It's official! The great white is getting EFI and a manual 6 speed

[crj1968]

Cool Dino- look forward to seeing how it turns out ! 

[Dino]

Me too!   

Work won't start for a long time to come but at least there's a plan!

[tan top]

 

[funknut]

Nice!  A T56 is a long-term goal of mine as well, but probably still several years off into the future.

EFI is higher up on the list and work will start this fall.  Definitely the top 2 remaining mods to improve drivability.

Glad you have a plan, your wife sounds like a good influence. 

[cbrestorations]

i wanted a jerico 5 speed till i saw the price...eeeshh. stuck with a jerico 4 speed for now

[71 SE3834V]

I could've saved myself a ton of work by not doing the trans but oh well. Apologies to Jeff for helping me muscle the trans in...for nothing.   

Just another day at the office!

[darbgnik]

i wanted a jerico 5 speed till i saw the price...eeeshh. stuck with a jerico 4 speed for now

What price range are they in?

[1974dodgecharger]

whats wrong with spinning 3k rpms going 80mph, lmao...come on DINO......

good choice man....on the 6 speed im getting that in also 

[timmycharger]

  Great plan Dirk!

[Dino]

My wallet disagrees...but YEAH!   

[Dino]

whats wrong with spinning 3k rpms going 80mph, lmao...come on DINO......

good choice man....on the 6 speed im getting that in also 

Sweet!   

What's the story with your engine by the way? What happened after you blew up the 383?

[BrianShaughnessy]

Congrats and good luck with the plans.   

I really loved the T56 in my 89 Formula I swapped in...    but don't have to cut up T-bar crossmembers or trans tunnels on a F-body.   

I settled on the TKO... but that was like 10 years ago now... so far so good.   Although I miss that 5th gear inbetween 4th and 6th with the TKO...  driving around 50 is semi annoying going back and forth.

Thinking about EFI myself too....

[Dino]

Congrats and good luck with the plans.   

I really loved the T56 in my 89 Formula I swapped in...    but don't have to cut up T-bar crossmembers or trans tunnels on a F-body.   

I settled on the TKO... but that was like 10 years ago now... so far so good.   Although I miss that 5th gear inbetween 4th and 6th with the TKO...  driving around 50 is semi annoying going back and forth.

Thinking about EFI myself too....

Thanks Brian!   

Are you thinking of adding EFI to cinnamon?

[BrianShaughnessy]

Congrats and good luck with the plans.   

I really loved the T56 in my 89 Formula I swapped in...    but don't have to cut up T-bar crossmembers or trans tunnels on a F-body.   

I settled on the TKO... but that was like 10 years ago now... so far so good.   Although I miss that 5th gear inbetween 4th and 6th with the TKO...  driving around 50 is semi annoying going back and forth.

Thinking about EFI myself too....

Thanks Brian!   

Are you thinking of adding EFI to cinnamon?

Next Sinnamon project is to get the AC working.  But EFI sounds awesome too

[Dino]

It's a never ending journey isn't it? 

Getting my heater and A/C working was definitely one of the highlights.   

[plumsun3]

I have a Keisler Tremec 5 spd. in my 4.10 trackpack car. Thinking of going to 3.55 because not much gap between 1st and 2nd and car has enough power through most anything.
Plans for my son's '74 Cuda will be for a Gen 3 Hemi again with the 5 speed. Don't see the need for extra gear considering complicated size difference between transmissions and even having to keep shifting.

[Dino]

I'm not opposed to a 5 speed, but I don't see anything wrong with the extra overdrive. I like being able to do 85 with 3.55 gears turning only 1800 rpm. That makes for very enjoyable long trips (which I like to do). Still, depending on ease of installation, cost, and available gear ratios I will definitely look into the 5 speed. The whole package needs to make sense. A used Viper T-56 and all the necessary parts will cost me well over $4K.

[Ryan.C]

I'm not opposed to a 5 speed, but I don't see anything wrong with the extra overdrive. I like being able to do 85 with 3.55 gears turning only 1800 rpm. That makes for very enjoyable long trips (which I like to do). Still, depending on ease of installation, cost, and available gear ratios I will definitely look into the 5 speed. The whole package needs to make sense. A used Viper T-56 and all the necessary parts will cost me well over $4K.

I paid about 3K for my T56 swap. It looks difficult but once you get going its really not bad. The hardest part for me was cutting up a clean floor.

Trans-1,500 (2004 Viper W/15K miles)
Quick Time bell housing- $550
Cross member $300
McLeod clutch $300
440 Source flywheel $100
Drive Shaft (made locally) $400

[1974dodgecharger]

whats wrong with spinning 3k rpms going 80mph, lmao...come on DINO......

good choice man....on the 6 speed im getting that in also 

Sweet!   

What's the story with your engine by the way? What happened after you blew up the 383?

complete overhaul with new magnum force front and rear setup coil overs, dana 60 custom cut, 6 piston front brakes, 4 pistons rears, 12.88inch rotors all around, getting new 18inch custom cut rims, then later this year 6 speed T56 install, then save up for the 572 HEMI with 1471 blower injected....or get a junk 440 in there and run with that for awhile.... 

[Dino]

I'm not opposed to a 5 speed, but I don't see anything wrong with the extra overdrive. I like being able to do 85 with 3.55 gears turning only 1800 rpm. That makes for very enjoyable long trips (which I like to do). Still, depending on ease of installation, cost, and available gear ratios I will definitely look into the 5 speed. The whole package needs to make sense. A used Viper T-56 and all the necessary parts will cost me well over $4K.

I paid about 3K for my T56 swap. It looks difficult but once you get going its really not bad. The hardest part for me was cutting up a clean floor.

Trans-1,500 (2004 Viper W/15K miles)
Quick Time bell housing- $550
Cross member $300
McLeod clutch $300
440 Source flywheel $100
Drive Shaft (made locally) $400

I'm not afraid of the work. I'll have to buy or rent a mig welder but that's about the only hurdle. I do hope I can keep the tunnel cutting behind the firewall. I just painted that thing!

Cost has gone up a bit since you've done this. I've only seen two transmissions and with shipping they are around $2400. And that's for a 1st gen viper. Isn't the later model a tr6060 and longer? What ratios does your trans have?
Bell housing is around $750 now, no idea on the other parts. I need pedals as well, and everything else that goes with it. A quick glance on ebay tells me the pedals are around $400. It adds up fast, but so will the smiles.   

I'm not opposed to a 5 speed, but I don't see anything wrong with the extra overdrive. I like being able to do 85 with 3.55 gears turning only 1800 rpm. That makes for very enjoyable long trips (which I like to do). Still, depending on ease of installation, cost, and available gear ratios I will definitely look into the 5 speed. The whole package needs to make sense. A used Viper T-56 and all the necessary parts will cost me well over $4K.

I paid about 3K for my T56 swap. It looks difficult but once you get going its really not bad. The hardest part for me was cutting up a clean floor.

Trans-1,500 (2004 Viper W/15K miles)
Quick Time bell housing- $550
Cross member $300
McLeod clutch $300
440 Source flywheel $100
Drive Shaft (made locally) $400

Dayum son! Are you trying to win the Cannonball? 
Good stuff, can't wait to see that build thread.   

[Ryan.C]

I don't know about winning any cannon ball races. As fun as that sounds and all. 

I picked up my trans from Don Scharf Automotive inc. Its an outfit out of Wisconsin that seems to specialize in parting out crashed Vipers. I gave them a call to get a quick price check but I guess they are on lunch. Anyway the phone number is 715-479-8597, they were very helpful and easy to work with.

I had to wait about a week before my trans shipped because they were still disassembling the crashed car. I had them put include the slave and master cyl for the clutch with all of the attached hardware they even threw in the driveshaft. All at no additional cost.

[Ryan.C]

I just checked the website they have a 2004 trans with 15,500 miles for $1775 ready to go!

[darbgnik]

Cost has gone up a bit since you've done this. I've only seen two transmissions and with shipping they are around $2400. And that's for a 1st gen viper. Isn't the later model a tr6060 and longer? What ratios does your trans have?
Bell housing is around $750 now, no idea on the other parts. I need pedals as well, and everything else that goes with it. A quick glance on ebay tells me the pedals are around $400. It adds up fast, but so will the smiles.   

Not too sure about first and second gen Vipers, but I do know the 2003-2006 Vipers have a T56, and the 2008-current Vipers have the TR6060. Under the skin, the 2008-2010 (Gen 4) are closer to the 2013 to current (Gen 5) Vipers than they are to the  2003-2006 (Gen 3). But aside from the hood, the Gen 4 looks just like the Gen 3.

[Dino]

I just checked the website they have a 2004 trans with 15,500 miles for $1775 ready to go!

What's the torque rating on those? According to the wiki article the older ones have a rating of 550 while later ones were only rated at 450. Which is odd.

[Dino]

By the way, the same seller has that same trans on ebay for $1900 + $350 for shipping. I just got a lead on one locally with low miles, but it's just the trans, nothing else. We'll see what he's asking.