68 charger body but 69 vin?

[Troy]

Troy, he claimed that he's the second owner of vehicle and first owner picked it up after it was used as a demo, taking that with grain of salt however but that may be easily varifyable, are you saying that each dealership had only one or that there was only ONE altogether in USA?.... because that'd be like a unicorn lol and am sure would drive its value up.

A "dealer demo"? Irrelevant. A factory demonstrator or prototype? The ONE that I can think of was a pre-production 1969 Charger 500. That car is known - and it wasn't built on the assembly line.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=4205.0

I normally agree with some other responses: register it and drive it! However, be aware that if the VIN was swapped because the 68 was stolen at some point, you could easily lose the car and possibly even face criminal charges. Heck, even if it wasn't stolen, evidence of VIN tampering could have the same result. I had a friend who lost a 70 Chevelle that way. Had it for 3 years before the police showed up and took it. I might suggest that if you do what some others are promoting (sticking on a 68 VIN) then you may not want to mention that fact in public.

Troy

[kz1980]

Here's a few

[Troy]

What's up with the driver's rear lower corner?

Troy

[kz1980]

Bumpers off of it

[Lennard]

What's up with the driver's rear lower corner?

Troy

It's missing sheet metal.

[kz1980]

Pretty sure it's the way pic angle is shooting from

[birdsandbees]

It's missing in both directions... 

[tan top]

Pretty sure it's the way pic angle is shooting from

hope you don't mind , I've lightened your pictures & enlarged them  

[Troy]

What's up with the driver's rear lower corner?

Troy

It's missing sheet metal.

Yep. It's missing more than the bumper. The lower corner should protrude out the back (ie the bumper sits in an indentation). It's missing the corner cap for sure.


Troy

[hemi-hampton]

If it's a dealer Demo you should have 688 in line 6 of fender tag. Should be on window sticker & build/broadcast sheet also. LEON.

[Troy]

If it's a dealer Demo you should have 688 in line 6 of fender tag. Should be on window sticker & build/broadcast sheet also. LEON.

But again... a dealer demo isn't going to have mismatched body panels. And who ever heard of a small block as a demo? Most were highly optioned.

kz1980: What are the first two and last six characters in the VIN? You mentioned a fender tag earlier. The bottom two lines would be super helpful. If it is a 69 and has the original 318... I believe it will  match the VIN. There's a lot of ways to tell what happened with this car. You just need to look.

As for the replacement metal, I suppose someone could have used 68 sheet metal when doing the body work. It would need both rear quarters, tail panel (or patches), and rear valance to look the way it does now. It has 68 tail lights so I'm assuming a donor car (these aren't as easy to get as sheet metal). I think that either way you have two cars - either a 69 for front end parts, VIN, and title or a 68 for rear end parts to put on the 69. What does the interior looks like (dash, seat covers, door panels, etc.). These are all different from 68 to 69.

Troy

[Moparpoolman]

Well, It's quite obvious the car is not in or near Florida  ,  Looks like it has a 69 Drivers door, by looking at the door lock not at the end near the jam (unless it the glare) , also has 69 door handle, no black button.

[kz1980]

Troy, he did indicate that he had to change front fenders on it, I have a pic of rad vin but really poor shot, guy must have a potato for phone lol
I'll get that soon but it does look like a 688 maybe? Not sure what the heck the last digits are here
Sorry for the amateur shots, not my skills lol

[hemi-hampton]

That Vin # Pic the worst blurry Vin pic I ever seen. What this car needs is someone experianced in mopars & mopar Vin decoding & restorations of mopars would help to evaluate the situation & to find out & get to the bottom of what the hell this Frankenstein car really is. I'd look it over myself & tell you what you have if the car was near Detroit. Also the 688 is not going to be in Vin. if it's a 68 car that should be a Von (or shipping order #)your looking at.LEON.

P.S. Use macro mode for close up pics.

[kz1980]

No it wasn't in Detroit, I'll find out tmrw, guy ticked me off, he seems kinda slow lol. Should have that info tmrw because it's really bugging  me too

[hemi-hampton]

Troy Say's

  "But again... a dealer demo isn't going to have mismatched body panels. And who ever heard of a small block as a demo? Most were highly optioned."


Troy, I highly doubt it is, was being kinda sarcastic. LEON.

[70 sublime]

Hope you are paying less than $10 K for it

[kz1980]

Much less than 10 )
First need to confirm all this nonsense though, complete car with 2 blocks: a 318 and a 440 and 727 trans, has all the interior pieces, bumpers, etc

[tan top]

Troy, he did indicate that he had to change front fenders on it, I have a pic of rad vin but really poor shot, guy must have a potato for phone lol
I'll get that soon but it does look like a 688 maybe? Not sure what the heck the last digits are here
Sorry for the amateur shots, not my skills lol

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Much less than 10 )
First need to confirm all this nonsense though, complete car with 2 blocks: a 318 and a 440 and 727 trans, has all the interior pieces, bumpers, etc

318 block...who cares unless you need a boat anchor.   

[kz1980]

Damn, you guys are like CIA forensics team breaking down and analyzing this lol, very helpful though
Yes that 318 will be given to my mechanic who's given me some bargain parts in the past, he an have that for his dart.

[70-500-SE-EXPORT]

Sounds like the Vin has been switched which is illegal. Fyi the rad support # on a 68 is the shipping order number. In 69 Chrysler started stamping the last digits of the VIN# on the rad support. So if the car is a 68 the numbers you posted in the picture should not match the VIN.

[cbrestorations]

so is doing a burnout, but how many are guilty  , vin a swaps...yeah its illegal but it would save you hassle on owning the car. even if that 68 body happened to be reported stolen many moons ago, they reported the vin not the shipping number. so since its original vin is missing it could never get taken from you. find a rotted junk @ss donor shell and you will know what to do with it  just post a pic of ur junk rotted donor and 1 week later...boom restored fresh 68 charger. like magic, it can be done...ive seen overhaulin build an entire car in 1 week lol.

how many of those high dollar hemi and six pack cars in auctions do you think still have their original vins?
if you have to replace 75 percent of the metal, screw that, find a donor. look at all the repop challenger bodies, you think guys that bought those are going to get a state issued kit car vin  

i see vin swap cars on ebay all the time, 69 r/t's that i can tell was originally a 70, 68 hemi bodies with a 69 shock tower brace, 70 six pack car without the 70 core support. its almost a normal thing now lol

[Troy]

so is doing a burnout, but how many are guilty  , vin a swaps...yeah its illegal but it would save you hassle on owning the car. even if that 68 body happened to be reported stolen many moons ago, they reported the vin not the shipping number. so since its original vin is missing it could never get taken from you. find a rotted junk @ss donor shell and you will know what to do with it   just post a pic of ur junk rotted donor and 1 week later...boom restored fresh 68 charger. like magic, it can be done...ive seen overhaulin build an entire car in 1 week lol.

how many of those high dollar hemi and six pack cars in auctions do you think still have their original vins?
if you have to replace 75 percent of the metal, screw that, find a donor. look at all the repop challenger bodies, you think guys that bought those are going to get a state issued kit car vin 

i see vin swap cars on ebay all the time, 69 r/t's that i can tell was originally a 70, 68 hemi bodies with a 69 shock tower brace, 70 six pack car without the 70 core support. its almost a normal thing now lol

I get it. Except it's not the same as doing a burnout or speeding. Swapping VINs is a FELONY. It's easy to be cavalier about it when you aren't the one facing jail time. Do people do it? Absolutely! Do people go to jail? Absolutely! Maybe only a small percentage but it's worth warning someone because "I didn't know the law" is never a good defense.

Troy

[70-500-SE-EXPORT]

The bad part of the hobby is people swapping vins / tags and advertising a car to be a R/T or a high option car to turn a higher profit without telling the buyer. That's a big difference than one swapping vins because they found a rust free shell down south to swap all the parts from his rusted out body onto a better one. As long as the person owns both cars I don't see any harm in doing that.