68 charger body but 69 vin?

[kz1980]

CB is a ruthless c*nt lol, no shits given.....especially with the debauchery of putting GM parts in a mopar.

[cbrestorations]

I do quality metal work, you don't like me...don't care, all my shit has pics. I do this for fun...as i like seeing them get fixed. This isnt my income. take it to pablos auto body or pay twice as much elsewhere.  I haven't cut corners or even done a Vin swap,  but my personal  stuff, hell yeah I would...spend a shit ton of money and time that isn't going to make me money...done. I could drive and enjoy my car vs eating Ramon noodles and off brand cerial while building it. I have a 68 r/t black 4 speed Dana car that is a bucket. That car however will be repaired. When I show a book of pics to someone building that car,  I'm golden.
I like helping the average guy get his car fixed by not charging an arm and a leg.  I'm actually pretty friendly and help where I can, or I can be a dick. Let me know which side you want me to be if you meet me lol

[kz1980]

What's your location man? Have a challenger that needs resto
Don't want my shit butchered up too bad though, I like affordable quality work although that's hard to find anymore.

[Kern Dog]

Do you really lol (Laugh out loud) as much as you write?   You DO seem like a reasonably happy guy but holy crap you write that a whole lot !   

[Lennard]

Lol. Lots of whiners on here. Lol
Chris is doing an awesome job for a reasonable price on my ' 68 and soon we'll both be driving the wheels off of our hoopties that stayed out of the chruser because of his metal magician skills. Lol
You guys keep ant f*****g the numbers and by the time you're needing a walker, it will be finished and for twice the money I paid. LOL

[Kern Dog]

Looking at pictures and videos, I doubt many would fault his work. I know that I could learn from him. It is the issue of following the law that concerns people. We are not all a bunch of angels here but tampering with Federal law is something that will get peoples attention in a bad way.

[TheBipolarRoller]

Diehards won't understand that though JR.  My current charger project has a 6.1 but....a gm  Ls throttle body....ohhhh all the diehards are shittin bricks again, a Mopar engine with gm parts on it. Ohhh I know another member on here with gm Ls coils on his 440. I almost forgot...I have a gm th400 input shaft on my driveline. It's just going all down hill now  

Like I have stated before, I am not up on the motors that each of the Big Three offer to the public today. If Chrysler does not make a comparable aluminum block motor, and your customers demand one, then I completely understand if you have to go to a Brand X motor. But back in the day it made no sense to do this because Mopar motors always outperformed any Brand X motor. Swapping in a 350 motor because it's a slap-slap job is no excuse for being lazy and not sticking with a Mopar motor and squeezing more horsepower out of it. But I also understand the 350 swap. Why? Because you can get parts for a 350 anywhere on the planet. Everybody knows everything about a 350 anywhere you go. So it makes sense to have a motor in your car that you can cruise the world in... and not worry about it if something happens to it. That is just good cruising sense.
Have you ever contacted Chrysler about your concerns [with their motors, or lack thereof]?

On the other note, of swapping VINs: This is illegal. You seem to think it is okay because certain law enforcement [and your detective buddy] prop up doing something that we all know is illegal. We all understand the absolute necessity of saving rare and valuable cars from the crusher. That is not really the issue because we know that legitimate swaps are done so everybody can see what they are doing and they do not hide it. My issue is with people who take it upon themselves to do things in the dark, sneaky, underhanded, and they prop up their actions on a public website for all to see. Then the kids see the actions of their fathers and they start doing it. This is definitely not cool.
Hey, if you do a restoration and have to do a VIN swap [for whatever legitimate reason] and you do it in the light so to speak, I do not have a problem with that. But when you start telling the world that it is okay to continuously swap VINs, and tell the world's kids your cop buddies say it is okay, and legitimize an illegal act [in their eyes-because they believe you], then I do not have a problem calling you out in front of the world. What really hurts me, and the super-rare car-saving restoration business, is your flaunting of laws designed to prevent criminals from prospering. I am not judging you. You seem like a smart guy and you seem to have a good business. I do not. Therefore who am I [to judge]. I came here for Mopar camaraderie. What I found was a bunch of arguing grown men who can't, or rather choose not to, control their foul mouths, and promote good, law-abiding practices. You seem to tow the thin red line when it comes to illegal practices. I however would never even think about stepping near that line. Because I know what is right and what is wrong and I have suffered the consequences for stepping over that line. I have been to jail... a few times. Losing your freedom is the second most-worst thing that could happen to a person. I could go on but I have said enough. Please try and think about how you could go about saving cool cars and do it legally. If your hands are tied then contact your State's Congressman. Do something to get those laws changed in favor of people in your business.
Edited to add: This is my last post in the arena of [seemingly] arguing with people about things. I do not argue on the internet with people anymore. It is not conducive to promoting healthy relationships. One cannot "express" now he feels or "see" the tone of one's voice or his body mannerisms. Typing words can only go so far, after that you need personal contact.

[cbrestorations]

Good point, I actually have never done a Vin swap, when people were getting pissy i just rolled with it. was just trying to help a guy get his car on the road. I should have sent him a pm instead.

[TheBipolarRoller]

God bless your family and business CB. May your racing slicks never wear out, and the smell of racing fuel never depart from your nostrils. 

[Troy]

Lol. Lots of whiners on here. Lol
Chris is doing an awesome job for a reasonable price on my ' 68 and soon we'll both be driving the wheels off of our hoopties that stayed out of the chruser because of his metal magician skills. Lol
You guys keep ant f*****g the numbers and by the time you're needing a walker, it will be finished and for twice the money I paid. LOL

My problem is recommending a course of action that could result in a felony to someone who doesn't know any better without some sort of warning like "hey, this could land your butt in jail". You know how "disconnect the battery" is the first instruction on nearly every automobile maintenance task even though people rarely do it? At least someone can't say they weren't warned before burning their car to the ground.

Does getting done faster make it all right? Does getting it done cheaper? If I steal your car when it's done it won't cost me anything and I won't have hardly any time into it at all! I don't know why more people don't go this route...

I know that, at the end of the day, I don't need to worry about having all my stuff confiscated or trying to figure out how to spend free time in prison. To me, it isn't worth ruining everything else I have worked hard for in my life. Do what's right for you - but don't expect a lot of sympathy if something comes back to haunt you.

Troy

[cbrestorations]

I could argue on this for days, but I'm done. It happens all the time for people with no criminal intentions aswell.  I'm done

[charger01]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=127599.100;num_replies=114

kinda on topic, but this 68s vin matches the radiator support??? did they change that mid year or something?

This link leads to posting a reply to this thread? 

Luke

Because it was stated earlier that 68 core supports did not match the VIN. That is why?? This one clearly does.

[charger01]

buy it cheap slap a 68 vin on it and roll with it, there are no body numbers to match on a 68 so you could swap vins for every day of they year if you wanted

Right or not?

[lukedukem]

Diehards won't understand that though JR.  My current charger project has a 6.1 but....a gm  Ls throttle body....ohhhh all the diehards are shittin bricks again, a Mopar engine with gm parts on it. Ohhh I know another member on here with gm Ls coils on his 440. I almost forgot...I have a gm th400 input shaft on my driveline. It's just going all down hill now  

Like I have stated before, I am not up on the motors that each of the Big Three offer to the public today. If Chrysler does not make a comparable aluminum block motor, and your customers demand one, then I completely understand if you have to go to a Brand X motor. But back in the day it made no sense to do this because Mopar motors always outperformed any Brand X motor. Swapping in a 350 motor because it's a slap-slap job is no excuse for being lazy and not sticking with a Mopar motor and squeezing more horsepower out of it. But I also understand the 350 swap. Why? Because you can get parts for a 350 anywhere on the planet. Everybody knows everything about a 350 anywhere you go. So it makes sense to have a motor in your car that you can cruise the world in... and not worry about it if something happens to it. That is just good cruising sense.
Have you ever contacted Chrysler about your concerns [with their motors, or lack thereof]?

On the other note, of swapping VINs: This is illegal. You seem to think it is okay because certain law enforcement [and your detective buddy] prop up doing something that we all know is illegal. We all understand the absolute necessity of saving rare and valuable cars from the crusher. That is not really the issue because we know that legitimate swaps are done so everybody can see what they are doing and they do not hide it. My issue is with people who take it upon themselves to do things in the dark, sneaky, underhanded, and they prop up their actions on a public website for all to see. Then the kids see the actions of their fathers and they start doing it. This is definitely not cool.
Hey, if you do a restoration and have to do a VIN swap [for whatever legitimate reason] and you do it in the light so to speak, I do not have a problem with that. But when you start telling the world that it is okay to continuously swap VINs, and tell the world's kids your cop buddies say it is okay, and legitimize an illegal act [in their eyes-because they believe you], then I do not have a problem calling you out in front of the world. What really hurts me, and the super-rare car-saving restoration business, is your flaunting of laws designed to prevent criminals from prospering. I am not judging you. You seem like a smart guy and you seem to have a good business. I do not. Therefore who am I [to judge]. I came here for Mopar camaraderie. What I found was a bunch of arguing grown men who can't, or rather choose not to, control their foul mouths, and promote good, law-abiding practices. You seem to tow the thin red line when it comes to illegal practices. I however would never even think about stepping near that line. Because I know what is right and what is wrong and I have suffered the consequences for stepping over that line. I have been to jail... a few times. Losing your freedom is the second most-worst thing that could happen to a person. I could go on but I have said enough. Please try and think about how you could go about saving cool cars and do it legally. If your hands are tied then contact your State's Congressman. Do something to get those laws changed in favor of people in your business.
Edited to add: This is my last post in the arena of [seemingly] arguing with people about things. I do not argue on the internet with people anymore. It is not conducive to promoting healthy relationships. One cannot "express" now he feels or "see" the tone of one's voice or his body mannerisms. Typing words can only go so far, after that you need personal contact.

Just wondering what type of swaps are legitimate. I'm not trying to get into an argument. But first you say VIN swaps are illegal, then you say that legitimate ones have been done. Are they only legit because they are done in the public eye. I'm not sure I understand all this. Does Texas law differ from other states.
Ive gone cross eyed

Luke

[hemi-hampton]

As far as I know if the metaL that contains the Vin# is heavily damaged & in need of replacing because of the damage then this is OK. Exactly how you go about it I don't know. LEON.

[cbrestorations]

im in the process of getting a replacement vin right now. all thats needed is title, fender tag and body stampings. datatags can do it...first thing he asked when i said i needed a tag was "is it a hemi or 6 pack car" lol, no just a 383 car.

[Y1CHARGER]

Lol. Lots of whiners on here. Lol
Chris is doing an awesome job for a reasonable price on my ' 68 and soon we'll both be driving the wheels off of our hoopties that stayed out of the chruser because of his metal magician skills. Lol
You guys keep ant f*****g the numbers and by the time you're needing a walker, it will be finished and for twice the money I paid. LOL

Well I'm sure everyone here is happy to hear that he's not charging you too much to swap your VIN because like he said he doesn't do it to his own stuff(which I doubt now) but I guess your stuff is ok.

[Lennard]

Lol. Lots of whiners on here. Lol
Chris is doing an awesome job for a reasonable price on my ' 68 and soon we'll both be driving the wheels off of our hoopties that stayed out of the chruser because of his metal magician skills. Lol
You guys keep ant f*****g the numbers and by the time you're needing a walker, it will be finished and for twice the money I paid. LOL

Well I'm sure everyone here is happy to hear that he's not charging you too much to swap your VIN because like he said he doesn't do it to his own stuff(which I doubt now) but I guess your stuff is ok.

You must realize how dumb your reply is.

[cbrestorations]

read again y1charger, said i have not done one but i would have no problem on my personal stuff if i wanted to...my stuff, my cars, my property ill do whatever i want. dont like that...step in line with the LS haters   im thinking it would be cool to build an LS 4wd drift car like ken blocks mustang out of a charger. yup coolness  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qanlirrRWs

[cbrestorations]

oh and yup lennards car has been vin swapped to a super rare z coded twin engine hemi car with dual gas caps per tank for each engine. at auction its going to make those hemi cuda verts look like toys. but shhhhhh....dont let anyone know its super secret

[crj1968]

If some guy smashes his Charger and finds a non titled body in wrecking yard....what happens exactly? Both cars should have been crushed?  
This is a different scenario than fraud to fake a hemi car or whatever.  The DMV doesn't give a rats ass about body stampings....only collectors do and that's where it ends.

Just what do you guys think happens when  Jeep guys buy new tubs for their CJ-5's?



... a new tub for a Bronco?
...a new cab for a pickup?  

[crj1968]

The bad part of the hobby is people swapping vins / tags and advertising a car to be a R/T or a high option car to turn a higher profit without telling the buyer. That's a big difference than one swapping vins because they found a rust free shell down south to swap all the parts from his rusted out body onto a better one. As long as the person owns both cars I don't see any harm in doing that.

Indeed and it happened all the time before people even knew about the body stamping's... Think of all the cars, from all makes,  before there were body stampings.

[Kern Dog]

Anyone claiming that "Hey, it is MY car and I'm not trying to fool anyone" needs to understand that they may not have that car as long as they think. Stuff happens. People change their minds after awhile, people get sick and die, disappear, go to jail...
The car and the mess you create may end up being someone elses problem to deal with.

[Mopar Nut]

 

[crj1968]

Anyone claiming that "Hey, it is MY car and I'm not trying to fool anyone" needs to understand that they may not have that car as long as they think. Stuff happens. People change their minds after awhile, people get sick and die, disappear, go to jail...

True, however that would require someone coming forward with a TITLE in their name matching the car. Which is why you do not get title for parts cars in wrecking yards. the reason so many race cars do not have titles or VINS

BTW there is no government record of stolen cars without 17 digit VINS.  It would be a person vs. person case in court. There are no .gov VIN police lurking around at classic car shows.