It's official! The great white is getting EFI and a manual 6 speed

[darbgnik]

What's the torque rating on those? According to the wiki article the older ones have a rating of 550 while later ones were only rated at 450. Which is odd.

The 2003 Vipers had 505hp and 525lb ft, so they should at least handle that. Many guys toss superchargers into the mix with those 345 rear section steam rollers and they seem to hold together well...
The TR6060 is a heavier duty unit, but it's also larger.

[Dino]

Excellent! Thanks for that info. I think I'll stick with a T56, it's big enough as it is.  

I just spoke to the guy local who has a 2004 trans. It's got 2K miles on it. It was replaced under warranty when it made a noise in 2nd gear. It turned out to be the master cylinder. The trans was never opened. The only thing they did was check for metal in the oil which it didn't have. He's asking $1800. Not sure what to do with this. I checked online and found that this master thing is quite common and doesn't seem to damage the gear itself, but I know nothing about these things. I guess I never know what I get when I buy a used trans.

The price isn't bad though.

[Ryan.C]

I just checked the website they have a 2004 trans with 15,500 miles for $1775 ready to go!

What's the torque rating on those? According to the wiki article the older ones have a rating of 550 while later ones were only rated at 450. Which is odd.

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[Dino]

Ok so I'm not sure what to do here. I won't be able to start all this modification for a while. Absolute best case scenario I will have some spare time during clinical rotations that start late May. But more than likely I'll still be too busy and I won't be able to touch the car until June or July of 2018. There's still a lot more to do than the trans and efi conversions as well. Some suspension work, all of the brake work, and some electrical. Not sure if I want to do the interior just yet. It's functional.

So would it be best to buy a transmission now or wait until I actually need it? The price is likely going up as time goes on but that's not always a given. What would you guys do? It'll be a bit easier to spend money after school but if the best time is now I'll certainly try to get as many parts as possible early on. The bellhousing alone has gone up a few hundred bucks in the last 2-3 years as well.

[darbgnik]

If there's no hurry, now would be a good time to window shop around the net, and see how the baseline prices go, if you keep an eye on it, a screaming deal should jump out at you, and you'll know.

[Ryan.C]

Ok so I'm not sure what to do here. I won't be able to start all this modification for a while. Absolute best case scenario I will have some spare time during clinical rotations that start late May. But more than likely I'll still be too busy and I won't be able to touch the car until June or July of 2018. There's still a lot more to do than the trans and efi conversions as well. Some suspension work, all of the brake work, and some electrical. Not sure if I want to do the interior just yet. It's functional.

So would it be best to buy a transmission now or wait until I actually need it? The price is likely going up as time goes on but that's not always a given. What would you guys do? It'll be a bit easier to spend money after school but if the best time is now I'll certainly try to get as many parts as possible early on. The bellhousing alone has gone up a few hundred bucks in the last 2-3 years as well.

Dont be in a HURRY.

My initial plan was to run a 383 W/833 I got from a friend that pulled it from a 69 roadrunner back in '86. Now I have a 440 W/T56 that I really want to run EFI in but bought the carb to soon. The EFI will have to wait until next year and that is just the drive train.

[Troy]

Just put it back together and drive it! Buy all the parts when you find good deals then tear it all down and replace things at one time. (Actually, I'd do the EFI and transmission completely separately as the EFI is likely less invasive.) It's too easy for a simple fix to turn into 5 years with the car apart and not being able to enjoy it.

Troy

[bakerhillpins]

Just put it back together and drive it! Buy all the parts when you find good deals then tear it all down and replace things at one time. (Actually, I'd do the EFI and transmission completely separately as the EFI is likely less invasive.) It's too easy for a simple fix to turn into 5 years with the car apart and not being able to enjoy it.

Troy

Sounds like that is coming from experience..   

[Dino]

You guys are right. I need to chill about this. I probably will do the EFI though as it should be an easy install, especially with the car on stands. And I don't have a carb. Aww hell, I don't know yet...

[Troy]

Just put it back together and drive it! Buy all the parts when you find good deals then tear it all down and replace things at one time. (Actually, I'd do the EFI and transmission completely separately as the EFI is likely less invasive.) It's too easy for a simple fix to turn into 5 years with the car apart and not being able to enjoy it.

Troy

Sounds like that is coming from experience..   

Um, yeah. I should have a PhD in extended projects and undrivable cars....

Troy

[Troy]

You guys are right. I need to chill about this. I probably will do the EFI though as it should be an easy install, especially with the car on stands. And I don't have a carb. Aww hell, I don't know yet...

What happened to the plastic carb? I may have some floating around but I also have a GoEFI sitting on my shelf for the last year.

Troy

[71 SE3834V]

I'm with Troy. Put that beast back together and drive it! The suspension, brakes and engine compartment has to go back together anyway.

[Dino]

I do miss driving that thing...

I could finish it as is, enjoy it for a while and then do one or both upgrades. Still doing those to be sure. I'll have to take it as it comes but yeah I'd hate to see it sit for years.

I do still have the thermoquad but it needs a rebuild bad. The fuel pump puts out too much pressure for it apparently. Maybe I can score a cheap used carb to use for a while. In the meantime I can get everything prepped for EFI.

The new cam needs to be broken in so it may be wise to bolt on a carb to do that instead of messing with a new fuel system.

But this leaves the question, buy a transmission soon or wait? I have the room to store it but if the price wouldn't change much then I'll just wait.

[Troy]

Add a fuel regulator? I have piles of parts that I bought many, many years before I needed them. Then my garage roof leaked and rusted or ruined a bunch of them. Some of the stuff I can no longer find the documentation for. It's great!

As I recall, you liked driving the car. What's the motivation for changing this stuff? The gears you currently have should allow decent highway performance - but at the expense of stoplight to stoplight performance. The EFI makes more sense as you drive it in all conditions. I'm not sure rebuilding or swapping used carbs is worth the effort if you end up with something like a GoEFI or one of the new Holley systems any way. Breaking in the cam without having to fight fuel glitches would be a smart move.

Troy

[Dino]

Leaky roofs suck!

I have a regulator, but it's a cheap Mr. Gasket regulator and I'm not even sure it works properly. I could get something decent though.

I liked my 2.96 gears until I went from a 26" to a 28" tire, so I swapped them with 3.23 gears. They are great for overall driving but yeah it's not as quick off the line as it should be. I'd like a better compromise but I do like being able to cruise around here and be at decent rpm.

Besides having the ability to run 3.55's or so, I'd also have lots of gears to do those long trips that are not so much fun with these gears. I really like the idea of running low rpm doing 85.   

But the main reason for wanting to go through al the trouble and expense is much more simple: I love driving a stick and I miss it. Whenever I take out the T/A I light up, it makes for such an improved experience. My daily is an auto as well and that's fine, but I'd much rather have my toy car have a richer driving experience.

I should be able to keep it below $2K installing Fitech and get a tank, pump, and sending unit from Tanks Inc. The install isn't that bad either. I'm just a little worried for that very first startup too break in the cam. Ideally I slap on a new carb to do all that but it may be a waste of money. I'll figure it out.

[Troy]

I have a Passon OD 4-speed. Way cheaper than what you want to do! For the bronze car I still had to buy all the other 4-speed conversion parts but I was able to get most of it used (including a barely used flywheel and 23 spline clutch) so the cost wasn't terrible. Factory fit with no cutting other than the hole in the floor. Having said that, I can cruise in the low-mid 70s in my other cars without OD. The Challenger likes 72-73 mph before the secondaries open but it has hit stretches above 100. In an effort to keep my license, I usually try to stay within 10 mph of the speed limit (which is 65-70 mph where I live). That car has been to Carlisle and Monster Mopar twice each and once to the Mopar Nationals (and Jim drove it on the Power Tour before I bought it). The Charger R/T and Barracuda both went to Monster Mopar with factory autos. I spend a large portion of time on the highway and very little time doing burnouts or hard launches.

I got the Fitech on sale, one of Redmist's pump assemblies, and a Tanks Inc tank. I have had an Edelbrock RPM Air Gap sitting around for several years that I picked up used. My total so far for the EFI is about $1,600. Still need the sending unit and fuel lines/hoses.

Troy

[Dino]

Nothing wrong with a 4 speed, and being almost bolt in is great, but I like having the extra gears. Even the 6th. The more I think about it, the more I want a T-56. When I drive the T/A I don't even use 6th unless I'll be in the freeway for a while and traffic's moving good (or is absent), but damn it's nice to have it!

That price sounds about right. My fuel lines are fairly new and alas the tank is brand new, but I need to replace my return line with a bigger one as well. I wonder if I can run two identical 3/8" lines side to side...

[Troy]

You only have 1 car to put together too! I have to make compromises if I ever want to actually get all these things done! I could easily sell 5 of them and go hog wild with the bronze 68 but there are days when I like stock, days when I like going around corners, days when I hop on the highway and drive for hours, and days when I just want to mash the pedal at every light. Plus I can't ever pick a color so I need one of each...

Troy

[Dino]

LOL

I'd say you suffer from some mental disorder...but admittedly it's too nice to have fixed.   

[WHITE AND RED 69]

My fuel lines are fairly new and alas the tank is brand new, but I need to replace my return line with a bigger one as well. I wonder if I can run two identical 3/8" lines side to side...

That's how I ran mine. Just adapted AN fittings to the steel lines to connect to the tank and throttle body.

[Dino]

Great! That solves that issue. What type of clips did you use there to secure the lines? I'm assuming you can't adapt the stock clips to accept another 3'8 line.

[WHITE AND RED 69]

Just simple line clips from Allstar performance.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/aaf-all18312

I did use some of the stock clips that ran under the rocker and but some didn't hold the 2 lines properly. I'm sure they could be modified but I used a couple zip tie in the spots where the clip wouldn't fit around the return line.

[Dino]

Excellent! Thanks Clayton! 

My wife's on board with putting the car back together with the 727 seeing it's already installed and we'd like to enjoy the car again. That alone will still take us over a year. But we may install EFI very soon thereafter anyway. I should have kept one of the Edelbrock carbs but hindsight is always 20/20.

We're also considering buying the Viper T-56 for sale locally as we believe the price will only go up over time and shipping is always expensive for a 100+ pound box. In any case, I have a huge exam tomorrow so I need to shift my focus for a while!

[Dino]

Passed one of the hardest exams I have ever taken so back on track with the car stuff!   

[Kern Dog]

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