68 charger body but 69 vin?

[cbrestorations]

if you legally own both cars and have titles its all good. if you dont tamper with the vin but just swap parts as in dash frame with vin attached. ive been thru alot of discussion and even asked a few officers

[Troy]

if you legally own both cars and have titles its all good. if you dont tamper with the vin but just swap parts as in dash frame with vin attached. ive been thru alot of discussion and even asked a few officers

Really? Seriously? A couple minutes on Google turned this up for Nevada:
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/Session/76th2011/Exhibits/Assembly/JUD/AJUD697L.pdf
http://law.justia.com/codes/nevada/2010/title43/chapter482/nrs482-553.html

The laws differ state to state buuuuuuut that's not legal in any of them. There's a specific procedure (in most cases) for removing/replacing parts that have identification on them. The penalties for NOT following the procedure are also listed. Very handy stuff! These are mostly in place to combat fraud and theft. I'd suggest reading them prior to facing criminal charges.

Again, the person giving advice is not the guy who will be representing you in court. I can tell you that I drive above the speed limit all the time. I can tell you that it's ok and nothing bad will happen to you. However, if you come to my state and get fined/arrested then I am not liable. Sorry for your luck!

Troy

[Y1CHARGER]

"someone just swapped the dash was all..."          "just slap a 68 vin on it and done..."          "buy it cheap slap a 68 vin on it and roll with it, there are no body numbers to match on a 68 so you could swap vins for every day of they year if you wanted"           "vin a swaps...yeah its illegal but it would save you hassle on owning the car. even if that 68 body happened to be reported stolen many moons ago, they reported the vin not the shipping number. so since its original vin is missing it could never get taken from you. find a rotted junk @ss donor shell and you will know what to do with it Wink  just post a pic of ur junk rotted donor and 1 week later...boom restored fresh 68 charger. like magic, it can be done...ive seen overhaulin build an entire car in 1 week lol."

I guess it's safe to say you wouldn't want to buy a car from cbrestorations.

[cdr]

just because others do it & get away with it ,does not make it right.  also if a build sheet was to show up for a 68 that ties vin & von together ,then what you gonna do now.

[Moparpoolman]

Troy, he did indicate that he had to change front fenders on it, I have a pic of rad vin but really poor shot, guy must have a potato for phone lol
I'll get that soon but it does look like a 688 maybe? Not sure what the heck the last digits are here
Sorry for the amateur shots, not my skills lol

Blurry Pics but those fonts on the radiator support don't look right to me   curious if they match the trunk rail number.

[cbrestorations]

yup restorations are different. full rusty resto is no different than a body swap because if you replace 75 percent of the metal which in most cases you are removing the body numbers anyway to replace core support and trunk gutters as well as removing dash frame uve just removed all the i.d. numbers from its original body. now when you replace with new metal, that metal wasnt original or belong to those vin numbers. how is it any different when you remove numbers from another body and replace them with your originals. they both are not original to that vin. if you did not own the donor body with title, thats where it gets bad, then dmv and authorities assume you are washing a stolen car. with all the repop bodies available with camaro's and fastback mustangs the authorities know what is going on, and as long as nothing looks shady then its allowed

i actually just got off the phone with my detective buddy, he has seen his fair share of vin swaps, 95 percent on new cars where a resto wasnt required and stolen. i was wrong, legally he said its not allowed but in the classic car world alot is ignored. the laws have to be there for the criminals in mind but they are aware of what is required when restoring a rusty car. he said if you are going to do it, do it right with replacing both body stamps and vin but on a 68 he said f*** it, swap the dash and go with it.  

as for the guy who wants the 68 with a 69 vin, ill say the same thing my detective buddy said...f*** it, swap the dash, only you are going to know, dont let the purists and die hard rulebook followers shy you from owning a cool car  

[cbrestorations]

"someone just swapped the dash was all..."          "just slap a 68 vin on it and done..."          "buy it cheap slap a 68 vin on it and roll with it, there are no body numbers to match on a 68 so you could swap vins for every day of they year if you wanted"           "vin a swaps...yeah its illegal but it would save you hassle on owning the car. even if that 68 body happened to be reported stolen many moons ago, they reported the vin not the shipping number. so since its original vin is missing it could never get taken from you. find a rotted junk @ss donor shell and you will know what to do with it Wink  just post a pic of ur junk rotted donor and 1 week later...boom restored fresh 68 charger. like magic, it can be done...ive seen overhaulin build an entire car in 1 week lol."

I guess it's safe to say you wouldn't want to buy a car from cbrestorations.

who said i was selling....lol, thats what pictures are for during resto work. but hey, if i did do a swap, you would never know...only me  . i personally dont care, im not a purist, ide swap an LS and a 9" rear end in a charger in a heart beat. about time mopar came out of the stone age with a factory aluminum block already. all i care is a cool charger is back on the road

[kz1980]

What if in this case that person decided to keep the 69 and simply convert the car to 69 instead of 68? title says 69 on it so might as well keep that, the vin is legitimate, very likely the seller replaced the rusty body and kept the 69 title and vin.

[cbrestorations]

nascar wouldnt need inspections if everyone followed the rulebook lol, not related but funny 

[cbrestorations]

What if in this case that person decided to keep the 69 and simply convert the car to 69 instead of 68? title says 69 on it so might as well keep that, the vin is legitimate, very likely the seller replaced the rusty body and kept the 69 title and vin.

if that is the case, just buy a new core support and trunk gutter that are blank....donezo

[cdr]

What if in this case that person decided to keep the 69 and simply convert the car to 69 instead of 68? title says 69 on it so might as well keep that, the vin is legitimate, very likely the seller replaced the rusty body and kept the 69 title and vin.

if that is the case, just buy a new core support and trunk gutter that are blank....donezo

yup restorations are different. full rusty resto is no different than a body swap because if you replace 75 percent of the metal which in most cases you are removing the body numbers anyway to replace core support and trunk gutters as well as removing dash frame uve just removed all the i.d. numbers from its original body. now when you replace with new metal, that metal wasnt original or belong to those vin numbers. how is it any different when you remove numbers from another body and replace them with your originals. they both are not original to that vin. if you did not own the donor body with title, thats where it gets bad, then dmv and authorities assume you are washing a stolen car. with all the repop bodies available with camaro's and fastback mustangs the authorities know what is going on, and as long as nothing looks shady then its allowed

i actually just got off the phone with my detective buddy, he has seen his fair share of vin swaps, 95 percent on new cars where a resto wasnt required and stolen. i was wrong, legally he said its not allowed but in the classic car world alot is ignored. the laws have to be there for the criminals in mind but they are aware of what is required when restoring a rusty car. he said if you are going to do it, do it right with replacing both body stamps and vin but on a 68 he said f*** it, swap the dash and go with it. 

as for the guy who wants the 68 with a 69 vin, ill say the same thing my detective buddy said...f*** it, swap the dash, only you are going to know, dont let the purists and die hard rulebook followers shy you from owning a cool car 

so is doing a burnout, but how many are guilty  , vin a swaps...yeah its illegal but it would save you hassle on owning the car. even if that 68 body happened to be reported stolen many moons ago, they reported the vin not the shipping number. so since its original vin is missing it could never get taken from you. find a rotted junk @ss donor shell and you will know what to do with it   just post a pic of ur junk rotted donor and 1 week later...boom restored fresh 68 charger. like magic, it can be done...ive seen overhaulin build an entire car in 1 week lol.

how many of those high dollar hemi and six pack cars in auctions do you think still have their original vins?
if you have to replace 75 percent of the metal, screw that, find a donor. look at all the repop challenger bodies, you think guys that bought those are going to get a state issued kit car vin 

i see vin swap cars on ebay all the time, 69 r/t's that i can tell was originally a 70, 68 hemi bodies with a 69 shock tower brace, 70 six pack car without the 70 core support. its almost a normal thing now lol

Have you ever had your bad ass car stolen from you ? I have, & the thief had swapped out the vin to one he had a title, you sir are an asshole.

[cbrestorations]

Sorry yo hear about that, but That was because ur car was stolen, totally different. How am I an asshole, someone asked a question I gave a fix. Lol

[cdr]

Sorry yo hear about that, but That was because ur car was stolen, totally different. How am I an asshole, someone asked a question I gave a fix. Lol

a fix that is against the law !!!!!  & WRONG

[cdr]

so, you buy a car without a title & you swap #s from a rusty hulk to save the good one, HOW is that legal.  I am done bye.

[68pplcharger]

 

[Y1CHARGER]

What if in this case that person decided to keep the 69 and simply convert the car to 69 instead of 68? title says 69 on it so might as well keep that, the vin is legitimate, very likely the seller replaced the rusty body and kept the 69 title and vin.

if that is the case, just buy a new core support and trunk gutter that are blank....donezo

yup restorations are different. full rusty resto is no different than a body swap because if you replace 75 percent of the metal which in most cases you are removing the body numbers anyway to replace core support and trunk gutters as well as removing dash frame uve just removed all the i.d. numbers from its original body. now when you replace with new metal, that metal wasnt original or belong to those vin numbers. how is it any different when you remove numbers from another body and replace them with your originals. they both are not original to that vin. if you did not own the donor body with title, thats where it gets bad, then dmv and authorities assume you are washing a stolen car. with all the repop bodies available with camaro's and fastback mustangs the authorities know what is going on, and as long as nothing looks shady then its allowed

i actually just got off the phone with my detective buddy, he has seen his fair share of vin swaps, 95 percent on new cars where a resto wasnt required and stolen. i was wrong, legally he said its not allowed but in the classic car world alot is ignored. the laws have to be there for the criminals in mind but they are aware of what is required when restoring a rusty car. he said if you are going to do it, do it right with replacing both body stamps and vin but on a 68 he said f*** it, swap the dash and go with it. 

as for the guy who wants the 68 with a 69 vin, ill say the same thing my detective buddy said...f*** it, swap the dash, only you are going to know, dont let the purists and die hard rulebook followers shy you from owning a cool car 

so is doing a burnout, but how many are guilty  , vin a swaps...yeah its illegal but it would save you hassle on owning the car. even if that 68 body happened to be reported stolen many moons ago, they reported the vin not the shipping number. so since its original vin is missing it could never get taken from you. find a rotted junk @ss donor shell and you will know what to do with it   just post a pic of ur junk rotted donor and 1 week later...boom restored fresh 68 charger. like magic, it can be done...ive seen overhaulin build an entire car in 1 week lol.

how many of those high dollar hemi and six pack cars in auctions do you think still have their original vins?
if you have to replace 75 percent of the metal, screw that, find a donor. look at all the repop challenger bodies, you think guys that bought those are going to get a state issued kit car vin 

i see vin swap cars on ebay all the time, 69 r/t's that i can tell was originally a 70, 68 hemi bodies with a 69 shock tower brace, 70 six pack car without the 70 core support. its almost a normal thing now lol

Have you ever had your bad ass car stolen from you ? I have, & the thief had swapped out the vin to one he had a title, you sir are an asshole.

I agree

[kz1980]

Here's  that number

[birdsandbees]

68 body number.. 69 VIN number.. run away.. 

[cbrestorations]

I'd do it in a heart beat, depending on the extent of the rust repair needed. I like doing metal work and not too shabby at it either. So it all depends. Haven't done a swap...but I have done enough buying of junk, metal replacement and how to get titles, hell i can get a title without even getting out of bed. i see no problem with it as long as there was a title for both cars i have no problem. I would even buy a swap car aslong as it was done right,  Don't care...there's the fraud criminal side and the resto side. There's victims of the criminal side which sucks of course but there's a lot of people who are enjoying the car they always wanted due to a swap side aswell.

[Troy]

"someone just swapped the dash was all..."          "just slap a 68 vin on it and done..."          "buy it cheap slap a 68 vin on it and roll with it, there are no body numbers to match on a 68 so you could swap vins for every day of they year if you wanted"           "vin a swaps...yeah its illegal but it would save you hassle on owning the car. even if that 68 body happened to be reported stolen many moons ago, they reported the vin not the shipping number. so since its original vin is missing it could never get taken from you. find a rotted junk @ss donor shell and you will know what to do with it Wink  just post a pic of ur junk rotted donor and 1 week later...boom restored fresh 68 charger. like magic, it can be done...ive seen overhaulin build an entire car in 1 week lol."

I guess it's safe to say you wouldn't want to buy a car from cbrestorations.

If you read the laws, they have a lot to do with "intent". Is the person swapping VIN numbers because they know the car is stolen, to increase the car's value, or maybe to hide something like a crash history? Generally (again, varies by state), repairs marked parts to make a car roadworthy are acceptable (but may need approval). Hauling a car out of the back 40 of your dead uncle's farm then swapping the VIN because getting the original title would be too hard is fraud and theft with intent. The law usually doesn't come after the unsuspecting-buyer-down-the-line (except for maybe confiscating the car).

People are free to do whatever they want - but they also must face the consequences of their actions. I am only providing knowledge so they can make informed decisions. I know plenty of people who have no problem turning a base model car into a Six Pack or selling tags and titles so someone else can do it. I know cars that aren't what they were originally from the factory. I know where a numbers matching 69 Charger R/T "starter kit" is right now. In the end, I am not the one making the decisions or passing legal judgement.

On the other hand, some people are condoning illegal activity on a public web site that I happen to own. So, it is in my interest to be concerned. Everything written here is being indexed and stored by a myriad of search engines. Keep that in mind...

Troy

[kz1980]

CBresto, that's what's great about it, virtually rust free, guy spent so much $ on sheet metal like fenders etc that it's worth what I offered, not to mention that it's a complete car with 2 motors and all

[kz1980]

I thought only high end Porsche 911 guys did this sort of thing lol, had a few 911s and have seen these rust buckets sold just for the vin numbers, I guess this is common in the classics world

[cbrestorations]

I know exactly what I've said... It happens all around us... Ive even seen cars list for sale that admitted it to being a body swap. Laws are flexible in certain situations.  Actually a customer of mine had a charger dropped off that was a rust bucket 318 h code 70 but it had torque boxes and a freshly crude tach welded core support and lose dash. Gee wonder what happened here lol, he doesn't care, came with a title and wants me to replace metal.

[charger chris]

If you have the 68 numbers have them run and see if it's stolen. If it not there you go.

[alfaitalia]

Whichever way you look at it and whether car is stolen or not....switching VINs is illegal over here and as far as I can tell  its illegal over there too..and rightly so. So that makes all the arguments above about how much rust a car may have or how many panels its had replaced all null and void. Op... if you are happy to drive a ringer and perhaps, one day, have it come back to bike you on the arse... then go ahead. I wouldn't touch it. Whichever is the true story behind it its certainly got a shadowy past!!