Sox & Martin Superbird photos

[held1823]

saw these via facebook today

[odcics2]

Without a front spoiler, that car would be getting lift and more drag.
The front spoiler is a serious part of the entire wing car package.

[DAY CLONA]

Without a front spoiler, that car would be getting lift and more drag.
The front spoiler is a serious part of the entire wing car package.

Agreed, funny thing is when you tell people that the engineers spent more time on the front spoiler than the rear, they look at you like your nuts, but could be that Sox/Martin knew this?, and wanted lift or drag for some reason in drag strip formation

Quite a few years ago when I was down at Petty's place, I talked to Maurice Petty about the wingcar days on the track, he said at times they actually flipped the center section of the rear wing over at different tracks because the rear down force was shredding up tires, he also said because of the rear verticals on the Bird it was a bear to steer in the turns on flat cornered tracks at high speeds

[Stevearino]

Possibly they wanted the rear weight transfer being a drag car and all  .

[hemi-hampton]

Some Pics I took many years ago. LEON.

[PettyMower]

I meant to post this link earlier in the week:

http://moparadsandoddities.blogspot.com/2016/03/sox-martin-superbird-december-23-1970.html

Jay

[Redbird]

Certainly correct me if I am wrong, but every time I see a picture of Superbird in Sox & Martin livery with fender scoops (and a drivers side mirror), that is my first clue that it is a reproduction presentation. Real back in the day pictures show other differences in the car from race to race. I believe the real car was only raced 6 times as a team car.

I'm not aware of any pictures of the real car with a Superbird decal on the wing. Tribute.

[6bblgt]

Some Pics I took many years ago. LEON.

John Pappas' "tribute"

[DAY CLONA]

Certainly correct me if I am wrong, but every time I see a picture of Superbird in Sox & Martin livery with fender scoops (and a drivers side mirror), that is my first clue that it is a reproduction presentation. Real back in the day pictures show other differences in the car from race to race. I believe the real car was only raced 6 times as a team car.

I'm not aware of any pictures of the real car with a Superbird decal on the wing. Tribute.

agreed...

[PettyMower]

Look at the height of the driver's seat.....John Pappas' car.

Him and his buddies used to abuse the crap out of their Mopars, and yes, I bought the VHS tapes.

[hemi-hampton]

Some Pics I took many years ago. LEON.

John Pappas' "tribute"

Yes, it is. LEON.

[DAY CLONA]

Him and his buddies used to abuse the crap out of their Mopars

That's what they were intended for...

[odcics2]

Him and his buddies used to abuse the crap out of their Mopars

That's what they were intended for...

[taxspeaker]

Whatever happened to the Sox & Martin Superbird and the 5 and 50 Superbird?

[PettyMower]

The 5 & 50 'Bird was here in Maryland last I knew. But that's been a long time ago.

[Redbird]

Several years ago, when it was for sale, there was a large series of photographs posted on the web showing all kinds of details of the 5 & 50 car. It was a great reference for white bucket interior cars. The side photographs really showed how the rear quarter panel wheel openings were cut. The lace paint was a great way of covering things up.

I went to Aberdeen Maryland in 1979 or so and looked at the car when it was in Ken Jennings shop. The rear wheel openings were rolled on the inside instead of the 90 degree fold of the as delivered cars.

Contrary to what has been said by at least 1 person, I believe it was just delivered as a standard car. It has a late serial number. It would be interesting to know what the serial number of the S &M car was and if it was close to the 5 & 50 car. When Brendon Cook published his research on serial numbers he wrote some interesting thoughts on "runs" of cars. Given that the S &M and 5 & 50 cars were both white bucket seat interior Hemi cars they could easily have been in a run of cars. The 5 & 50 car has an unremarkable fender tag. It would be interesting to see the broadcast sheet to see if it says anything special. For instance if it was an executive ordered car.

[6bblgt]

there is a run of 6 HEMI Superbirds 0A181254 - 0A181259 - at least 3 of them are HEMI 4-speed in "blue fire metallic" with white bucket seats & no console

all 6 at Clairpointe: in & out less than 2-days with no delay between 12/11 to 12/17 - nothing out of the ordinary

RM23R0A181256 - street car in Pacific northwest
RM23R0A181257 - is Mr. 5 & 50
RM23R0A181258 - street car at B-J auction ~2007 (went to a regional manager in the Chicago area when new)

[nascarxx29]

A local friend who had passed  away .Was Fred Ristagno.He was Jack Werst crew chief.He new alot about cheater superbird modification s.I remember some solid speaker deck heavy tail lights.Engine moved .Front wheel staging.Just some I remember

[nascarxx29]

https://conceptsportcar.blogspot.com/2019/02/new-mill-cheated-too-jack-wersts-super.html?m=1

[nascarxx29]

My friend Fred Ristagno did try to buy that Superbird.But knew who did.Fred owned a authentic sox martin duster.Im sitting in

[nascarxx29]

The 5/50 superbird

[66FBCharger]

https://conceptsportcar.blogspot.com/2019/02/new-mill-cheated-too-jack-wersts-super.html?m=1

I found this links content almost impossible to read. It seems to have been translated poorly from another language.

[nascarxx29]

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=33830&page=3

[nascarxx29]

http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-factory-cheated-too-jack-wersts.html?m=1