolen stuff. I've never swapped VINs or license plates. I know of guys that have and they always claim the same thing: Hey, it is my car and not something rare so no big deal...
The guys I know claim that they couldn't get a title/back fees too high or whatever are at least truthful when they say the cars are nothing special. I'm talking slant six cars, 318 cars.etc. They have not tried to clone or recreate anything so their motivation really is more about saving money for their own project as opposed to the guy that "restores" a rare classic to sell for big $$$.

[cbrestorations]

snip vin a swaps...yeah its illegal snip

And this is where we run into a serious problem. This is illegal. You are promoting an illegal act. It matters not if millions do it. It is still wrong, still illegal. You see, the law was not created for people who obey it... but those who break it. Especially those who break it and teach that illegality to others. You should be ashamed of yourself CB.

Not even the slightest bit...I'll get em back on the road while you guys can bicker about what to save and stay away from

[charger01]

If i throw the vin off a 78 pinto onto my charger.  is that ok too?

[70 sublime]

kz1980  These cars are easy to sell and you seem to think you are getting it for a good price

Did you ever stop to think why that is ?

If you are in Florida and the pictures seem to have snow on the car makes one think the car is far away from you
Maybe there is a reason the seller is happy to sell it to you and taking far away from him   

[fastmark]

Swapping vin tags to another body is illegal.  Period. End of discussion. So the OP is fairly warned by the members on this board that know the law ( and have integrity). So here is what he needs to do. Buy this "good deal" and drag it down to the state trooper office in your area and ask them about the law. After they impound your car, tell them a guy at a restoration shop says it's ok to swap vins and he does it all the time. They will want to pay him a visit as well.  :

[kz1980]

Thanks for info and advice guys, will def keep that in mind, everyone's been helpful 👍🏼

[charger01]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=127599.100;num_replies=114

kinda on topic, but this 68s vin matches the radiator support??? did they change that mid year or something?

[lukedukem]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=127599.100;num_replies=114

kinda on topic, but this 68s vin matches the radiator support??? did they change that mid year or something?

This link leads to posting a reply to this thread? 

Luke

[Troy]

... ide swap an LS and a 9" rear end in a charger in a heart beat. about time mopar came out of the stone age with a factory aluminum block already. all i care is a cool charger is back on the road

Putting a Chebbie motor in a Mopar is sacrilege. Saying you will do it on a Mopar site is reprehensible.

You do not drive a vehicle with Michigan stickers on it at Michigan State University. If you do you are setting yourself up to get your vehicle trashed. Just like you do not drive a brand new Trans Am through the crowd at Cedar Fest at MSU and expect it to come out as it went in. That car was TRASHED!
You cannot flaunt an aluminum LS Slowvelle motor on a Mopar site and not expect to get tongue-lashed.    However, we are all adults here and some good-naturred trash-talking is kind of fun. But seriously, if you want to put a Chebbie motor in a Mopar that is your business, but please... don't do it where Mopar lovers can see it because you will incite a riot.

Besides, an LS 6 motor belongs in only one car... and that is a '70 Chevelle (SS). If you want an aluminum block get a Mopar Performance one. They outperform a 454 anyway.

The only motor I would put on par with a Mopar is a Buick GSX 455 Stage I. (Stage II & III were over the counter) But of course the-END-ALL-conversations motor is the HEMI. Just saying Hemi and all others have to shut up. Period.

Well... that's all good info *except* he's talking about the modern LS engine.

Troy

[TheBipolarRoller]

Swapping vin tags to another body is illegal.  Period. End of discussion. So the OP is fairly warned by the members on this board that know the law ( and have integrity). So here is what he needs to do. Buy this "good deal" and drag it down to the state trooper office in your area and ask them about the law. After they impound your car, tell them a guy at a restoration shop says it's ok to swap vins and he does it all the time. They will want to pay him a visit as well.  :

... and his Detective "buddy".

[TheBipolarRoller]

... ide swap an LS and a 9" rear end in a charger in a heart beat. about time mopar came out of the stone age with a factory aluminum block already. all i care is a cool charger is back on the road

Putting a Chebbie motor in a Mopar is sacrilege. Saying you will do it on a Mopar site is reprehensible.

You do not drive a vehicle with Michigan stickers on it at Michigan State University. If you do you are setting yourself up to get your vehicle trashed. Just like you do not drive a brand new Trans Am through the crowd at Cedar Fest at MSU and expect it to come out as it went in. That car was TRASHED!
You cannot flaunt an aluminum LS Slowvelle motor on a Mopar site and not expect to get tongue-lashed.    However, we are all adults here and some good-naturred trash-talking is kind of fun. But seriously, if you want to put a Chebbie motor in a Mopar that is your business, but please... don't do it where Mopar lovers can see it because you will incite a riot.

Besides, an LS 6 motor belongs in only one car... and that is a '70 Chevelle (SS). If you want an aluminum block get a Mopar Performance one. They outperform a 454 anyway.

The only motor I would put on par with a Mopar is a Buick GSX 455 Stage I. (Stage II & III were over the counter) But of course the-END-ALL-conversations motor is the HEMI. Just saying Hemi and all others have to shut up. Period.

Well... that's all good info *except* he's talking about the modern LS engine.

Troy

Thanks Troy. But modern or not it still sticks in my craw when people talk about putting a Chevy motor in a Mopar. It doesn't even make sense.

[TheBipolarRoller]

If i throw the vin off a 78 pinto onto my charger.  is that ok too?

Only if you swap in the matching numbers gas tank. 

[cbrestorations]

... ide swap an LS and a 9" rear end in a charger in a heart beat. about time mopar came out of the stone age with a factory aluminum block already. all i care is a cool charger is back on the road

Putting a Chebbie motor in a Mopar is sacrilege. Saying you will do it on a Mopar site is reprehensible.

You do not drive a vehicle with Michigan stickers on it at Michigan State University. If you do you are setting yourself up to get your vehicle trashed. Just like you do not drive a brand new Trans Am through the crowd at Cedar Fest at MSU and expect it to come out as it went in. That car was TRASHED!
You cannot flaunt an aluminum LS Slowvelle motor on a Mopar site and not expect to get tongue-lashed.    However, we are all adults here and some good-naturred trash-talking is kind of fun. But seriously, if you want to put a Chebbie motor in a Mopar that is your business, but please... don't do it where Mopar lovers can see it because you will incite a riot.

Besides, an LS 6 motor belongs in only one car... and that is a '70 Chevelle (SS). If you want an aluminum block get a Mopar Performance one. They outperform a 454 anyway.

The only motor I would put on par with a Mopar is a Buick GSX 455 Stage I. (Stage II & III were over the counter) But of course the-END-ALL-conversations motor is the HEMI. Just saying Hemi and all others have to shut up. Period.

Well... that's all good info *except* he's talking about the modern LS engine.

Troy

Thanks Troy. But modern or not it still sticks in my craw when people talk about putting a Chevy motor in a Mopar. It doesn't even make sense.

sooooo doing it on the next one... im spending twice as much money to go slower with a 6.1 right now lol, same power but 100lbs heavier. i think im going to start building kits to start the LS mopar swap crave...lol oh you purists need to lighten up. im doing this to cars that were left to die, but im sure you would rather see them die then on the road with a LS. hell i could even put chevelle vins on them or maybe even an el camino vin. my uncle has a wrecking yard i could have a hay day in there. ohhhh i know....i could just say its a camaro with a charger body kit 

[JR]

"Thanks Troy. But modern or not it still sticks in my craw when people talk about putting a Chevy motor in a Mopar. It doesn't even make sense."

You're thinking like a collector. (Someone who enjoys having something just as it was built.)

Try to think from the perspective of a racer, or driving enthusiast. (Someone who gets enjoyment from driving the car, and wants the best performing/most fun to drive car possible for a reasonable amount of money.

Then it makes sense.

[cbrestorations]

Diehards won't understand that though JR.  My current charger project has a 6.1 but....a gm  Ls throttle body....ohhhh all the diehards are shittin bricks again, a Mopar engine with gm parts on it. Ohhh I know another member on here with gm Ls coils on his 440. I almost forgot...I have a gm th400 input shaft on my driveline. It's just going all down hill now 

[69CoronetRT]

Sorry yo hear about that, but That was because ur car was stolen, totally different. How am I an asshole, someone asked a question I gave a fix. Lol

You are openly and publicly advocating and promoting an illegal act designed to perpetuate a fraud. You are condoning people getting ripped off. You have left an electronic trail to your position. That's what makes you an asshole.

You are hurting any credibility you may have had. It would be tough to do businesses with someone willing to cut corners to make a buck.